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On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Jonnyrecco and Ziktomini were just talents amirite
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On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
I don't even. People quit the game en masse during the BL/infestor era, it's probably the one major reason the game's popularity went down the shitter.
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On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Even as a zerg player, this post is laughable. Broodlord infestor was far, far too strong. Zerg player after Zerg player will freely admit that they had more success during those days than they should have because of that composition
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On September 28 2018 10:50 Psychonian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Even as a zerg player, this post is laughable. Broodlord infestor was far, far too strong. Zerg player after Zerg player will freely admit that they had more success during those days than they should have because of that composition
Tbh you probably got trolled
Lmao Rogue didn't even make out of one of the easiest group.
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On November 23 2018 05:14 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2018 10:50 Psychonian wrote:On September 28 2018 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: The Patch-(race) talk has always been stupid. Even in the BL/Infestor era it wasn't justified at all. Terran players were shameless. I know a lot of people were calling Zerg imba those days but I honestly think it was just an excuse for people with no skill. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always won so I just don't understand why they behaved that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Even as a zerg player, this post is laughable. Broodlord infestor was far, far too strong. Zerg player after Zerg player will freely admit that they had more success during those days than they should have because of that composition Tbh you probably got trolled Lmao Rogue didn't even make out of one of the easiest group.
and got top4 in blizzcon, yet I dont see anyone coming back to this thread to say it. Seriously, I dont think any player deserves this kind of articles
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I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us?
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On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues.
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On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks.
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On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks.
No one outside the SC2 community gives a shit (are these even shared on social media or anything?) and anyone who would care to read it to begin with is already here though.
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On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? It's even worse than that. It's he won, but only won because a patch changes made him win. It's starts out with a reasonable observation that a patch may have boosted his strengths and weaknesses, but goes steadily downhill from there.
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On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. It opened the Pandorra's box of patch* naming. Used to be one of the banned things on this forum. Now it's p[ossible toi name people patch* because a TL writer did it. And that's just plainly bad. I miss the old times.
There you go, one issue.
Also it's fucking offensive to players who literally abused one fucking unit and they didn't get the same treatment earlier, but hey, Rogue, who was near the top, is a patchZerg.... fffs
Edit> some people got banned/warned when they named some players patchTerrans/patchZergs because they have risen because of certain patch updates and then they have fallen into shitty state. Rogue was at least still near the top, RO8 of Code S in this year, Blizzcon RO4 and gave the winner fair fight. But for many people he's a fucking patchZerg because TL writer named him such. It's so offensive against Rogue it's not even funny nowadays.
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On November 24 2018 02:13 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote:On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. No one outside the SC2 community gives a shit (are these even shared on social media or anything?) and anyone who would care to read it to begin with is already here though. faulty logic. anyone who spends their time authoring articles on esports is an esports journalist and is almost certainly motivated by pride to draw in views and generate discussion with their writing, and the core principle of clickbait applies whether ten people read it or ten million. you can go on youtube right now and find people who get 100 views putting clickbait in their titles.
frankly the quality of writing in these player highlight articles varies WILDLY on TL. there are some writers who have put out really thoughtful, interesting, informative stuff which i enjoyed reading on a human level. there are also other articles that reach too hard to create a sense of drama using cliches and strained narratives. so not everyone here is going to read every single article just because it's about SC2, the content of the article matters. human psychology is what it is, and a teardown of a respected player is absolutely clickbait.
not to mention that SC2 is a scene that needs to support itself. we already have to criticize players who actually do things that are wrong like match fixing, abusive chat, etc. it's absurdly self-destructive to think we need to shit on players for lesser reasons like "isn't as good in my opinion as people think he is" or "is the best player in the world and got invited to a tournament." even the way we shit on lilbow was unnecessary, he never did anything wrong.
i mean, if we don't care, we don't care. shit on anyone you want. but if we're just shitting on our own game then let's stop pretending "passion" is a thing and admit we're just playing popularity with video game nerds
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On November 25 2018 00:49 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2018 02:13 207aicila wrote:On November 24 2018 01:51 Morbidius wrote:On November 23 2018 09:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 23 2018 09:13 Shuffleblade wrote: I can appreciate a different angle compared to the "Player X has struggled for many years, fought, persevered and now finally through grit and hardwork has he achived this great victory".
Basically what this article boils down to though is, "he won but he's not really a good player" and as I said the article as such (even though I disagree with it strongly) is not bad but how it is used by others is. Posters that dislike Rogue keep coming back here everytime Rogue underachives to say "look, this article was right, Rogue is shit he just got lucky that one time".
Can we just lock this thread and leave the gloaters that thrive on Rogue fanbois tears behind us? I wish the internal conversation about this article would have been released. Because I cannot believe they wouldn't be able to foresee the issues. What issues? It generates controversy, which generates more visitors and clicks. No one outside the SC2 community gives a shit (are these even shared on social media or anything?) and anyone who would care to read it to begin with is already here though. faulty logic. anyone who spends their time authoring articles on esports is an esports journalist and is almost certainly motivated by pride to draw in views and generate discussion with their writing, and the core principle of clickbait applies whether ten people read it or ten million. you can go on youtube right now and find people who get 100 views putting clickbait in their titles. frankly the quality of writing in these player highlight articles varies WILDLY on TL. there are some writers who have put out really thoughtful, interesting, informative stuff which i enjoyed reading on a human level. there are also other articles that reach too hard to create a sense of drama using cliches and strained narratives. so not everyone here is going to read every single article just because it's about SC2, the content of the article matters. human psychology is what it is, and a teardown of a respected player is absolutely clickbait. not to mention that SC2 is a scene that needs to support itself. we already have to criticize players who actually do things that are wrong like match fixing, abusive chat, etc. it's absurdly self-destructive to think we need to shit on players for lesser reasons like "isn't as good in my opinion as people think he is" or "is the best player in the world and got invited to a tournament." even the way we shit on lilbow was unnecessary, he never did anything wrong. i mean, if we don't care, we don't care. shit on anyone you want. but if we're just shitting on our own game then let's stop pretending "passion" is a thing and admit we're just playing popularity with video game nerds
I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but your decision to start off by calling out my "faulty logic" is hilarious. How is my logic faulty? I literally said that nobody outside the SC2 community would read these articles regardless of whether they're clickbait or not, which is an objective fact.
If anything I agree that clickbait articles are bad, I was just pointing out that it's especially stupid to write them when you're in a bubble where it's impossible to expand beyond the people who will read them regardless. (I take it that the rest of your post is arguing why they're bad right? No qualms there)
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The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate
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On May 06 2021 20:57 Nakajin wrote: The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate Goes to show Zerg still hasn't been nerfed enough since that terrible patch
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On May 06 2021 20:58 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2021 20:57 Nakajin wrote: The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate Goes to show Zerg still hasn't been nerfed enough since that terrible patch Of course, they didn't touch the queen That's the culprit. IMO
But hey, I like that the official patchzerg won another title.
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I kinda miss mizenhauer. Where is he now?
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On May 06 2021 21:19 swarminfestor wrote: I kinda miss mizenhauer. Where is he now? Rogue's basement polishing his trophies?
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On May 06 2021 20:57 Nakajin wrote: The Emperor has so much clothes he's about to suffocate This bump is a massive spoiler for those who might come to TL for a stream link. I'm closing the thread for a day and then I will reopen it.
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