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On March 12 2018 17:08 holzofenbrot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 04:23 Fango wrote:On March 12 2018 04:16 pvsnp wrote: Voting will close in ~1 hour, looks like avilo made it after all
*Reaches for popcorn* Praying for an Avilo vs Risky match little bit sad about Parting not making it Kinda surprised honestly with the combination of solid current form, entertainment, (chance for even distribution of races), and nostalgia that he still lost to MMA.
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I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues?
Are people that either worship or pick on people with mental issues really a majority in the sc2 community?
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On March 12 2018 20:46 DBooN wrote: I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues? Why would you think that?
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On March 12 2018 20:39 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 17:08 holzofenbrot wrote:On March 12 2018 04:23 Fango wrote:On March 12 2018 04:16 pvsnp wrote: Voting will close in ~1 hour, looks like avilo made it after all
*Reaches for popcorn* Praying for an Avilo vs Risky match little bit sad about Parting not making it Kinda surprised honestly with the combination of solid current form, entertainment, (chance for even distribution of races), and nostalgia that he still lost to MMA. too many protosses split the votes, hero classic stats zest trap, while TY and Maru were missing
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On March 12 2018 20:49 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:46 DBooN wrote: I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues? Why would you think that? Wasn't there that whole drama where he went crazy because he thought he had a gf but didn't?
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On March 12 2018 20:49 holzofenbrot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:39 D-light wrote:On March 12 2018 17:08 holzofenbrot wrote:On March 12 2018 04:23 Fango wrote:On March 12 2018 04:16 pvsnp wrote: Voting will close in ~1 hour, looks like avilo made it after all
*Reaches for popcorn* Praying for an Avilo vs Risky match little bit sad about Parting not making it Kinda surprised honestly with the combination of solid current form, entertainment, (chance for even distribution of races), and nostalgia that he still lost to MMA. too many protosses split the votes, hero classic stats zest trap, while TY and Maru were missing Possibly. Though after the first couple of days (when I also voted for Classic first, then Zest) people really should've realized that PartinG was the only realistic option when it came to the protosses. :I
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On March 12 2018 20:54 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:49 Musicus wrote:On March 12 2018 20:46 DBooN wrote: I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues? Why would you think that? Wasn't there that whole drama where he went crazy because he thought he had a gf but didn't? Oh yeah that happened, thought you were talking about an actual medical examination though.
Anything that we know about avilo that he shows on stream or Twitter can just be an act.
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On March 12 2018 20:57 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:49 holzofenbrot wrote:On March 12 2018 20:39 D-light wrote:On March 12 2018 17:08 holzofenbrot wrote:On March 12 2018 04:23 Fango wrote:On March 12 2018 04:16 pvsnp wrote: Voting will close in ~1 hour, looks like avilo made it after all
*Reaches for popcorn* Praying for an Avilo vs Risky match little bit sad about Parting not making it Kinda surprised honestly with the combination of solid current form, entertainment, (chance for even distribution of races), and nostalgia that he still lost to MMA. too many protosses split the votes, hero classic stats zest trap, while TY and Maru were missing Possibly. Though after the first couple of days (when I also voted for Classic first, then Zest) people really should've realized that PartinG was the only realistic option when it came to the protosses. :I I just kept voting for who I wanted to vote for, regardless of the chanes of the person making it.
RIP Future and Classic
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On March 12 2018 20:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:54 DBooN wrote:On March 12 2018 20:49 Musicus wrote:On March 12 2018 20:46 DBooN wrote: I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues? Why would you think that? Wasn't there that whole drama where he went crazy because he thought he had a gf but didn't? Oh yeah that happened, thought you were talking about an actual medical examination though. Anything that we know about avilo that he shows on stream or Twitter can just be an act. I don't remember it very well, but I remember reading drastic things about the way he acted, something like crying for hours and and delusions about conspiracies against him? Seems a bit much for just an act, though maybe I'm just remembering wrongly.
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On March 12 2018 21:05 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:59 Musicus wrote:On March 12 2018 20:54 DBooN wrote:On March 12 2018 20:49 Musicus wrote:On March 12 2018 20:46 DBooN wrote: I thought avilo was confirmed to have mental issues? Why would you think that? Wasn't there that whole drama where he went crazy because he thought he had a gf but didn't? Oh yeah that happened, thought you were talking about an actual medical examination though. Anything that we know about avilo that he shows on stream or Twitter can just be an act. I don't remember it very well, but I remember reading drastic things about the way he acted, something like crying for hours and and delusions about conspiracies against him? Seems a bit much for just an act, though maybe I'm just remembering wrongly. Well I just don't think we should say he has mental issues unless we have actual proof of that. Otherwise it's just the perfect excuse for all the bullshit he pulls.
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To say he has mental issues is an insult to anyone who has mental issues. I don't think he does, He can be intelligent when he's not playing his "character".
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I know this is called 'Nation Wars', but please people, let us be a little more civil about this, ok? Else, this whole Avilo bashing is getting out of hand. Many people like him but you don't have to. Still, it is not okay to insult or attack him as a person. And it's not okay to say things like 'even if it is Avilo', as if that made it less wrong to be unfair to him. He's a normal person like we all are and he does not deserve this hate from people who don't even really know him. Mind the difference between persona and personality which he also pointed out himself earlier in this thread.
He is honestly passionate about going to NW and is popular enough to win the vote. He probably even created a portion of the hype around the event which everybody should be happy about. This is exactly how it is supposed to work. Frankly, the complaints that I would find most justifiable are by the other contenders who didn't get voted into the top three. But instead it's mostly people who are pretty much uninvolved but, ironically, all the more toxic. And I could imagine that even to the players who did make it through the voting it is probably annoying that most of the NW 'hype' is just people complaining about one particular person being voted for.
Also, if he wins a match or not is beside the point. People voted for him because they want to see him play. Probably a number of players will not win a single match; it's a completely normal thing to happen.
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On March 12 2018 21:32 showstealer1829 wrote: To say he has mental issues is an insult to anyone who has mental issues. I don't think he does, He can be intelligent when he's not playing his "character". Agreed, people just like him or dislike him for how he displays himself on stream and in the public and that's completely okay.
At the very least he put in the work to get the votes with his rap and 24 hour stream and I can respect that. The vote is just a popularity contest in the end.
I voted JonSnow, but he certainly could've done more to get more votes.
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What I find particularly entertaining about this whole thing is that the Avilo haters probably brought this on themselves. That thread on Reddit bashing him for even being in the vote for example, and Rifkin's retort to his "rap... Not to mention the other thread here about Avilo chat people using VPN to manipulate the vote... Oh and Winter's anti-Avilo campaign in his stream of course! All that stuff generated a lot of attention = a lot of PR for Avilo. Any PR is good PR. And on top of that the haters end up coming off like worse people than Avilo himself, only succeeding in generating sympathy for him instead.
Lol.
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On March 12 2018 20:13 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 18:37 Shakattak wrote:On March 12 2018 14:04 RandyLahey wrote:On March 12 2018 12:08 avilo wrote:On March 12 2018 12:00 HsDLTitich wrote: Always nice to see toxicity rewarded, well done lads! you might not wanna open your mouth too much more, you already make ESL italia look like enough of a joke and if you want me to illuminate people on IEM Katowice over a year ago i can surely do that. The event that you travelled with my gf to back then. I am most definitely sometimes jokingly toxic in-game. This differs from being a toxic person out-of-the-game, which i most definitely am not. Most people that voted for me understand this and this year in 2018 people like you are no longer going to be able to perpetuate a false image of me simply because you dislike me Also i'd like to say here, i appreciate everyone that voted for me, and that is against the true toxicity - the people in SC2 that try to be exclusive instead of inclusive. There were many people and entities that had nothing to do with Nation Wars that all attempted to rally against me for no reason - and it backfired on them gloriously, and all of you guys that voted for me gave them the finger and shut them down. You guys are all awesome What girlfriend? You never even met her. Didn't you pay $3000 to sit by a fountain and she never showed? User was banned for this post. Oh, fuck off give him a break. Why do we need to give him a break, he didn't give a break to Maria and he made her runaway from the SC2 scene with his constant stalking and harrassment. But it's nice to see that our community already forgot that and condoned his behaviour, wohoo let's go mech god!
I expected more professional behavior from you given you are an administrator for a real business. Shame on you.
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Anyone who blames the community for voting avilo (or anyone else) misses the point completely. People comparing it to voting for trump, srsly? Nationwars is entertainment first, people vote for whatever person they think will produce the most entertainment. If anything blame the system and nationwars itself, it's a popularity contest, even strengthened cause you can vote daily. If a serious competition was first priority there would be a qualifier.
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On March 12 2018 22:07 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:13 HsDLTitich wrote:On March 12 2018 18:37 Shakattak wrote:On March 12 2018 14:04 RandyLahey wrote:On March 12 2018 12:08 avilo wrote:On March 12 2018 12:00 HsDLTitich wrote: Always nice to see toxicity rewarded, well done lads! you might not wanna open your mouth too much more, you already make ESL italia look like enough of a joke and if you want me to illuminate people on IEM Katowice over a year ago i can surely do that. The event that you travelled with my gf to back then. I am most definitely sometimes jokingly toxic in-game. This differs from being a toxic person out-of-the-game, which i most definitely am not. Most people that voted for me understand this and this year in 2018 people like you are no longer going to be able to perpetuate a false image of me simply because you dislike me Also i'd like to say here, i appreciate everyone that voted for me, and that is against the true toxicity - the people in SC2 that try to be exclusive instead of inclusive. There were many people and entities that had nothing to do with Nation Wars that all attempted to rally against me for no reason - and it backfired on them gloriously, and all of you guys that voted for me gave them the finger and shut them down. You guys are all awesome What girlfriend? You never even met her. Didn't you pay $3000 to sit by a fountain and she never showed? User was banned for this post. Oh, fuck off give him a break. Why do we need to give him a break, he didn't give a break to Maria and he made her runaway from the SC2 scene with his constant stalking and harrassment. But it's nice to see that our community already forgot that and condoned his behaviour, wohoo let's go mech god! I expected more professional behavior from you given you are an administrator for a real business. Shame on you.
That doesn't answer my question. Avilo harrassed and stalked a person, to the point that she had to cut ties with everyone in this scene, and everyone is acting like that was no big deal. Shame on me for being passionate about this.
On March 12 2018 21:50 AlgeriaT wrote: What I find particularly entertaining about this whole thing is that the Avilo haters probably brought this on themselves. That thread on Reddit bashing him for even being in the vote for example, and Rifkin's retort to his "rap... Not to mention the other thread here about Avilo chat people using VPN to manipulate the vote... Oh and Winter's anti-Avilo campaign in his stream of course! All that stuff generated a lot of attention = a lot of PR for Avilo. Any PR is good PR. And on top of that the haters end up coming off like worse people than Avilo himself, only succeeding in generating sympathy for him instead.
Lol.
Untrue, Avilo was always winning the poll since the very start of the votes. If anything, people calling him out made JonSnow closer
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On March 12 2018 21:39 RaccyG wrote: I know this is called 'Nation Wars', but please people, let us be a little more civil about this, ok?
Let's not.
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On March 12 2018 22:58 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 22:07 ReachTheSky wrote:On March 12 2018 20:13 HsDLTitich wrote:On March 12 2018 18:37 Shakattak wrote:On March 12 2018 14:04 RandyLahey wrote:On March 12 2018 12:08 avilo wrote:On March 12 2018 12:00 HsDLTitich wrote: Always nice to see toxicity rewarded, well done lads! you might not wanna open your mouth too much more, you already make ESL italia look like enough of a joke and if you want me to illuminate people on IEM Katowice over a year ago i can surely do that. The event that you travelled with my gf to back then. I am most definitely sometimes jokingly toxic in-game. This differs from being a toxic person out-of-the-game, which i most definitely am not. Most people that voted for me understand this and this year in 2018 people like you are no longer going to be able to perpetuate a false image of me simply because you dislike me Also i'd like to say here, i appreciate everyone that voted for me, and that is against the true toxicity - the people in SC2 that try to be exclusive instead of inclusive. There were many people and entities that had nothing to do with Nation Wars that all attempted to rally against me for no reason - and it backfired on them gloriously, and all of you guys that voted for me gave them the finger and shut them down. You guys are all awesome What girlfriend? You never even met her. Didn't you pay $3000 to sit by a fountain and she never showed? User was banned for this post. Oh, fuck off give him a break. Why do we need to give him a break, he didn't give a break to Maria and he made her runaway from the SC2 scene with his constant stalking and harrassment. But it's nice to see that our community already forgot that and condoned his behaviour, wohoo let's go mech god! I expected more professional behavior from you given you are an administrator for a real business. Shame on you. That doesn't answer my question. Avilo harrassed and stalked a person, to the point that she had to cut ties with everyone in this scene, and everyone is acting like that was no big deal. Shame on me for being passionate about this. Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 21:50 AlgeriaT wrote: What I find particularly entertaining about this whole thing is that the Avilo haters probably brought this on themselves. That thread on Reddit bashing him for even being in the vote for example, and Rifkin's retort to his "rap... Not to mention the other thread here about Avilo chat people using VPN to manipulate the vote... Oh and Winter's anti-Avilo campaign in his stream of course! All that stuff generated a lot of attention = a lot of PR for Avilo. Any PR is good PR. And on top of that the haters end up coming off like worse people than Avilo himself, only succeeding in generating sympathy for him instead.
Lol. Untrue, Avilo was always winning the poll since the very start of the votes. If anything, people calling him out made JonSnow closer Sorry but that is actually incorrect. Avilo was clearly behind both Mcanning and JonSnow about 3-4 days ago, I believe after Winter's stream campaign. Then the VPN thread happened, people began talking about Winter's campaign, Avilo posted his rap and Rifkin replied. At that point Avilo began rising in the vote surpassing even Mccanning who I believe he had always been behind earlier.
Of course we'll never know exactly what caused what. But my bet is that the anti-Avilo campaign generated more sympathy for than against him, because people started feeling that his opposers were going too far. At least that was the case with myself.
Oh, and I just found a Reddit comment by CatZ basically agreeing with what I'm saying, well worth a read for many reasons (he has several more very good comments in the same parent thread): https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8100sx/please_dont_vote_for_avilo_to_represent_the_usa/duzwy8m/
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I mean I don't think it's good for the quality of the tournament to have guys like avilo play but then they shouldn't have done the vote system and just have some playoff matches to form teams. If the vote allows it then we shouldn't complain about the outcome of it. And it will be fun to watch that's for sure.
Also MMA hype!
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