On May 11 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:
A more realistic goal would've been masters
A more realistic goal would've been masters
You vastly overestimate NA
EU GM is tough yeah but NA is doable within a year
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Poopi
France12463 Posts
On May 11 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote: A more realistic goal would've been masters You vastly overestimate NA EU GM is tough yeah but NA is doable within a year | ||
megamanx32
16 Posts
On May 11 2018 08:08 yubo56 wrote: While it's not impossible (FlaSh won his first OSL within a year of joining a pro team), it was difficult for sure. But why be so negative about it, if they're improving and learning and having fun, who are we to tell them "I was right all along"? Setting the goal to something neither thinks they can realistically attain is also making the playing ground a bit more fair too, since one player won't feel like it's much more out of reach than the other. I see no reason to play the smartass here, and continue to wish both of them good luck at getting whatever league they're striving for, whether that be GM or diamond That is true, but just setting a goal is not enough, you need to put some effort. A little offtopic - but i know many IRL guys, good guys, that every six months proclaim I will become best at something, and then just quit even before they start... When I saw this topic I was really exited. Let's see how much someone can improve in years time, with full time job. Can you reach master league? How much would you need to play. Kinda seeing can I with full time job reach master, and still have healthy social cyrcle? | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
I think it's brave to take on a public challenge with name and face. It certainly required more effort than writing "I knew they would fail" on a forum. Our culture is one of pointing out the bad instead of the good. We never applaud people for giving up their free time to struggle up the ranks in a stressful and difficult game. We say; why would you even bother at X rank? We stay quiet and point out other people's failure as it happens just because we've experienced the same struggles and feeling of incompetence and ridiculing others for it makes ourselves seem comparatively less bad. Instead though, we could also acknowledge that Starcraft is a difficult game in which people struggle at all levels and that the victory is in engaging with that struggle. Bit of a rant, bottom line is I'm still cheering for you mMrBanshee, Schlooti and -HuShang! | ||
WayTeh
Belarus18 Posts
On May 11 2018 20:08 megamanx32 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 11 2018 08:08 yubo56 wrote: While it's not impossible (FlaSh won his first OSL within a year of joining a pro team), it was difficult for sure. But why be so negative about it, if they're improving and learning and having fun, who are we to tell them "I was right all along"? Setting the goal to something neither thinks they can realistically attain is also making the playing ground a bit more fair too, since one player won't feel like it's much more out of reach than the other. I see no reason to play the smartass here, and continue to wish both of them good luck at getting whatever league they're striving for, whether that be GM or diamond That is true, but just setting a goal is not enough, you need to put some effort. A little offtopic - but i know many IRL guys, good guys, that every six months proclaim I will become best at something, and then just quit even before they start... When I saw this topic I was really exited. Let's see how much someone can improve in years time, with full time job. Can you reach master league? How much would you need to play. Kinda seeing can I with full time job reach master, and still have healthy social cyrcle? Master with a full time job, is doable in half-year. With a proper aproach ofc. If you playing like 1.5 - 3 hours 3-4 times a week. I done it in this timeframe, i coached some guys, they did same in ~same time. Last guy i coached , reached masters in a season. but he started with some skills . I started with a 0-30 score in bronze, with 15 apm. btw. if you interested in tips how to achieve it, just PM me | ||
megamanx32
16 Posts
On May 11 2018 22:09 WayTeh wrote: Show nested quote + On May 11 2018 20:08 megamanx32 wrote: On May 11 2018 08:08 yubo56 wrote: While it's not impossible (FlaSh won his first OSL within a year of joining a pro team), it was difficult for sure. But why be so negative about it, if they're improving and learning and having fun, who are we to tell them "I was right all along"? Setting the goal to something neither thinks they can realistically attain is also making the playing ground a bit more fair too, since one player won't feel like it's much more out of reach than the other. I see no reason to play the smartass here, and continue to wish both of them good luck at getting whatever league they're striving for, whether that be GM or diamond That is true, but just setting a goal is not enough, you need to put some effort. A little offtopic - but i know many IRL guys, good guys, that every six months proclaim I will become best at something, and then just quit even before they start... When I saw this topic I was really exited. Let's see how much someone can improve in years time, with full time job. Can you reach master league? How much would you need to play. Kinda seeing can I with full time job reach master, and still have healthy social cyrcle? Master with a full time job, is doable in half-year. With a proper aproach ofc. If you playing like 1.5 - 3 hours 3-4 times a week. I done it in this timeframe, i coached some guys, they did same in ~same time. Last guy i coached , reached masters in a season. but he started with some skills . I started with a 0-30 score in bronze, with 15 apm. btw. if you interested in tips how to achieve it, just PM me I deffinetly will, thamks | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On May 11 2018 21:39 Saechiis wrote: Sadly, if you don't proclaim you're going to at least get GM, no-one will care. SC2 has a weird culture where literally only top 4 of GSL counts. If you're battling to get Diamond you must be a failure of a person (or so is the general perception). I can't help but notice how hostile the Starcraft environment is. There's this expectation for players to simply put their human baggage aside and grind it out while being constantly reminded of their "ineptitude" by people that probably don't even play Starcraft anymore. I think it's brave to take on a public challenge with name and face. It certainly required more effort than writing "I knew they would fail" on a forum. Our culture is one of pointing out the bad instead of the good. We never applaud people for giving up their free time to struggle up the ranks in a stressful and difficult game. We say; why would you even bother at X rank? We stay quiet and point out other people's failure as it happens just because we've experienced the same struggles and feeling of incompetence and ridiculing others for it makes ourselves seem comparatively less bad. Instead though, we could also acknowledge that Starcraft is a difficult game in which people struggle at all levels and that the victory is in engaging with that struggle. Bit of a rant, bottom line is I'm still cheering for you mMrBanshee, Schlooti and -HuShang! I mean yeah, good on these guys for setting goals. On the other hand I could not see myself ever hitting gm while holding a full time job. Its a struggle to just hold myself somewhere in between masters 3 and 2 with a full time job but maybe that's just me. Some people are naturally talented and will obviously be able to get a lot better results with the same time investment that those of us who have never broken into gm put into this game. But I think its important to also not be unrealistic with your goals. I Recently started running again after a long break my goal is not to be a marathon runner, not even to finish a 5k. Its to be able to do my morning 4 mile run as best as I can, no stopping, no running out of breath. I think setting extreme goals can be detrimental to your progress because not even coming close to them can cause burnout and a loss of passion. I hope these guys do make gm, I just also hope that if they don't and they get hard stuck in diamond that does not detract from the fulfillment they derive from the game. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17179 Posts
On October 25 2018 12:58 washikie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 11 2018 21:39 Saechiis wrote: Sadly, if you don't proclaim you're going to at least get GM, no-one will care. SC2 has a weird culture where literally only top 4 of GSL counts. If you're battling to get Diamond you must be a failure of a person (or so is the general perception). I can't help but notice how hostile the Starcraft environment is. There's this expectation for players to simply put their human baggage aside and grind it out while being constantly reminded of their "ineptitude" by people that probably don't even play Starcraft anymore. I think it's brave to take on a public challenge with name and face. It certainly required more effort than writing "I knew they would fail" on a forum. Our culture is one of pointing out the bad instead of the good. We never applaud people for giving up their free time to struggle up the ranks in a stressful and difficult game. We say; why would you even bother at X rank? We stay quiet and point out other people's failure as it happens just because we've experienced the same struggles and feeling of incompetence and ridiculing others for it makes ourselves seem comparatively less bad. Instead though, we could also acknowledge that Starcraft is a difficult game in which people struggle at all levels and that the victory is in engaging with that struggle. Bit of a rant, bottom line is I'm still cheering for you mMrBanshee, Schlooti and -HuShang! I mean yeah, good on these guys for setting goals. On the other hand I could not see myself ever hitting gm while holding a full time job. Its a struggle to just hold myself somewhere in between masters 3 and 2 with a full time job but maybe that's just me. Some people are naturally talented and will obviously be able to get a lot better results with the same time investment that those of us who have never broken into gm put into this game. But I think its important to also not be unrealistic with your goals. I Recently started running again after a long break my goal is not to be a marathon runner, not even to finish a 5k. Its to be able to do my morning 4 mile run as best as I can, no stopping, no running out of breath. I think setting extreme goals can be detrimental to your progress because not even coming close to them can cause burnout and a loss of passion. I hope these guys do make gm, I just also hope that if they don't and they get hard stuck in diamond that does not detract from the fulfillment they derive from the game. You know 4 miles is more than 5k, right? | ||
washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 25 2018 20:17 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2018 12:58 washikie wrote: On May 11 2018 21:39 Saechiis wrote: Sadly, if you don't proclaim you're going to at least get GM, no-one will care. SC2 has a weird culture where literally only top 4 of GSL counts. If you're battling to get Diamond you must be a failure of a person (or so is the general perception). I can't help but notice how hostile the Starcraft environment is. There's this expectation for players to simply put their human baggage aside and grind it out while being constantly reminded of their "ineptitude" by people that probably don't even play Starcraft anymore. I think it's brave to take on a public challenge with name and face. It certainly required more effort than writing "I knew they would fail" on a forum. Our culture is one of pointing out the bad instead of the good. We never applaud people for giving up their free time to struggle up the ranks in a stressful and difficult game. We say; why would you even bother at X rank? We stay quiet and point out other people's failure as it happens just because we've experienced the same struggles and feeling of incompetence and ridiculing others for it makes ourselves seem comparatively less bad. Instead though, we could also acknowledge that Starcraft is a difficult game in which people struggle at all levels and that the victory is in engaging with that struggle. Bit of a rant, bottom line is I'm still cheering for you mMrBanshee, Schlooti and -HuShang! I mean yeah, good on these guys for setting goals. On the other hand I could not see myself ever hitting gm while holding a full time job. Its a struggle to just hold myself somewhere in between masters 3 and 2 with a full time job but maybe that's just me. Some people are naturally talented and will obviously be able to get a lot better results with the same time investment that those of us who have never broken into gm put into this game. But I think its important to also not be unrealistic with your goals. I Recently started running again after a long break my goal is not to be a marathon runner, not even to finish a 5k. Its to be able to do my morning 4 mile run as best as I can, no stopping, no running out of breath. I think setting extreme goals can be detrimental to your progress because not even coming close to them can cause burnout and a loss of passion. I hope these guys do make gm, I just also hope that if they don't and they get hard stuck in diamond that does not detract from the fulfillment they derive from the game. You know 4 miles is more than 5k, right? Oops a typo ment 2 miles or about 3 kilometers yeah lol I'm not in shape enough to do 4 miles. | ||
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