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As I stated in an earlier post, my biggest question for Starcraft II is its effect on the pro-gaming environment. Obviously, South Korea is the uncontested mecca of Starcraft and Koreans pretty much own this game, but this was not always the case. In the earlier days of SC, we've certainly seen many non-Koreans at the top. Some may say it's because the game wasn't yet mature and many strategies and in-game concepts were not yet pioneered while I personally believe it was because there was more interest in the game in other nations at the time. Whatever the case, it's clear that South Korea has dominated Starcraft on the competetive level for the past several years at least. Because of this, many Koreans believe that they have some sort of innate talent for gaming, but if you look at other games, this is clearly not the case.
What will SCII mean for Korean pro-gaming? Will they embrace the new game or will they continue to cling to the Brood War that they currently dominate? With all gamers (current pro-gamers included) starting off at square 1 with this game, will we see South Korea once again rise to the top of Starcraft II as they did with its predecessor? Or will we see enough interest in foreign communities to challenge and surpass the Koreans? Can Starcraft II succeed and generate enough interest outside of Korea in countries that seem to be tied to FPS and MMORPG games? Will it be able to revive an interest in RTS that has somewhat died out in recent years? Your predictions.
Will Koreans eventually rise to the top? Will non-Koreans surpass Koreans in this new game? Or will the competetive end-game be a level playing field?
Poll: Will Koreans rise to the top of Starcraft II competition? (Vote): Yes, Koreans will be at the top. (Vote): No single nation will dominate. (Vote): No, Foreigners will be at the top.
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It depends, on a lot of things.
First of all, we do not know if the game is going to change the cooldown of units, the costs, and so many things could go wrong/right and that is one of the things that Koreans, progamers, and no-progamers are waiting to know. MAYBE, this is the time for the foreign scene to climb up, and as soon as the game goes beta public or something, we need to get the hype of the game, and learn it to it peak.
We need to wait a bit, I'd love to see foreigners to climb up, as a lot did with WC3.
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I can't really say yet, no idea, but I think many koreans will be motivated to try getting good at this game since the first is so famous. So voted for them.
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If the koreans do switch to SC2, they'll quickly rise above the rest of the world due to the optimal gaming conditions they have. Practicing 14 hours a day > practicing 4 hours a day.
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It's just a matter of who has the most motivation to become good, Starcraft was/is extremely popular in Korea and it's only natural that they are at the top right now with progaming and everything.
I mean they are not superhumans who are born with a superior RTS skill.
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Considering the extreme theorycrafting that is already going on, I have no doubt that when it comes out there will be 53153626 different strategies and things will evolve quickly...more quickly than Starcraft: Brood War. The Koreans may not rise initially...but they will eventually.
I wonder how the Korean progamers at WWI reacted to what they saw from Starcraft II?
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On May 19 2007 09:41 TheOvermind77 wrote: I wonder how the Korean progamers at WWI reacted to what they saw from Starcraft II?
I'm curious about that too.
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Sweden33719 Posts
It seems likely that they will definitely be the first dominant nation (maaaaaaaybe china due the sheer size of that country and the recent surge of esports popularity there) since it's the only country with an already established progaming scene.
There'll be a lot more room for talented non-koreans tho, and perhaps a lot more support as well.
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Belgium9937 Posts
i think it will be kind of like the WC3 scene
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koreans, sc2 is going to be the same. after all, koreans are already owning up starcraft with about 10 hours of practice everyday with the best players in teh world, they can easily use their broodwar skills and get away with it after playing for a bit
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hm it will depend if SC2 is as much of a success in korea and competitive as SC was. Koreans will be no doubt GOOD at the game, but to be on top of all other nations its necessary that the game is as loved as original by the people.
war 3 taught us that.
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if they influence a proleauge for sc2, then yes obviously koreans will have a legup, but if they don't then no single nation will dominate. I seriously hope they don't have proleauges for sc2 so the game is more equalised amongst the nations, and would make it less competitive and more enjoyable.
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On May 19 2007 09:58 RaGe wrote: i think it will be kind of like the WC3 scene
What is the wc3 scene?? :p
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Theyll maintain separate leagues obviously.
Progaming took at least half a decade of development/balances to be where it is at now, SC2 will take just as long if not more to be anywhere near the balance and depth for people to seriously follow it as an alternate. WC3 leagues are more or less dead in Korea because the game didnt hold up to the strategic expectations, lets hope SC2 will.
Would be awesome if BW and SC2 become as popular as each other, it would create another pillar in the progaming industry.
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I think that people , that are saying that koreans will dominate, are wrong. You must understand, why they train more than rest of the world. Because unlike all others, they can be paid for playing. Who will give you more than stupid 50$ per month now for playing BW? Nearly no one because it's old game and sponsors aren't interested in old games. But when SC2 will arise with all flashy stuff and sexyness, you can bet that 53270895 producers of hardware will sponsor it and its' team in europe and U.S. that means that there will be motivation as is now in Korea.
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On May 19 2007 10:34 PetrBlaha wrote: I think that people , that are saying that koreans will dominate, are [b]wrong[b/]. You must understand, why they train more than rest of the world. Because unlike all others, they can be paid for playing. Who will give you more than stupid 50$ per month now for playing BW? Nearly no one because it's old game and sponsors aren't interested in old games. But when SC2 will arise with all flashy stuff and sexyness, you can bet that 53270895 producers of hardware will sponsor it and its' team in europe and U.S. that means that there will be motivation as is now in Korea.
But an E-sports environment and infrastructure is already up in Korea, so by your logic, the Koreans will still do better.
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I just hope the game could be as competitive as the last Starcraft
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Koreans accept the game better. Brood War was released around the world at the same time, so why did it become an E-sport in Korea but no where else? Korea just recognizes Starcraft more than the rest of the world. IMO Koreans will still reign supreme when SC2 gets on the shelves.
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On May 19 2007 10:38 LetMeBeWithYou wrote: I just hope the game could be as competitive as the last Starcraft
Lets also hope, that it will be viewable. One of the biggest problems stated for WC3 is that watching vod feeds on the internet, when all the spells and flashes start going, someone who isnt competent at wc3 has no idea what is going on, and indeed feels lost. Hopefully they'll tone down the distracting spell effects for clear cut (yet still special) effects.
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i dont know... but if u look at WC3, and Supreme command and more of those 3D RTS mostly the non koreans are better in these games, but after all....this is starcraft so it means:
Starcraft = Most populair game in Korea Korea = Country of the online games Koreans = takes games a step further then the most non-korean peoples
so its a hard discision
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The only reason korea is at the top of pro-sc gaming is because Korea was the only country that really clinged to the game and made such a industry for it. The reason korea is on top is because of lack of competition. I am pretty sure that when SC2 is released worldwide. It will appeal to people from all over the globe and koreans will have a big run for their money from new pro players from western countries.
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More ways for Casy to get raped in TvP LOL
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Korean is the strongest country at starcraft and WC3. If SC2 is a good competitive game, Korean players will sure be at the top once again.
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On May 19 2007 10:58 Devon_Legrion wrote: The only reason korea is at the top of pro-sc gaming is because Korea was the only country that really clinged to the game and made such a industry for it. The reason korea is on top is because of lack of competition. I am pretty sure that when SC2 is released worldwide. It will appeal to people from all over the globe and koreans will have a big run for their money from new pro players from western countries. I only remotely agree with you, it's true that there's almost no competition (China) but I'm pretty sure Korea or Japan would have come out on the top anyway. It's about those guys mentality to train, to go for wins, to fight. Alot of passionate StarCraft players aren't able to play the game as much as Korean progamers do. In the past we had such passionate players, they moved out to Korea but some couldn't get themselves to play StarCraft for 8hours+ every day just to stay ahead in a game. However there will ALWAYS be indivduals who are going for that top spot, no matter where they're from or how old they are.
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why would japan come out on top? they're not heavily into pc games.
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Depends, on how the pro scene take it. A lot was said for WC3, but look what happened there.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 19 2007 11:00 NpG)Explosive wrote: Korean is the strongest country at starcraft and WC3. If SC2 is a good competitive game, Korean players will sure be at the top once again. +They have that Dawn of War/War3 pro.. What's his ID again? Tech.. something? Ugh can't remember, but I'm pretty sure he's an ex War3 pro that has now won WCG in Dawn of war 2 years straight.
Only the screenshots. Ingame looks great=]
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Koreans will be (at least) among the top.. sc: total dominance dow: don't know much about it, but they're there war3: there is no dominance, but there have several S class korean gamer
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cant wait to 3v3BGH at sc2!!!!
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Like some people mentioned already, while foreigners , with their 'larger population' compared to the Koreans may initially be at the top, that is it. You have to remember that the mindset is completely different in Korean compared to other parts of the world. Gaming is accepted, progamers practice 10 hours a day, yadda yadda. There's a dedication barriers that foreigners would not be able to overcome. Now, if there is mass interest initially and enough foreigners decides to move to Korea, then, just maybe, we will see some 'blue eyed players'. Overall however, it will still be Koreans dominating.
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I think the bigger issue at hand is how it will affect the current existing Brood War pro gaming scene. Someone mentioned two separate leagues, but I think it's hard to say for the time being. By the time it comes out, BW will be at least 11 years old probably. It will be an old game, most old timers are now slumping, etc. So then comes a new game, fresh w/ opportunity to learn, exploit, abuse, master. No doubt, SC2 will spawn a new generation of pro gamers, but it might also steal from the bw scene in more ways than one. I just hope SC2 doesn't end up being a war3-like flop, but also in the process, ruin the existing bw circuit.
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I have a feeling we're going to see more pro gaming in the US in future years. Perhaps SC2 will be the trigger of that, as SC was the trigger for progaming in Korea.
But yeah no doubt koreans will dominate SC2 as they did the first one.
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korean will ownz if the games need 2930293023amount of skiilz like starcraft
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lol, stubby blades.
havn't pro gamers been hired to ensure good multiplayer?
so i'd say this means alot for pro gaming
but to be so short sighted as to say that koreans will dominate?
its a whole new ballfield.
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On May 19 2007 11:48 PissedOffEmo wrote: cant wait to 3v3BGH at sc2!!!!
or maybe even 3v3 ZERO clutter!!~~
T T T T T T T anyone??
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I wonder what it would be like for broodwar community if lots of the Pro-gamers switch to starcraft 2. Might not be enough good players to keep the 'sport' running professionally on tv anymore.
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On May 19 2007 13:16 CharlieMurphy wrote: I wonder what it would be like for broodwar community if lots of the Pro-gamers switch to starcraft 2. Might not be enough good players to keep the 'sport' running professionally on tv anymore.
There has always been more than enough Starcraft Pros, and I don't think the best SC progamers will risk jeopardizing their status by switching to a new game that they might not be as dominant in.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
yeah, you nailed it
starcraft is a job for them, and the guys who are most successful wouldnt dream of switching to a different game just cuz its 'starcraft 2'
what they do is play starcraft. they will probably all play sc2 in their time off but they are SC players until the scene goes under because thats their paycheck
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On May 19 2007 13:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yeah, you nailed it
starcraft is a job for them, and the guys who are most successful wouldnt dream of switching to a different game just cuz its 'starcraft 2'
what they do is play starcraft. they will probably all play sc2 in their time off but they are SC players until the scene goes under because thats their paycheck
yea so true. When sc2 gets refined and is really competitive, and blizzard hopefully working with kespa, etc etc - the paychecks from the sponsors would want sc2 games.
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Progamers are already testing Starcraft 2 to make it balanced.. so guess who will be good @ Starcraft 2 ;D
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From IGN
Many of the questions tossed at the panel revolved around further popularizing StarCraft's appeal to professional gamers, and popularizing the "sport" in parts of the world other than Korea. Blizzard had mentioned there may be a deal forthcoming regarding broadcasting their games on television in North America.
I wonder who Blizzard plans to make the deal with. Maybe DirecTV?
It'd also be interesting to know which professional gamers Blizzard has been working with on balancing SC2; are they Korean or not?(also in the IGN article).
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On May 19 2007 13:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yeah, you nailed it
starcraft is a job for them, and the guys who are most successful wouldnt dream of switching to a different game just cuz its 'starcraft 2'
what they do is play starcraft. they will probably all play sc2 in their time off but they are SC players until the scene goes under because thats their paycheck
yea but what if there is more money to be made in SC2 ?
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It still doesn't change the fact that advertisers will be flocking to get some money out of it, right now and pre/post launch chaos that SC2' name is money potential just by attention alone.
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Oh Boy. I know it's risky for me to bump this, so hopefully I can justify my reason here. I was curious to see how the community was reacting to SC2 as it was being released. While this thread didn't make it that far in terms of discussion--it still provides some cool examples of what people were thinking about pro-gaming for SC2.
It seems a majority of people were right. However, isn't it pretty awesome to see the expectations of SC2 (especially the pro scene and eSports in general) be met and exceeded in such an explosive fashion?
I especially enjoyed this exchange:
On May 19 2007 15:20 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2007 13:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yeah, you nailed it
starcraft is a job for them, and the guys who are most successful wouldnt dream of switching to a different game just cuz its 'starcraft 2'
what they do is play starcraft. they will probably all play sc2 in their time off but they are SC players until the scene goes under because thats their paycheck yea but what if there is more money to be made in SC2 ?
I just found this discussion really interesting to see and I think a lot of others would want to take a gander too. Please don't hate me for bumping :-/
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On May 19 2007 09:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote: It seems likely that they will definitely be the first dominant nation (maaaaaaaybe china due the sheer size of that country and the recent surge of esports popularity there) since it's the only country with an already established progaming scene.
There'll be a lot more room for talented non-koreans tho, and perhaps a lot more support as well.
Jinro so perceptive so early. This really describes the modern scene perfectly--Korea dominant, China possibly rising (Stars War results, anyone?) but lots of options for talented foreigners, with extra support including team houses.
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The koreans just has better work ethics. Enough of these posts already? A new post about these things are created every day.
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On June 22 2011 04:16 DaBoxX wrote: The koreans just has better work ethics. Enough of these posts already? A new post about these things are created every day.
lol.. totally over your head I guess. This was bumped from 4 years ago to show the perspective of people before the release.
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