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On June 18 2018 05:39 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I don't want to make a full thread until the finals are over because I don't want to count Zest out, but I think Maru has been playing the best SC2 I've ever seen from the past GSL through now. I've been watching since Nestea vs. Inca in the finals, and this is as good as it gets. Early-game, mid-game, late-game, micro, macro, decision-making, build orders, he's just on the highest possible level. Better than MVP, better than Inno, better than Life, better than anyone. They just nerfed the raven because of him! And he's still winning everything! Amazing.
They didn't nerf the Raven because of him. The nerfed the Raven because in its previous iteration it was a unit that led to absolutely unpleasant games both to watch and to play. That was not a decision of balance but of design and that has nothing to do with Maru. We have seen other players do the same thing before he did and while certainly to a less successful extent, definitely not to a less extreme.
You can go ahead and make fanboy thread after the finals in case he dominates that one.
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On June 18 2018 15:39 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2018 05:39 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I don't want to make a full thread until the finals are over because I don't want to count Zest out, but I think Maru has been playing the best SC2 I've ever seen from the past GSL through now. I've been watching since Nestea vs. Inca in the finals, and this is as good as it gets. Early-game, mid-game, late-game, micro, macro, decision-making, build orders, he's just on the highest possible level. Better than MVP, better than Inno, better than Life, better than anyone. They just nerfed the raven because of him! And he's still winning everything! Amazing. They didn't nerf the Raven because of him. The nerfed the Raven because in its previous iteration it was a unit that led to absolutely unpleasant games both to watch and to play. That was not a decision of balance but of design and that has nothing to do with Maru. We have seen other players do the same thing before he did and while certainly to a less successful extent, definitely not to a less extreme. You can go ahead and make fanboy thread after the finals in case he dominates that one. Maru was certainly the first player to do anything special with mass ravens though. On the big stage that is. His lategame was almost unbeaten before the nerf.
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Belgica34430 Posts
Zest won't stand a chance
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If Zest has a good day he can beat anyone. But yeah Maru now is favoured over everyone.
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Where are those butt-munchers posting "congrats to Classic for his new GSL title"?, he was absolutely destroyed. Can we make it official and say that Maru is the best player in the world?.
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The game needs someone like Maru to dominate everyone to create excitement and bring in more fans to the game. If Maru loses to Zest in the finals and fizzes out for the rest of the year, then it'll just be business as usual and the game will continue to bleed what fans it has left.
I think Artosis was TOTALLY wrong to downplay Maru in his commentary to hype the GSL Finals. He was trying HARD to fabricate exactly what he said he wasn't doing... to play up the ONE match that is the GSL Finals. Granted it IS an important match, but the game will be much better served to play up just how dominant Maru's abilities and skills are compared to the rest of the field. We need to hope Maru becomes the next Tiger Woods, Federer (or Flash!) to keep SC2 going!
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IMO it mostly depends on whether Zest can figure out how to fight new old Bio
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On June 17 2018 09:38 dummy1 wrote: I don't think Classic played horribly at all. No. He played very well. I just think Classic's decision making could have been better, but Maru being Maru. He was better in everything. Split's army and ghost's micro were on the top.
Also, in my opinion... Zest has a weak chin at macro games.
They say that so it becomes very clear that Maru won even though T is obviously the worse and underpowered race and Maru still won. Still won!
On June 19 2018 06:58 KaiserCommander wrote: Where are those butt-munchers posting "congrats to Classic for his new GSL title"?, he was absolutely destroyed. Can we make it official and say that Maru is the best player in the world?.
(read above again why this was written)
Sure, just together with all the other terrran players like MvP, Innovation, flash, teaja.
I mean it is obvious that anyone that doesn't play terran could never legitimately become best player of the world. Lets see which terran becomes next best player of the world. Very curious myself.
Terran has a along history of best players of the world, while it is the most UP race ever, and while no player of any other race has ever become best player of the world. Makes sense!
Lets look back a bit:
While T was very UP in the beginning, and players like fruitdealer, nestea or some protosses won GSLs out of race superiority, MVP was the best player in the world - obvious is obvious.
Later on when life abused his race to death, Innovation + Taeja became best players of the world to stop him from gaining that title. When SOS or any other non terran won anything, it was luck and all-in and only $0$-money driven, but not well played and not at all best player of the world.
Lately Innovation stayed best player of the world, even though he didn't show it, everyone knew he still is best player of the world.
Until now that luckily Maru takes over and is best player of the world.
Ohh and flash - while all dat - he ofc was best player of the world all the time anyway, was just misunderstood.
Dudes, this sounds funny, but it is for real what 70%+ of TL staff and +/-100% of terran players on TL believe for real. For real.
And whenever there is a phase of the game when anyone else could scratch to get that title, they release articles like ZvP craft, put them into bad light and explain in detail why and how they could win without having any skill at all and it is not likely to be repeated.
Ohhhhh lets not forget about polt_prime, best foreigner ever. As noone that is anything but terran player can ever be best player and noone of the foreign scene was able to get that title, they unceremoniously made polt a foreigner, so that a terran could be best foreigner.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 19 2018 20:48 LSN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2018 09:38 dummy1 wrote: I don't think Classic played horribly at all. No. He played very well. I just think Classic's decision making could have been better, but Maru being Maru. He was better in everything. Split's army and ghost's micro were on the top.
Also, in my opinion... Zest has a weak chin at macro games. They say that so it becomes very clear that Maru won even though T is obviously the worse and underpowered race and Maru still won. Still won! Show nested quote +On June 19 2018 06:58 KaiserCommander wrote: Where are those butt-munchers posting "congrats to Classic for his new GSL title"?, he was absolutely destroyed. Can we make it official and say that Maru is the best player in the world?. (read above again why this was written) Sure, just together with all the other terrran players like MvP, Innovation, flash, teaja. I mean it is obvious that anyone that doesn't play terran could never legitimately become best player of the world. Lets see which terran becomes next best player of the world. Very curious myself. Terran has a along history of best players of the world, while it is the most UP race ever, and while no player of any other race has ever become best player of the world. Makes sense! Lets look back a bit: While T was very UP in the beginning, and players like fruitdealer, nestea or some protosses won GSLs out of race superiority, MVP was the best player in the world - obvious is obvious. Later on when life abused his race to death, Innovation + Taeja became best players of the world to stop him from gaining that title. When SOS or any other non terran won anything, it was luck and all-in and only $0$-money driven, but not well played and not at all best player of the world. Lately Innovation stayed best player of the world, even though he didn't show it, everyone knew he still is best player of the world. Until now that luckily Maru takes over and is best player of the world. Ohh and flash - while all dat - he ofc was best player of the world all the time anyway, was just misunderstood. Dudes, this sounds funny, but it is for real what 70%+ of TL staff and +/-100% of terran players on TL believe for real. For real. And whenever there is a phase of the game when anyone else could scratch to get that title, they release articles like ZvP craft, put them into bad light and explain in detail why and how they could win without having any skill at all. Ohhhhh lets not forget about polt_prime, best foreigner ever. As noone that is anything but terran player can ever be best player and noone of the foreign scene was able to get that title, they unceremoniously made polt a foreigner, so that a terran could be best foreigner.
Where did the Terran touch you?
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You get me wrong mate, we all know the best players of the world:
flash - mvp - innovation - taeja - innovation - and now maru.
That's how it is. Truth has been spoken.
Does anyone else come to your mind who has ever been best player of the world? Did I forget any terran player?
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On June 19 2018 21:36 LSN wrote: You get me wrong mate, we all know the best players of the world:
falsh - mvp - innovation - taeja - innovation - and now maru.
That's how it is. Truth has been spoken.
Does anyone else come to your mind who has ever been best player of the world?
Byun ofc.
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Shame on me. How can I make up for that in a human lifetime?
Would you accept a few articles written by me during hours of humility about terran = best race of the world?
Fuck, you got that already, I am ashamed to admit that I cannot offer anything to you tha you need and have to live forever with the crime that I have committed.
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On June 19 2018 21:44 LSN wrote: Shame on me, how can I make up for that in a human lifetime? Not posting anymore would be a good start
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Austria24413 Posts
Can you name the 70% of our staff who are Terran biased? I'll personally remove them.
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So 70% of the staff is fan of Starcraft ?
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I don`t even want to start this.. but we never really had a best foreigner terran contender. We had the spoon terran for a little period and Jinro, that is all, but I think it was always P or Z in non korea region. Think: Idra, Huk, Stephano, Naniwa, Neeb (who switched from Terran), Scarllet, Serral. <- not that many terrans. Also you (LSN) sound angry, but for example Life was up there as the best foreign player durring his peek. Flash never was best SC2 player, only Terrans who can touch that title so far are MVP, Innovation and maybe Maru if he will continue winning more stuff this year.
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Only players who were uncontested best players so far were imo Mvp, Inno, Zest, Life, Rogue and now Maru. Maybe also MC, NesTea, Dear, Dark or Byun (not 100% sure about them. That's 4T 4Z and 3P.
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It depends what you count as best in the world. Plenty of players have been considered the #1 for relatively short periods of time (Stats, Classic, sOs, ByuN, Rogue, Dear being examples).
Mvp, NesTea, Zest, Inno, Maru, Life seem like the obvious GOATs but a lot of them still had competition.
I'd still argue soO is the closest thing to a bonjwa we've had in sc2.
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sad about soo getting eliminated early but cheering for maru is the next best thing! GET EM!!!!!
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On June 20 2018 23:12 Fango wrote: It depends what you count as best in the world. Plenty of players have been considered the #1 for relatively short periods of time (Stats, Classic, sOs, ByuN, Rogue, Dear being examples).
Mvp, NesTea, Zest, Inno, Maru, Life seem like the obvious GOATs but a lot of them still had competition.
I'd still argue soO is the closest thing to a bonjwa we've had in sc2. Just a consensus in the community that the player is the clear #1 without it being really arguable. I don't think that was ever the case for sOs due to his inconsistency. Classic had a sick winrate early this year but it didn't translate into any tournament wins so I don't think you could call him the definitive 1. But you're right with Stats, when he won his GSL he really was on top of the world.
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