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On September 28 2018 22:54 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2018 16:20 Phredxor wrote:On September 28 2018 11:19 KR_4EVR wrote:On September 28 2018 04:58 Phredxor wrote:On September 28 2018 03:14 kajtarp wrote: Why does most people assume soO automatically will beat Dark? He lost to him in like 3 consecutive korean tournament last year. This year he lost to him in GSL S1 2-0. He played Impact twice once at IEM Qualy once in GSL and it was 1-2 and 2-1. Hes not the ZvZ god he used to be. Plus his TvZ aint that scary Bunny has a decent chance against him. People still think soO is good for some reason. He netted $140K at Blizzcon alone last year. How much have you made off Starcraft in your entire life? Edit: The original comment asks why people assume soO will beat Dark. The answer is simple: soO's roach vs. roach is the best in the world - or at least has been for quite some time. Good one. People don't expect me to beat Dark. Wait you were serious? Dark, Serral, soO, and Rogue are the top zergs right now. They are fairly even in skill. The fact that soO has lose to Dark doesn't change that - they are in the same skill bracket. Not this year
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On September 28 2018 22:54 kallagen wrote: TY, why??? How can it's possible? =\ TY either doesn't qualify for Super Tournaments, or when he does, he plays below his level. At other tournaments (IEM, Code S, prolly Blizzcon) he plays better. That's just how it is.
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Amazing that Solar has a good shot.
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Oh look I was right about soO.
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Q: Were the Classic/Fantasy games any good?
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On September 29 2018 19:41 veniss wrote: Q: Were the Classic/Fantasy games any good? + Show Spoiler +Not really, way too one sided. You are better off watching TY vs Creator.
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From elsewhere, the current standings for Blizzcon going into tomorrow:
On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY.
Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar.
Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue.
Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue.
1-3 are now locked in, Dark is the only one who can climb higher from within the top 8. If he wins the SF, he doesn't gain anything, if he wins overall, he moves up to 4th. Therefore, there are only 2 scenarios for 1-7, and only two options for 8th.
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On September 29 2018 22:25 Yonnua wrote:From elsewhere, the current standings for Blizzcon going into tomorrow: Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY.
Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar.
Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue.
Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. 1-3 are now locked in, Dark is the only one who can climb higher from within the top 8. If he wins the SF, he doesn't gain anything, if he wins overall, he moves up to 4th. Therefore, there are only 2 scenarios for 1-7, and only two options for 8th. Actually TY is locked 4th, he just for some reason does not have the 225 points for ST2 in the standings on liquipedia. So Dark can only get 5th at best
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On September 29 2018 23:07 TrashPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 22:25 Yonnua wrote:From elsewhere, the current standings for Blizzcon going into tomorrow: On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY.
Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar.
Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue.
Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. 1-3 are now locked in, Dark is the only one who can climb higher from within the top 8. If he wins the SF, he doesn't gain anything, if he wins overall, he moves up to 4th. Therefore, there are only 2 scenarios for 1-7, and only two options for 8th. Actually TY is locked 4th, he just for some reason does not have the 225 points for ST2 in the standings on liquipedia. So Dark can only get 5th at best
He doesn't get the points- he didn't win any matches in Super Tournament or in qualifying for the ST (because he automatically qualified through GSL). He and Maru only got the points if they won their first match. Because TY didn't, he doesn't get any points from ST.
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On September 29 2018 23:09 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 23:07 TrashPanda wrote:On September 29 2018 22:25 Yonnua wrote:From elsewhere, the current standings for Blizzcon going into tomorrow: On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY.
Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar.
Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue.
Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. 1-3 are now locked in, Dark is the only one who can climb higher from within the top 8. If he wins the SF, he doesn't gain anything, if he wins overall, he moves up to 4th. Therefore, there are only 2 scenarios for 1-7, and only two options for 8th. Actually TY is locked 4th, he just for some reason does not have the 225 points for ST2 in the standings on liquipedia. So Dark can only get 5th at best He doesn't get the points- he didn't win any matches in Super Tournament or in qualifying for the ST (because he automatically qualified through GSL). He and Maru only got the points if they won their first match. Because TY didn't, he doesn't get any points from ST. Oh, my mistake then
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On September 29 2018 23:10 TrashPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 23:09 Yonnua wrote:On September 29 2018 23:07 TrashPanda wrote:On September 29 2018 22:25 Yonnua wrote:From elsewhere, the current standings for Blizzcon going into tomorrow: On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY.
Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar.
Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue.
Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. 1-3 are now locked in, Dark is the only one who can climb higher from within the top 8. If he wins the SF, he doesn't gain anything, if he wins overall, he moves up to 4th. Therefore, there are only 2 scenarios for 1-7, and only two options for 8th. Actually TY is locked 4th, he just for some reason does not have the 225 points for ST2 in the standings on liquipedia. So Dark can only get 5th at best He doesn't get the points- he didn't win any matches in Super Tournament or in qualifying for the ST (because he automatically qualified through GSL). He and Maru only got the points if they won their first match. Because TY didn't, he doesn't get any points from ST. Oh, my mistake then
The principle is that you need to earn all the points you get- TY's method of qualification already gave him points, so he doesn't also earn the points that the other earned through the qualifying bracket. If he won a match in ST, he would have earned his place there and therefore would get the full point score (like Maru did).
It's a very niche rule because usually GSL finalists are able to win in the first round anyway.
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If Dark wins this tournament then GL to Serral lol.
I guess foreigner fans can find solace in the fact that if Dark wins Neeb gets Zest instead of TY in his group. But Zest sometimes plays up to his skill ceiling so while it's more comforting to get him it doesn't really promise anything. You could still get bopped.
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On September 29 2018 20:28 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 19:41 veniss wrote: Q: Were the Classic/Fantasy games any good? + Show Spoiler +Not really, way too one sided. You are better off watching TY vs Creator. Pity. Thanks.
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On September 30 2018 00:57 Rodya wrote: If Dark wins this tournament then GL to Serral lol.
I guess foreigner fans can find solace in the fact that if Dark wins Neeb gets Zest instead of TY in his group. But Zest sometimes plays up to his skill ceiling so while it's more comforting to get him it doesn't really promise anything. You could still get bopped.
Neeb gets TY- at least it's someone he's had lots of experience practising for and who he's played against on the biggest stage. Hopefully he'll iron out the issues that lost him the GSL semifinals. If he does, Lambo shouldn't be a challenge for him and he should be able to make the Ro8.
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Well the problem is that TY and Neeb prepared really, really hard against against each other, so they both know how the other players plays.
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On September 30 2018 19:48 FrkFrJss wrote: Well the problem is that TY and Neeb prepared really, really hard against against each other, so they both know how the other players plays. But will the players play the plays that they were playing when the players prepared to play those players' plays?
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I imagine they will prepare all-new stuff. TY and Neeb practiced a lot with each other for the GSL Ro16 so their Ro4 match was super mind-gamey and full of blind calls and reads that seem strange from the outside perspective. By the time Blizzcon rolls around I don't think they'll be that familiar with how each other plays.
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So, Blizzcon group are done, great draw for Serral, hard one for Maru and TY, I could see TY get knock out in the decider match against Neeb. Other then that I have a hard time seeing another foreigner get out of group, but there's a full month of practice ahead so it's hard to say how well everyone will play.
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Maru and TY are so good, I don't see neeb getting out. Serral has hope with sOs and Zest, but no one is a favorite to get out of that group. sOs and Zest will prepare hard for Serral though so this will be his first major leagues test. Now people know he can win, so they will prepare. When this happened to neeb he got curbstomped by Dark.
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On October 01 2018 00:13 Rodya wrote: Maru and TY are so good, I don't see neeb getting out. Serral has hope with sOs and Zest, but no one is a favorite to get out of that group. sOs and Zest will prepare hard for Serral though so this will be his first major leagues test. Now people know he can win, so they will prepare. When this happened to neeb he got curbstomped by Dark.
Neeb lost 4-2 with a draw vs TY in GSL semi with a full week of preparation, he could probably win a bo3 vs him (hell he would have won the GSL series if it was a bo3. Maybe TY could snipe Maru in tvt too and go out in first, there's also a good chance Lambo knock Neeb out of course, his zvp is pretty good. Serral probably got the best group he could have hope for, he isn't guarantee to go out of the group but Zest pvz isn't that great and Heromarine is a good opponent for him, sOs could be problematic for him if he is in form, but I would still put him as the favourite here especially since he as only one match up to practice.
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