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Hi, Im kind of a noob, and i just got the Razer DeathAdder 3.5 and i was wondering what the most optimal settings are for SC2. I know its a preference thing, but i want to know which settings i should try out. I have no idea what a lot of the things in the driver settings mean, so detail would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! Cicero
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acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that.
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Thanks!!! What would you recommend for the Polling Rate? I have read a bit on it, and some have said that 1000Hz can be bad for your computer. I'm not sure what polling rate is so i dont know whch setting to use.
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set polling rate to 500hz or 1000hz. polling rate is the mouse response speed. 1000hz is 1millisecond and 500hz is 2milliseconds. Either way, it doesn't matter much because theres internet lag due to no LAN in sc2.
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I don't use the deathadder but use 450/900 dpi and 500hz. More dpi is overkill and you'll lose speed rather than gaining it.
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I just bought the deathadder 3.5 yesterday and im also having probs with my settings. What do you guys have your windows and SC mouse settings on?
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I have my windows sensitivity ay 6/10 and my sc2 sens at 40% but i reall have no idea what the other settings do, and i wpould really like to know aswell. thanks.
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900 dpi is what I use at 1024x768, if you use a really high res you might want to use 1800.
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I'm also finding the sweet spot to be around what everyone else has posted so far. I've had the mouse since May, and I have to say I love it. Going from having acceleration on to off was the biggest challenge, but ultimately it proved to allow for better control.
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Can some1 explain me, what exactly do DPI, sensitivity , hz do ? From what i know DPI is dots per inch ? And by incresing it i have to decrese sensitivity, but whats the difference ? etc...
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On October 18 2010 00:14 Gotmog wrote: Can some1 explain me, what exactly do DPI, sensitivity , hz do ? From what i know DPI is dots per inch ? And by incresing it i have to decrese sensitivity, but whats the difference ? etc...
Dots per inch means how many dots your pointer moves for every inch you move your mouse. You don't have to decrease sensitivity if you increase your DPI. An optimal sensitivity is 6/11. If you feel your mouse is too sensitive or not sensitive enough, your better off just adjusting your DPI. Hz is the response time for the mouse, but its pretty much negligible as long as you have some sort of gaming mouse.
To the OP, I recommend 1800 DPI for SC2, since you do need pretty fast mouse movements. I use 1800 with my deathadder on a 1368x768 (or something close to that) and it feels great to me. You should try it out, and if it's a too sensitive, turn it down to 900 DPI.
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Dots Per Inch (DPI) is the resolution of the sensor within the mouse. Higher DPI means that more samples are taken per second, lower DPI means that fewer samples are taken per second.
Windows Sensitivity scales the mouse movement in a exponential manner. 6/11 Windows Sensitivity is a 1:1 ratio of your mouse movement to registered Windows cursor movement.
Hz is the USB polling rate for your Mouse - its best to leave it at 1000Hz for the best response.
For example, If you try 450 DPI 6/11 Windows sens, you will find thats the same to 1800 DPI 3/11 Windows sens. Its best to leave the hardware calculations out of it completly, and just have a 1:1 ratio with the DPI and 6/11 Windows sensitivty.
Change your ingame sensitivty to suit whatever you want. I reccommend taking off mouse acceleration as well, so your arm movement and muscle memory stays constant throughout the entire movement range. For Windows XP, google "CPL mouse fix" and add the registery hack there. For Windows 7, google "Mark C Mouse Fix" and follow his instructions.
Hope this helps.
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On October 16 2010 09:08 Black Gun wrote: acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that. lol thats exactly what i use :D
in sc2 i use lowest resolution and 60% speed
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On October 16 2010 10:12 Glockateer wrote: I don't use the deathadder but use 450/900 dpi and 500hz. More dpi is overkill and you'll lose speed rather than gaining it.
You should note that DPi =/= speed. If you raise you dpi you're mouse will move less "jerky" and of course you'll experience an increase in speed. I personally recommend to play on highest dpi with low sensitivity if you have a steady hand. Otherwise switch the settings around (low dpi high sensitivity).
Anyway, I have the exact same mouse and use the following settings: In the razer driver: 3600dpi, 1000Mhz polling rate, acc. off, windows pointer speed at 5, X/Y axis on 5 and sensitivity on 10.
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On October 16 2010 09:08 Black Gun wrote: acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that.
Sorry for noobish question but i'm not sure what you mean by sensitivity 6/11
Axe X 6 and Axe Y 11?
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No I think he means that the sens is at 6 out of 11. I tried the accel off, sens at 6/11, 1800 dpi and 60% ingame, and it works very well for me. Thank you all for your help!
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People keep thinking higher dpi will make you do faster movements which is false. Being able to accurately flick your mouse disappears when its too fast so you actually lose speed.
500hz is more consistant, too.
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the sensitivity settings in windows or ur razer driver menu determine the ratio with which input from the hardware is translated to the software. there are 11 possible values, 6/11 means a 1:1 ratio. this means that each one pixel movement the mouse sensor registers will be translated to the mouse cursor moving 1 pixel in game.
without going too deep into the details, there are certain technical reasons why increasing the mouse sensitivity above 6/11 greatly reduces precision. there are also certains reasons to prefer to stay at 6/11 instead of going below that, but going below is not as detrimental as going above it.
now, dpi stands for dots per inch. this figure tells us how many pixels of mouse movement the mouse sensor will register for each mouse movement of one inch. so the higher the dpi, the farther the cursor will move as a result of the same mouse movement. therefore, dpi can be seen as the hardware sensitivity setting and the mouse sensitivity setting in the driver or windows can be seen as the software-side of mouse sensitivity. the efficient sensitivity, ie the overall outcome of all this, is the combination of both the software and hardware part of sens. for the reasons mentioned above, it is desirable to adjust the overall sensitivity purely by adjusting the dpi, as any change of the softwareside from the 6/11 sweet spot would reduce precision.
many applications offer a modifier to the sensitivity. the setting in sc2 though is just a proxy for the windows setting. this means it suffers from the exact same problems, increasing it beyond 50% (which corresponds to 6/11 in the windows mouse sensitivity settings menu) will reduce precision. but as rts games arent nearly as demanding in the department of pixel-accurate clicking as fps games, a setting of 60% in sc2 is no problem at all. i would highly recommend to not go beyond that though.
also note that the efficient sens depends on the screen resolution. if u need one inch of mouse movement to make i through ur screen on a certain dpi setting and a certain resolution, u will need twice the dpi for the same sens on twice the resolution. for example, 400 dpi on 800x600 will yield the same efficient sensitivity as 800 dpi on 1600x1200.
i hope that helped a bit.
the polling rate doesnt really matter, just set it to 500 or 1000 mhz. it really doesnt matter that much. the difference between the 2 is that with 500 mhz, there is a 2 ms delay between ur mouseclick and the action being processed, with 1000mhz, that delay which is caused by the mouse is only 1ms. as no one on bn will ever have less than some 30-40 ms of ping anyway, it wont make a difference.
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when i used my DA 3.5g, i played @ 1800 DPI, 6/11 windows sens, 1000hz polling, 4/10 razer sensitivity 10/10 X/Y sens, no acc. DA is a great mouse.
now i use a logitech g9x @ 1300dpi, 6/11 windows sens. 1000hz. no acc or angle snapping.
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I had mouse accel at 11/11 with 1800 before... got used to it and didnt want to switch so i went 6/11 with 3500. i think its overkill still. oh well.
EDIT omg 1800 is so smooth compared to 3500. and i still feel in control of it. im useing it now.
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I read all the posts, and I knew about the windows sensitivity and stuff. But I havn't seen much info about the razer sensitivity or the advanced sensitivity for x/y or the ones below it. I'm not sure what the best settings are for either bw or sc2. Does the razer sensitivity or advanced sensitivity matter? What settings do you guys have those on?
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On October 18 2010 12:17 Black Gun wrote: for example, 400 dpi on 800x600 will yield the same efficient sensitivity as 800 dpi on 1600x1200.
I have an odd question, but you seem like you can help me. I loved my old mouse setting of 1800DPI on 1280x1024 resolution, but I've upgraded to 1920x1080. So is there anyway to calculate a similar feeling DPI on the 1920x1080 resolution?
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Not sure, Gcubed. You could always take the ratio of the number of pixels in your old resolution (multiply 1280 by 1024) with the number of pixels in the new resolution (multiply 1920 by 1080). Then you could multiply your DPI by that ratio to get something that will have the same Dots/Pixel.
That entire calculation maybe bad and wrong, but that's what I would probably do.
As far as my settings go, I use the same resolution and have my DeathAdder set to full 3500 DPI at 1000 Hz refresh rate and the master sensitivity at 8.5. Both X and Y axes are set to full sensitivity at 10.
I have a giant mouse-mat and use about 10% of it, since my settings are so high. =D
Also, it is UNTRUE that 400 DPI at 800x600 will feel the same as 800 DPI at 1600x1200. You would need a DPI of 1600 to make it feel the same, since 1600x1200 has four times as many pixels as 800x600.
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Posting to save this for a few weeks down the road when I get my new deathadder for christmas ^^
I'm guessing the acc off, 6/11, 1800 DPI is what seems good for everyone. Will I be able to change the DPI once I set it?
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Yeah, you can. There's a Razer driver that sits in your system tray. Also, I've heard some Razer products have a feature when you can change the DPI in game, but I've never configured it or used it.
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On December 15 2010 06:32 Boundless wrote: Not sure, Gcubed. You could always take the ratio of the number of pixels in your old resolution (multiply 1280 by 1024) with the number of pixels in the new resolution (multiply 1920 by 1080). Then you could multiply your DPI by that ratio to get something that will have the same Dots/Pixel. .
If i understand correctly 1310720 / 2073600 x 2850 = 1801.48
So 2850 would be the proper DPI?
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I'm using 3/11, 3500dpi, 500hz, no accel, SC2 sens at about 24-25, I actually wish it was like a TINY bit faster but I can't run the razer drivers (they crash my computer because I'm already running an overlay lol).
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If you're going to play on lan then I wouldn't change anything don't install drivers. If not 800/1800 dpi. The polling rate will give you negative acceleration if you don't have a 64bit install of windows. So keep it on 500hz unless you're on a 64bit OS then it's safe to chuck it on 1000, not that i've ever noticed any difference.
Also don't change your Windows sens off 6/11 or it'll also create negative acceleration.
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I don't quite understand why people keep mentioning their windows sensitivity, but not their razer sens. Might confuse some people.... I personally use 450dpi, at 6/11 windows sens, 10/10 razer sens, and 1000hz polling rate. No accel
http://phoon.us/mouse/
This is a great site which should answer everything you need, however I am not sure if the calculations work for sc2. They do work for most fps pc games, but the info below is still very helpful.
edit: And there is a risk of having too high dpi with low sens. Might not be a problem for any of you, but I used a really low sens for left 4 dead 2, and it caused negative accel with 3500dpi. The problem has been fixed since I started using lower dpi. I am an extreme case tho, since I play fps games at 11.4inch/360
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Just updated the firmware to 2.44, turned off mouse acceleration and changed the windows mouse setting from 7/11 to 6/11. I see a world of difference in accuracy.
Thanks for the info
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On October 18 2010 09:16 Glockateer wrote: People keep thinking higher dpi will make you do faster movements which is false. Being able to accurately flick your mouse disappears when its too fast so you actually lose speed.
500hz is more consistant, too.
500hz ? You have a nice alienware comp, might as well go all out.
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On December 15 2010 06:49 Gcubed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 06:32 Boundless wrote: Not sure, Gcubed. You could always take the ratio of the number of pixels in your old resolution (multiply 1280 by 1024) with the number of pixels in the new resolution (multiply 1920 by 1080). Then you could multiply your DPI by that ratio to get something that will have the same Dots/Pixel. . If i understand correctly 1310720 / 2073600 x 2850 = 1801.48 So 2850 would be the proper DPI? According to my math, 2850 is the exact number, but most mice don't let you pick an exact value. Go with the higher value (at least 2850), and then play with it from there.
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Just got my deathadder today, been messing around with stuff, what do you guys think about playing with full 3500 and low in game sensitivity? Is there a benefit to doing it that way, or do you think 1800 dpi with midlevel in game sensitivity is better?
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On January 05 2011 03:39 MerciLess wrote: Just got my deathadder today, been messing around with stuff, what do you guys think about playing with full 3500 and low in game sensitivity? Is there a benefit to doing it that way, or do you think 1800 dpi with midlevel in game sensitivity is better?
optimal is ingame sens of ~ 53 % (no skipping) and adjusting dpi from then on.
use 2600dpi @ 1680x1050 and 53% myself with my razer imperator.
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Ok. Out of curiosity is there a reason 53% is optimal? I understand the skipping thing but I haven't really experienced skipping, is there a link or something? Not arguing with you, gonna try 1800 at 53, but just wondering if there was something more in depth available about that.
Edit : I suppose I am under the(possibly wrong) assumption that higher DPI is better?
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Everyone makes this way too complicated, here is the TLDR version:
Windows Sensitivity at 6/11, Mouse acceleration/enhance pointer precision OFF SC2 Sensitivity between 51-54% (doesn't matter which exact number), reduce mouse lag ON
Everyone should have the above settings to have a true 1:1 ratio and avoid mouse innaccuracies.
Now regarding the razer devices, you use the razer 1-10 sensitivity to adjust how fast you want your mouse to move, there is nothing wrong with anywhere on this range its just personal preference. Also, if you set it to 10 and its too slow than raise your mouses DPI usually via a switch or setting to the next higher increment (ie: from 1800 or 3500) and then try it out with 1/10 and keep going. You don't need to touch any other settings, the polling rate, or the x/y axis.
Also, get a freakin mousepad I see so many people play on their desk which just compromises the whole thing. Your only as strong as your weakest link.
Damn my TLDR turned out too long.
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Sorry to bump an old topic, but just wanted to make sure that I understand what's been said in here correctly. Just got a Deathadder 3.5 and these are my settings:
Are they optimal for the whole 1:1 pixel ratio thing? Also got 53% in SC2. Thanks in advance!
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On October 18 2010 02:53 Steel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:08 Black Gun wrote: acceleration off, sensitivity to 6/11, dpi to 1800. try that. Sorry for noobish question but i'm not sure what you mean by sensitivity 6/11 Axe X 6 and Axe Y 11? No 6 out of 11 in windows
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is it better to have a low sensitivity on windows and high dpi on mouse or the other way around?
im using 3/11 with 3500 dpi atm and im thinking if 6/11 with 1800 dpi is better for 1:1 accuracy
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I am really glad i found this thread. I have been struggling with my mouse settings. I have one question - does it make sense to buy an expenssive mouse pad or any cheap one will do?
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On May 19 2011 00:29 landmarktiger wrote: I am really glad i found this thread. I have been struggling with my mouse settings. I have one question - does it make sense to buy an expenssive mouse pad or any cheap one will do?
Price != Quality. But a good mousing surface that feels natural is a good investment.
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Attention! 6/11 *in windows* (the middle line) shows up as 5.5/10 *in the death adder driver*! I personally use 6/11 together with 900 dpi and it feels good for me @51% in starcraft. I also recently used the "marc windows 7 mouse fix" and tested with the included program for 1:1 translation.
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marc windows 7 mouse fix?
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I use 1800 dpi on a 1920x1080 screen. Left everything on default basically which means sensitivity and stuff is all default. My polling rate is 1000hz. my windows Sensitivity is 6/11 which is defaultt. I play at 54% ingame sc2 and 1920x1080.
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I am using a func1030 (rough) and running sc2 on 1440 x 900 What do you guys think the best setting for the deathadder with this setup?
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I left the settings completely alone and in game I use 80%, I like barely moving my mouse :D
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I got a RazerDeathAdder a few days ago and after 2 days and I decided on 6/11 on Windows 6/10 in Razer 1800 DPI in Razer settings 54% in sc2 it OWNS.
On June 17 2011 17:39 mardi wrote: I use 1800 dpi on a 1920x1080 screen. Left everything on default basically which means sensitivity and stuff is all default. My polling rate is 1000hz. my windows Sensitivity is 6/11 which is defaultt. I play at 54% ingame sc2 and 1920x1080.
Great minds think alike eh?
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alright so there's 3 settings that will adjust your sensitivity and its kind of confusing in this thread which one people are referring to... First there's the Sensitivity settings in windows, then razor has 2 separate settings in it's driver interface, one is a general sensitivity, then there's an advanced sensitivity tab that also has a Windows pointer option...
so do you guys mean...
6/11 in WINDOWS 6/10 in Razor general sensitivity 6/10 in Razor Advanced sensitivity Windows Mouse Pointer
I'm trying that out right now but if i want it a little more sensitive not sure when one i should be adjusting.
The following poster already posted a pic of the three settings
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On August 24 2011 15:46 naolin wrote:so do you guys mean... 6/11 in WINDOWS 6/10 in Razor general sensitivity 6/10 in Razor Advanced sensitivity Windows Mouse Pointer yes, should be default. just adjust the % in sc2 to your preference.
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My Deathadder settings:
DPI 3500 6/11 Windows 1000 hz Acceleration OFF Mouse scrolling 19% (in-game)
I got used to a 3200 dpi mouse so 1800 dpi feels slow for me.
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Sorry to bump but I just got this mouse and have a quick Q: like the pic 2 posts ago I can't set accel to off, only as low as possible on the slider. Is that ok?
Think I got the rest of the settings right.
Ok, I think I got it. It looks like if accel is on there is a green highlight behind the word on and if it's off there is no highlight. At least that's what I'm assuming for now.
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My Deathadder 3.5G settings.
Default windows sensitivity. 3500 DPI 1000hz Acceleration off (on top of Mark C mouse fix) In-game 51% (optimal is between 50% and 60%, not 50%0 Razer sensitivity 2
Note: As long as you have the Mark C mouse fix on, you don't have to worry about in-game being locked to windows. However, many games already bypass that bug.
http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
Edit: Recently changed mine to 1800DPI, 1000hz, razer sen 4. Feels a little more precise. I have an aluminum keyboard so high DPI isn't so good.
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hello I got a question; there has been a new update for the drivers, called Synapse 2.0; and a lot of setting options have changed and now with the synapse 2.0 my deathadder has a different feel and there's nothing I can do about it there no real option to customize settings for deathadder 3.5g... anyone has a work around on the synapse 2.0 using the old settings which i liked?
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On November 09 2012 11:15 ReDXfiRe wrote: hello I got a question; there has been a new update for the drivers, called Synapse 2.0; and a lot of setting options have changed and now with the synapse 2.0 my deathadder has a different feel and there's nothing I can do about it there no real option to customize settings for deathadder 3.5g... anyone has a work around on the synapse 2.0 using the old settings which i liked?
Uhh it should have the option to change accel/dpi/polling rate just like the old one? O.o
I have a naga and it kept all the same settings.
You can also just use the old drivers and deny updates.
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