Looks like a mix between Logitech Mini Optical and MX300/G1 Seems like a great shape.
Pictures from a german shop:
Techdata: Specifications: Dots Per Inch: 400/800/1600 Max. Acceleration: up to 30G Max. Speed: up to 50 inches/second USB report rate: 500Hz Length of cable: 1.8m / 5.8 ft Weight: 68g (ex. cable) Connector: USB Buttons: 3
Not exactly a fan of the shape (I love ambidextrous mice though, I use a WMO 1.1a), reminds me too much of the Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse. I guess it's ideal for the claw/finger gamer but not for palm players.
definitely looking at picking up one of these mice. I currently use a razer deathadder and the shape of it doesn't exactly mesh with my claw grip. Good on zowie for making a mouse designed for rts
only 3 buttons, not very appealing optically, only few dpi steps, a rather low max dpi - imho 35€ are not justified for this. until it proves to work flawlessly (reliable sensor, no skipping, no prediction etc.), which is not very likely, i dont really see the advantage of this mouse over similar mice from several years ago.
In order to change the DPI, you just hold down mouse1 and mouse2 simultaneously while scrolling the wheel. This allows you to change the DPI rather quickly and best of all; there’s no excess buttons on the mouse.
As a button minimalist myself, I gotta say that is so cool!
Edit: why are people saying 1600 dpi is insufficient?
In order to change the DPI, you just hold down mouse1 and mouse2 simultaneously while scrolling the wheel. This allows you to change the DPI rather quickly and best of all; there’s no excess buttons on the mouse.
As a button minimalist myself, I gotta say that is so cool!
Edit: why are people saying 1600 dpi is insufficient?
I've gotten used to 1800 on my Abyssus, and can't imagine trying to adjust to a slower mouse.
Interesting that so many smaller mice have come out recently. There's the obvious Razer Marauder, but also the Abyssus, the Kova +, the CM Sentinel, and now this. It's a great time to be a fingertip gripper!
On April 21 2011 13:00 Shew wrote: looks awesome, digging it. I'm curious what it's dimensions are
65mm wide, 40mm high, 120mm long
They actually went over to the Startale house and measured the player's hands and filmed their movements. I don't know, but what's been uniquely measured for the God of War must be good for everyone, so I'm getting one, right along a Celeritas from Caseking
The competition for this mouse includes the Razer Orochi/Abyssus, Roccat Pyra and Steelseries Kinzu, and out-of-production mice like the LMO and Razer Salmosa Asian edition. It makes sense to compare it to those mice, then.
The Mico is a very lightweight gaming mouse and the listed 68g weight is easily comparable to the competition. (Pyra is around 90g, Kinzu is 77g, Orochi is 95g, Abyssus is 67g)
Overall, it looks great for claw grip in particular, with the top of the mouse being coated and the sides being bare. Too bad the exact dimensions aren't listed. I suspect people with bigger hands may have trouble using the Mico with a claw grip, but fingertip grip is probably comfortable regardless of hand size. The shape of the mouse is similar to the LMO, which has been heralded as the best Brood War mouse of all time. This is likely one of the Mico's greatest strengths.
On April 21 2011 13:00 Shew wrote: looks awesome, digging it. I'm curious what it's dimensions are
65mm wide, 40mm high, 120mm long
They actually went over to the Startale house and measured the player's hands and filmed their movements. I don't know, but what's been uniquely measured for the God of War must be good for everyone, so I'm getting one, right along a Celeritas from Caseking
EDIT: If these dimensions are correct, then the Mico is actually a little bit bigger than the competition in dimension. This would mean that it should be comfortable for all hand types when using a claw grip. People with small hands may find fingertip grip uncomfortable, but it is still pretty unlikely. The Mico may not be the smallest mouse out there, but it is certainly among the smaller end of the spectrum.
Apparently StarTale players use 400 or 800 dpi when playing instead of the max 1600. If that seems low, you can always turn up the sensitivity settings in SC2, so it shouldn't be that big of a problem. The Optical lens is apparently optimized for lift-off distance, so the mouse will likely excel at low DPI settings. At 400 DPI, I think the mouse will actually outperform the competition for many types of games. Whether or not the mouse has acceleration issues remains to be seen, but it certainly seems unlikely with the emphasis Zowie put on the sensor. In comparison, the Kinzu and Salmosa seem to suffer from mouse acceleration, while the Pyra, Orochi and Abyssus do not have hardware based acceleration built in. That being said, the Abyssus does suffer from random erratic sensor movements, but this is very rare.
The polling rate for the Mico is 500Hz, which is more than sufficient, but less than the 1000Hz its competitors promise. This is unlikely to have any real-world performance issues, but it is something to consider. Some people are really picky about the polling rate of their mouse, and the Mico falls a little short here. The Pyra, Kinzu, Abyssus, Salmosa and Orochi all feature 1000Hz polling rate, and some offer the possibility of toggling between 125, 500 and 1000 Hz.
What I don't like is the lack of proper driver software. I like to set up different profiles and tweak the settings around, so I'm a bit disappointed. I assume DPI is controlled by a mechanical switch on the mouse itself, not unlike the Salmosa. Granted, some people prefer minimalist mice like this, so you may count it as a blessing depending on what you like.
If someone can get their hands on one and post a real review, I'd appreciate that. The Mico certainly looks very promising.
1600 DPI means you move 1.2 inches to move the mouse cursor from the far left of your screen to the far right at 1920x1080. If that is too slow, you're playing with far too high sensitivity, and will probably give yourself RSI.
Just because the pros are fast, it in no way means they are playing with ridiculously high sensitivities like that. In fact there are videos of players like NaDa playing BW using the 400 DPI Mini Optical that all the BW pros use, and it looks like he actually keeps it at 1:1 (which would be best, rather than having pixel skipping).
On April 21 2011 16:40 stafu wrote: 1600 DPI means you move 1.2 inches to move the mouse cursor from the far left of your screen to the far right at 1920x1080. If that is too slow, you're playing with far too high sensitivity, and will probably give yourself RSI.
Just because the pros are fast, it in no way means they are playing with ridiculously high sensitivities like that. In fact there are videos of players like NaDa playing BW using the 400 DPI Mini Optical that all the BW pros use, and it looks like he actually keeps it at 1:1 (which would be best, rather than having pixel skipping).
I just did some calculations: a 400 DPI mouse at BW's 640x480 resolution makes the mouse pointer move with the same speed as a 1200 DPI mouse on a 1920 pixel wide screen, or 1050 DPI for 1680 pixel, or 800 DPI for 1280 pixel. So a 1600 DPI mouse will mean a higher sensitivity than that NaDa BW example.
is there anyboduy know if it has any negative or possitive acceleration or prediction i mean. because it is the maiiiiiiin problem most of the recent mouses have.
I wouldn't get this because I already have an Abyssus, but I will chime in and say that I'm mostly pleased with my Zowie EC2. It doesn't feel like the build quality is great, but it's completely held up so far.
On April 21 2011 16:40 stafu wrote: 1600 DPI means you move 1.2 inches to move the mouse cursor from the far left of your screen to the far right at 1920x1080. If that is too slow, you're playing with far too high sensitivity, and will probably give yourself RSI.
Just because the pros are fast, it in no way means they are playing with ridiculously high sensitivities like that. In fact there are videos of players like NaDa playing BW using the 400 DPI Mini Optical that all the BW pros use, and it looks like he actually keeps it at 1:1 (which would be best, rather than having pixel skipping).
I just did some calculations: a 400 DPI mouse at BW's 640x480 resolution makes the mouse pointer move with the same speed as a 1200 DPI mouse on a 1920 pixel wide screen, or 1050 DPI for 1680 pixel, or 800 DPI for 1280 pixel. So a 1600 DPI mouse will mean a higher sensitivity than that NaDa BW example.
Yeah exactly. This is why I use 1200 DPI @ 1920x1080, and I guess this is probably why most Korean players who used to use LMOs in Broodwar use the silver Logitech G1's which are 1000 dpi (close to 1050) on the assumedly 1680x1050 monitors they have at GSL/team houses.
I'm not sure if this is the most up-to-date version and on what forum or blog it originated: it is the first page I found just now with a Google search.
Where can the dimensions of this mouse be found? It seems to be missing from the website link in the op. This mouse seems perfect for sc2 actually if the physical dimensions are comfortable; same shape as the LMO, but with updated technology.
This is the perfect mouse for me. My Steelseries Xai's sensor is bugging more and more often, time to buy an other mouse. So it will be a Razer Abyssus or a Zowie Mico, if I still have no money when the Mico will be available.
The Abyssus is 63 mm x 115mm x 40mm according to Razer. If that picture is correct, the Mico is significantly smaller than the Abyssus, and definitely not 65mm x 120mm x 40mm. I'd guess more like 65mm x 95mm x 40mm.
Seeing as I much prefer smaller mice, the Mico is starting to look better and better.
From the comparison of the Mico and the Abyssus side by side, I compared my LMO (best mouse ever) against the Abyssus and they look to be the exact size and shape. Me likey
On May 20 2011 04:40 ubfOmby wrote: Look at the shitty mouse feet on the bottom. Why couldn't they afford to put larger feet on this bad girl?
Same mouse feet as the LMO...dunno if you'd need anything more excessive. IMO, get rid of the top logo and the strips of gloss on the sides and it would be perfect.
Hmm, I have been waiting for a week now to buy this thing, but I still can't find anybody that sells it. Their page says it was to be available for purchase on June 1st, but it is not for sale on their home page, nor anywhere else. Grrr, I need a new mouse so badly, hurry up Zowie =(
It's here! It measures exactly 104mm x 60mm, so definitely smaller than anticipated, but it just feels so right. I'm finally gonna play some StarCraft tonight!
Left to right: - Mico - Wingman - BT58 (OEM version of MX-300) - BZ96C (Pilot Optical)
Looks really great, especially love the old-school egg-shape similar to the LMO. really regretting now that I bought my kinzu just a month ago ( could have just waited a month
Zere, i think alot of people would love an extented review if you have the time. Or maybe someone else who got it already. I'm buying one as soon as i can...
On June 10 2011 11:17 Balthazar wrote: I'm going back and forth between the Razer Abyssus and this one. What do people who have both recommend?
I don't know how other people are, i would recommend you go for mico first. I have the abyssus, it's a nice one but it hurts my ring finger after hours of playing and the buttons place are kind of high.
Cable length is 1.80m, it is rather thick, but not stiff. Lifting up and relocating on your mousepad is extremely easy, despite the mouse not having any edges or ergonomic curves. This is due to it's weight, it is extremely light. I can't really define what my old kitchen scale says, but the marker is way below the 75g line. Zowie talks about 68g, and that sounds right. The grip is phenomenal; I know there are multiple types of polymers that manufacturers use for computer peripherals, but I don't know too much about that, so I just hope it is the higher quality one which does not start to glare after using it for a few weeks. I don't know which sensor is built in there, but I can't see any prediction or acceleration. Dislocating myself like Quasi Modo, I can confirm the lift-off-distance to be 2mm. Zowie talks about a speed of 1,27m/s, but I don't quite know how to measure that - can anyone recommend a program for that? I've had mice with buttons activating by just barely touching them, but not the Zowie, it's buttons require a reasonable medium amount of pressure to activate, which is perfectly fine with me. The rubber-like scrollwheel gives good grip and sits tight, no shaking to the left or right whatsoever. It's easy to press, giving rather less feedback, but still nicely noticebale. Until now, I always used blank 80g/m2 paper as mousepad (try it, it's awesome!), and just switched to an NR-F1 mousepad, so this is a bit new to me, but it glides like no other of my mice on it, probably due to its low weight. I can't compare to other gaming mice's gliding capabilities; never really paid attention to the gliders, simply because the shape of every gaming mouse from the last decade disappointed me which caused me to ignore them, lol. So I don't really know how to call this type of glider, it just looks standard to me There is no software, we don't need one. Press left+right mouse button and scroll the wheel up to lower the dpi, scroll down to raise it in three steps (400dpi-800dpi-1600dpi). The scrollbutton changes colours accordingly, which doesn't annoy me while playing because my finger is in front of it, anyway. Palmgrip is difficult because it is so small. I have a medium hand by western standards, and with a palmgrip, my fingertips hang over at the front. I'm using a mixture of a palm- and fingertipgrip, which caused me to have problems with many mice already, but it works surprisingly well with the Mico. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play yesterday, but at some point this weekend I will throw in a couple of hours of a SC2-session to see what it's like in a real gaming condition. I'm confident.
On June 10 2011 17:13 zere wrote: Cable length is 1.80m, it is rather thick, but not stiff. Lifting up and relocating on your mousepad is extremely easy, despite the mouse not having any edges or ergonomic curves. This is due to it's weight, it is extremely light. I can't really define what my old kitchen scale says, but the marker is way below the 75g line. Zowie talks about 68g, and that sounds right. The grip is phenomenal; I know there are multiple types of polymers that manufacturers use for computer peripherals, but I don't know too much about that, so I just hope it is the higher quality one which does not start to glare after using it for a few weeks. I don't know which sensor is built in there, but I can't see any prediction or acceleration. Dislocating myself like Quasi Modo, I can confirm the lift-off-distance to be 2mm. Zowie talks about a speed of 1,27m/s, but I don't quite know how to measure that - can anyone recommend a program for that? I've had mice with buttons activating by just barely touching them, but not the Zowie, it's buttons require a reasonable medium amount of pressure to activate, which is perfectly fine with me. The rubber-like scrollwheel gives good grip and sits tight, no shaking to the left or right whatsoever. It's easy to press, giving rather less feedback, but still nicely noticebale. Until now, I always used blank 80g/m2 paper as mousepad (try it, it's awesome!), and just switched to an NR-F1 mousepad, so this is a bit new to me, but it glides like no other of my mice on it, probably due to its low weight. I can't compare to other gaming mice's gliding capabilities; never really paid attention to the gliders, simply because the shape of every gaming mouse from the last decade disappointed me which caused me to ignore them, lol. So I don't really know how to call this type of glider, it just looks standard to me There is no software, we don't need one. Press left+right mouse button and scroll the wheel up to lower the dpi, scroll down to raise it in three steps (400dpi-800dpi-1600dpi). The scrollbutton changes colours accordingly, which doesn't annoy me while playing because my finger is in front of it, anyway. Palmgrip is difficult because it is so small. I have a medium hand by western standards, and with a palmgrip, my fingertips hang over at the front. I'm using a mixture of a palm- and fingertipgrip, which caused me to have problems with many mice already, but it works surprisingly well with the Mico. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play yesterday, but at some point this weekend I will throw in a couple of hours of a SC2-session to see what it's like in a real gaming condition. I'm confident.
Did some digging to figure out what was going on with the US release since it initially said June 1st. Ended up at Zowie's official facebook page, turns out some guy had asked when the mico would be available in the the US, and they replied that they expected it would be available July 1st. So it won't be for another couple of weeks it seems.
Man, that sucks. I was looking around for a mouse to get (my first ever gaming mouse, actually), and this looked like a nice choice. Ah well, looks like I'll have to wait a couple more weeks or make another choice I guess. Anyway, thanks for the info!
On June 14 2011 15:55 vincom2 wrote: Man, that sucks. I was looking around for a mouse to get (my first ever gaming mouse, actually), and this looked like a nice choice. Ah well, looks like I'll have to wait a couple more weeks or make another choice I guess. Anyway, thanks for the info!
This mouse is an extremely good mouse.
From the reviews:
Impeccable lift off distance Very clicky switches Light/durable cord Scroll wheel isn't bugged Shape is fingertip grip + claw + small-handed palm Great old-school feet No prediction Centred sensor
On June 14 2011 16:41 TooL wrote: Probably going to buy this mouse as soon as it is available in Canada as long as there is no accel and such built in.
Currently have the Abyssus and something just feels weird about it.
Ehh the Abyssus shouldn't have acceleration...
According to the guys who have it on ESReality - a very picky Quake community, they say that it is the most flawless mouse
Got this today, and I have to say I'm impressed. The most flawless mouse I have used.
Shape is good, sensor is good, wire is good, scroll is good, clicks are good.
I absolutely love the shape but 1600 kills it for me. Low dpi wasn't a huge issue in BW but for sc2 it makes a huge deal. You want high dpi and low sensitivity/windows speed...and with 1600 you are going to have to put the sensitivity up pretty damn high. Don't understand how this was made for sc2 with only 1600 dpi.
I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
On June 14 2011 16:50 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I absolutely love the shape but 1600 kills it for me. Low dpi wasn't a huge issue in BW but for sc2 it makes a huge deal. You want high dpi and low sensitivity/windows speed...and with 1600 you are going to have to put the sensitivity up pretty damn high. Don't understand how this was made for sc2 with only 1600 dpi.
That's a little more than 1.5x desktops in an inch. i.e. 2 thirds of an inch for your desktop. I'm pretty sure not many people use that kind of sensitivity.
On June 14 2011 17:35 stafu wrote: Apparently it does have prediction. *sad*
It doesn't have prediction, or has prediction mild enough not to be noticed when he drew the circle/spirals in that image they uploaded.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
On June 14 2011 16:50 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I absolutely love the shape but 1600 kills it for me. Low dpi wasn't a huge issue in BW but for sc2 it makes a huge deal. You want high dpi and low sensitivity/windows speed...and with 1600 you are going to have to put the sensitivity up pretty damn high. Don't understand how this was made for sc2 with only 1600 dpi.
I think you're in the minority with this. Zowie have said that DPI options were the main thing that Star Tale wanted. Most Korean pros are using MX300 (or worse) so 400/800 would be the common DPI options. Plus I thought everyone was using 7 in Windows and 52-54 in SC2?
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to this mouse and will probably "only" be using 800dpi.
[B] I thought everyone was using 7 in Windows and 52-54 in SC2?
You mean 6 in Windows...dont you?
I do mean 6, you're right. Although Starcraft totally ignores your Windows sensitivity, it's worth it to have the consistency of 1:1 in Windows and SC.
In fact, most of the korean pros use 800dpi-mice with 6/11 windows sens, so 1:1 tracking. It is pretty close to how they used to play BW with 400dpi MiniOptical: 400 dpi on 480 pixels vertically(BW resolution) -> 1,2 inches 800 dpi on 1080 pixels vertically(SCII resolution) -> 1,35 inches Not much of a difference when moving vertically. And since SC2 is played on 16 : 9 monitors and not on 4:3 like BW, you are better off moving your mouse more horizontally to have better accuracy.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
1) DPI stands for Dots per Inch, or in more relevant terms, Pixels per inch. Zero to do with accuracy. 2) The reason why increasing sensitivity + windows speed reduces accuracy is because Windows doesn't interpolate movement, and does not extrapolate movement. You should never change windows sensitivity from 6/11. For every notch away from that, you will lose 0.5 pixels of movement per pixel of movement interpreted by your mouse Solution: Leave windows sensitivity at 6/11 Put sensitivity settings at <halfway Put DPI settings to actual settings - how many pixels you want your cursor to travel per inch of real movement.
On June 14 2011 15:55 vincom2 wrote: Man, that sucks. I was looking around for a mouse to get (my first ever gaming mouse, actually), and this looked like a nice choice. Ah well, looks like I'll have to wait a couple more weeks or make another choice I guess. Anyway, thanks for the info!
This mouse is an extremely good mouse.
From the reviews:
Impeccable lift off distance Very clicky switches Light/durable cord Scroll wheel isn't bugged Shape is fingertip grip + claw + small-handed palm Great old-school feet No prediction Centred sensor
Looks like an amazing mouse.
Damn, I was just thinking that it looks like it would fit perfectly in the palm and then let my fingers drape over it... But I think my hands are too big for it, still haven't checked out the price but I might still get it based on that.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
1) DPI stands for Dots per Inch, or in more relevant terms, Pixels per inch. Zero to do with accuracy. 2) The reason why increasing sensitivity + windows speed reduces accuracy is because Windows doesn't interpolate movement, and does not extrapolate movement. You should never change windows sensitivity from 6/11. For every notch away from that, you will lose 0.5 pixels of movement per pixel of movement interpreted by your mouse Solution: Leave windows sensitivity at 6/11 Put sensitivity settings at <halfway Put DPI settings to actual settings - how many pixels you want your cursor to travel per inch of real movement.
I tried that but the mouse now was too slow at 1600...I had to raise the sensitivity and windows speed and SC2 speed for it to catch up. Also though, how is accuracy not related to DPI? I don't get your statement there. DPI = dots per inch. More pixels/dots per inch = being able to have more places in a single inch of screen to move. Being able to select more pixels in an inch = more accurate...how is this not wrong?
If you can find me a way to get a very accurate and very high speed set-up with 1600 dpi that would be awesome because I really love the shape of this mouse. However in all my tests it's either too slow or not sensitive enough.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
1) DPI stands for Dots per Inch, or in more relevant terms, Pixels per inch. Zero to do with accuracy. 2) The reason why increasing sensitivity + windows speed reduces accuracy is because Windows doesn't interpolate movement, and does not extrapolate movement. You should never change windows sensitivity from 6/11. For every notch away from that, you will lose 0.5 pixels of movement per pixel of movement interpreted by your mouse Solution: Leave windows sensitivity at 6/11 Put sensitivity settings at <halfway Put DPI settings to actual settings - how many pixels you want your cursor to travel per inch of real movement.
I tried that but the mouse now was too slow at 1600...I had to raise the sensitivity and windows speed and SC2 speed for it to catch up. Also though, how is accuracy not related to DPI? I don't get your statement there. DPI = dots per inch. More pixels/dots per inch = being able to have more places in a single inch of screen to move. Being able to select more pixels in an inch = more accurate...how is this not wrong?
If you can find me a way to get a very accurate and very high speed set-up with 1600 dpi that would be awesome because I really love the shape of this mouse. However in all my tests it's either too slow or not sensitive enough.
the accuracy[1] of a measurement system is the degree of closeness of measurements of a quantity to that quantity's actual (true) value.
Where the actual value is actual distance travelled on surface x DPI. You are not meant to tweak sensitivity settings. You are not meant to tweak windows mouse settings. Sensitivity settings should ALWAYS be set at halfway. Windows mouse settings should ALWAYS be set at the 6th notch. DPI should be tweaked to compensate.
Increasing DPI does not increase accuracy. Depending on your windows sensitivity settings and mouse settings, changing DPI will either reduce accuracy or increase it.
1) Increasing windows mouse settings past the 6th notch will result in skipping each 1/2 a pixel. Thus the 11th notch will result in loss in 2.5 pixels of precision, essentially meaning you won't hit every even pixel. 2) Increasing sensitivity settings will result in the same 3) leaving them at the middle-most setting will result in 1:1 movement, thus adjusting DPI will actually adjust sensitivity, as DPI IS SENSITIVITY.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
1) DPI stands for Dots per Inch, or in more relevant terms, Pixels per inch. Zero to do with accuracy. 2) The reason why increasing sensitivity + windows speed reduces accuracy is because Windows doesn't interpolate movement, and does not extrapolate movement. You should never change windows sensitivity from 6/11. For every notch away from that, you will lose 0.5 pixels of movement per pixel of movement interpreted by your mouse Solution: Leave windows sensitivity at 6/11 Put sensitivity settings at <halfway Put DPI settings to actual settings - how many pixels you want your cursor to travel per inch of real movement.
I tried that but the mouse now was too slow at 1600...I had to raise the sensitivity and windows speed and SC2 speed for it to catch up. Also though, how is accuracy not related to DPI? I don't get your statement there. DPI = dots per inch. More pixels/dots per inch = being able to have more places in a single inch of screen to move. Being able to select more pixels in an inch = more accurate...how is this not wrong?
If you can find me a way to get a very accurate and very high speed set-up with 1600 dpi that would be awesome because I really love the shape of this mouse. However in all my tests it's either too slow or not sensitive enough.
the accuracy[1] of a measurement system is the degree of closeness of measurements of a quantity to that quantity's actual (true) value.
Where the actual value is actual distance travelled on surface x DPI. You are not meant to tweak sensitivity settings. You are not meant to tweak windows mouse settings. Sensitivity settings should ALWAYS be set at halfway. Windows mouse settings should ALWAYS be set at the 6th notch. DPI should be tweaked to compensate.
Increasing DPI does not increase accuracy. Depending on your windows sensitivity settings and mouse settings, changing DPI will either reduce accuracy or increase it.
1) Increasing windows mouse settings past the 6th notch will result in skipping each 1/2 a pixel. Thus the 11th notch will result in loss in 2.5 pixels of precision, essentially meaning you won't hit every even pixel. 2) Increasing sensitivity settings will result in the same 3) leaving them at the middle-most setting will result in 1:1 movement, thus adjusting DPI will actually adjust sensitivity, as DPI IS SENSITIVITY.
This will result in 100% accuracy times DPI.
What about sc2 sensitivity, where should that be
Edit:
I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi.
On June 14 2011 16:58 Glockateer wrote: I don't care if you're on 1920x1080, 1600 is more than enough DPI on any resolution. An inch to go across is fast as it is and you'll lose even more accuracy for having it go too fast.
You don't lose accuracy with high dpi and low sens/window speed. I just got in a Roccat Kova Plus today, and previously I was using a Razer Salmosa which I used for 4 years. The Salmosa had 1800 dpi and I was maxing the sensitivity + windows speed and it still wasn't fast enough. The Kova I have at 3200 dpi which imo could be even higher.
I've been doing testing and I've come to the conclusion that DPI is basically the accuracy of the mouse, and as a result it brings a natural speed. I tested 400 DPI compared to 3200 DPI under the same windows speed + sensitivity settings and the 3200 was obviously much faster. However, if I wanted to bring the 400 up to the speed of the 3200..because the 400 was too slow...I would have to increase the sensitivity + windows speed drastically. As a result the accuracy was terrible. Basically glitched across the screen as opposed to smoothly moving across. I could barely even select single marines. However, if you use 3200 dpi and reduce the windows speed + sensitivity settings, you get the same overall in game speed but you gain good accuracy. Basically it was the same speed but I could easily select my unit. Though I couldn't fully reduce the sensitivity, I still had to have it up just a bit.
What's the point? Point being the combo of very high DPI and low sensitivity allows you to have high speed AND high accuracy.
Sure, you 1600 may be sufficient for some people, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily ideal or good. If you want it fast you will lose accuracy, however you won't lose the accuracy with high DPI.
I hope my testing illustrates why high dpi is really beneficial for sc2 which revolves around mice with high speed and high accuracy.
1) DPI stands for Dots per Inch, or in more relevant terms, Pixels per inch. Zero to do with accuracy. 2) The reason why increasing sensitivity + windows speed reduces accuracy is because Windows doesn't interpolate movement, and does not extrapolate movement. You should never change windows sensitivity from 6/11. For every notch away from that, you will lose 0.5 pixels of movement per pixel of movement interpreted by your mouse Solution: Leave windows sensitivity at 6/11 Put sensitivity settings at <halfway Put DPI settings to actual settings - how many pixels you want your cursor to travel per inch of real movement.
I tried that but the mouse now was too slow at 1600...I had to raise the sensitivity and windows speed and SC2 speed for it to catch up. Also though, how is accuracy not related to DPI? I don't get your statement there. DPI = dots per inch. More pixels/dots per inch = being able to have more places in a single inch of screen to move. Being able to select more pixels in an inch = more accurate...how is this not wrong?
If you can find me a way to get a very accurate and very high speed set-up with 1600 dpi that would be awesome because I really love the shape of this mouse. However in all my tests it's either too slow or not sensitive enough.
the accuracy[1] of a measurement system is the degree of closeness of measurements of a quantity to that quantity's actual (true) value.
Where the actual value is actual distance travelled on surface x DPI. You are not meant to tweak sensitivity settings. You are not meant to tweak windows mouse settings. Sensitivity settings should ALWAYS be set at halfway. Windows mouse settings should ALWAYS be set at the 6th notch. DPI should be tweaked to compensate.
Increasing DPI does not increase accuracy. Depending on your windows sensitivity settings and mouse settings, changing DPI will either reduce accuracy or increase it.
1) Increasing windows mouse settings past the 6th notch will result in skipping each 1/2 a pixel. Thus the 11th notch will result in loss in 2.5 pixels of precision, essentially meaning you won't hit every even pixel. 2) Increasing sensitivity settings will result in the same 3) leaving them at the middle-most setting will result in 1:1 movement, thus adjusting DPI will actually adjust sensitivity, as DPI IS SENSITIVITY.
This will result in 100% accuracy times DPI.
What about sc2 sensitivity, where should that be
Edit:
I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi.
Leave the windows settings at the 6th notch. In sc2 your setting should not be a multiplier of 5. So not 50 or 55 or 60 or 80...set it to 51, 54 or w/e...read more here. But honestly, if i remember correctly from one of your previous posts on the salmosa, max win sens, max dpi and max sc2 sens...that ALOT. You use really really high sens. Do you move your mouse half an inch to go from one side of the screen to the other? At such a high sensitivity i dont think i can have any sort of accuracy. And not, dpi doesnt help u at all. For accuracy, you need low sens, dpi doesnt really matter as long as the mouse does exactly what it's supposed to do. Counter-strike pros use really low sens hence the huge mouse pads. In BW its higher but still alot lower than what you use. I could look for a vid with Nada but im lazy...you can clearly see he moves hes hand from the wrist left and right pretty much as much as he can.
On June 14 2011 05:02 DueleR wrote: Did some digging to figure out what was going on with the US release since it initially said June 1st. Ended up at Zowie's official facebook page, turns out some guy had asked when the mico would be available in the the US, and they replied that they expected it would be available July 1st. So it won't be for another couple of weeks it seems.
Thanks! I've been search all over trying to find the mouse and its not released .
Well I use all 3500DPI of a DeathAdder for 1366x768 (6/11 Win, 51/100 SC2). Increasing or decreasing the DPI doesn't change accuracy, just sensitivity. You just have to get used to whatever setting you use. It just depends on how much you care.
Sensor: Nearly flawless with little to no prediction and/or acceleration.
Size / Shape: Handles like the Logitech Mini Optical and/or Logitech G3. It's short which allows for vertical movement, however it's so short that you may end up using a finger-tip grip. Widthwise the Mico will be far too narrow for most gamers regardless of their hand size or grip, which, with prolonged use, may lead to Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and/or Ulnar Nerve Entrapment no matter what you or your mama think (btw I have small hands); it does however have flat sides, which allows for a wider grip than similar mice with rounded sides such as the Abyssus or G3.
Weight: One of the lightest yet well-balanced mice I've ever used. This has not sacrificed precision as the DPI is capped at 1600 DPI.
Texture: It feels like a hybrid between rubberized coating and traditional matte plastic. There's glossy plastic on the sides but my fingers hardly make contact with them.
Mouse Feet: Slick and of high quality. Their small size may sacrifice overall smoothness however this is compensated with less friction, allowing for quicker hand movements.
Cord: Flexible yet sturdier than the Abysuss'
Scroll Wheel: Less tactile scroll then ANY mouse I've ever used; not recommended for FPS, but pleasurable for daily use. Soft middle click.
Left & Right Click: What makes the Zowie Mico unique is its buttons' custom-built switches. They feel as they're described by the manufacturer, but unless you've experienced them for yourself you won't know what to expect. That said, if I had to compare the Mico's buttons I'd they're a louder and slightly crisper version of the Logitech G3. They're easy to click and very tactile, however, there's a faint springiness which I don't like because it sometimes feel like the buttons are sticking, especially the right click which is (too) much harder to press. This almost ruins the mouse for me, but I'm hoping this goes away as I break them.
Build Quality: It feels like a $10 mouse but it performs like a $50 + mouse, so no worries here.
FINAL THOUGHTS: Though far from perfect I prefer using the Zowie Mico for SC2 over most other mice I've used. It's light weight and easy-to-click buttons allow for greater dexterity and less hand fatigue, as you don't have to clench the mouse to apply enough pressure to press them. This can prevent RSI, which is why I got it.
I'm sticking with the Mico for now, but will switch back to the G700 or MX518 if the Mico's buttons don't break in and/or its narrow shape causes me discomfort. One last thing: if you're trying to decide between multiple mice I'd suggest using several different ones for separate tasks, that way you don't cause your hand muscle atrophy by holding one mouse in the same position day-in, day-out. Hope this helps!
Other mice I've gamed with up until now:
Logitech G700 (daily productive mouse): Pros: buttons are easy to claw. short enough for vertical movement. wireless yet performs just as well or better than any wired gaming mice I've ever used cons: slightly heavy. one-day battery life (don't rely on the cord to recharge your battery - buy a separate rechargeable battery kit)
Steelseries Ikari (daily ergonomic mouse): pros: accurate. wide and comfortable. can be clawed or finger-tipped with lots of practice. buttons are easiest to click on the market cons: incompatible with most gaming mats. may be too wide for most.
Logitech G3: pros: performs well and feels most similar to the Mico cons: rounded sides encourages a far too narrow grip which can cause RSI
Logitech G9X: Pros: premium quality, good sensor, two comfortable wide grips. Cons: heavy, causes discomfort around thumb and index finger, middle click beyond stiff, left and right click curve too low in the front and are too stiff in the back
Razer Abyssus: Pros: ambidextrous, light, good sensor and buttons Cons: too long and narrow. round sides encourages a much narrower grip which can RSI. glossy plastic attracts dirt and sweat.
Steelseries Kinzu: pros: nice texture, well-balanced, feels sturdy cons: acceleration. buttons are too stiff further back
Logitech MX518: pros: light. good sensor buttons easy to click in front and back. despite how it looks it's easy to claw with small hands. decent vertical movement. cons: light prediction and/or acceleration (forget which one… but I hardly noticed).
Zowie EC2: pros: buttons are much different than the Mico's; easy to click and feel similar but arguably better than Razer's. good sensor. comes in large or small; large is similar to death adder, small is similar to the classic MS Optical. plug and play cons: only 3 buttons, glossy plastic on the black version which accumulate dirt and sweat.
Zapdos, the "more dots per inch" only applies to a shooter game. You can't get "more accurate" than a 1:1 pixel ratio. It is bad if you go more than 1 or less than one. Your cursor won't move half a pixel on the screen whereas a shooter game, which is 3D, has aiming by degrees. That is why DPI is nothing more than sensitivity in a RTS world.
On June 17 2011 08:50 a176 wrote: Where did you get the mouse from?
E-Bay. Seller says he's in China but it shipped from CA in a few days time. Those mouse should be available in the states around July 1.
Btw you guys should discuss the DPI issue on another thread, as that topic has been beaten to death since 1999. This is about the Mico, not a pissing contest about who knows more on DPI.
I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi.[/QUOTE]
51%-54%... You're insane if you think 3200 DPI @ 50% is too slow, unless of course you're on a 30+ inch monitor. If you're on a 22-24 inch and find 3200 DPI slow I'm assuming you've got the following issues:
1) a bulky mouse 2) worn out mouse feet. consider hyperglidez or corepad skates 3) high friction mouse pad. consider Zowie G-TF Speed (when it's available) or a plastic mat
As a result I'm sure you're actually less accurate and/or slower than most 1600 DPI users bc you must constantly stop on a dime at 3200 DPI, which from my experience is far harder than moving your wrist an extra inch in any direction.
I just received my Mico, but I'm going to insta-return it. Sure the buttons are nice, and the shape feels alright too, but I can't stand mice with prediction. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 exclusively, and at that setting some prediction / weird behaviour is very noticable: http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg
Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.
On June 17 2011 19:36 unfo wrote: I just received my Mico, but I'm going to insta-return it. Sure the buttons are nice, and the shape feels alright too, but I can't stand mice with prediction. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 exclusively, and at that setting some prediction / weird behaviour is very noticable: http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg
Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.
Its the closest we've got to 100% atm.
Also it looks like you can't draw spirals lol, and also looks like you're not attempting to draw straight lines, but wavey lines...and I think your windows sensitivity is not 6/11 - each jump at 1600 looks like 2-4 pixels apart...
On June 17 2011 19:36 unfo wrote: I just received my Mico, but I'm going to insta-return it. Sure the buttons are nice, and the shape feels alright too, but I can't stand mice with prediction. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 exclusively, and at that setting some prediction / weird behaviour is very noticable: http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg
Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.
Its the closest we've got to 100% atm.
Also it looks like you can't draw spirals lol, and also looks like you're not attempting to draw straight lines, but wavey lines...and I think your windows sensitivity is not 6/11 - each jump at 1600 looks like 2-4 pixels apart...
Nah my Abyssus is closer to 100%. I prefer that one.
Ofc I attempt to draw wavey lines. The prediction makes them appear straight.
Windows sens is 6/11, the 2 pixel jump is the weird behaviour I was talking about.
On June 17 2011 19:36 unfo wrote: I just received my Mico, but I'm going to insta-return it. Sure the buttons are nice, and the shape feels alright too, but I can't stand mice with prediction. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 exclusively, and at that setting some prediction / weird behaviour is very noticable: http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg
Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.
Its the closest we've got to 100% atm.
Also it looks like you can't draw spirals lol, and also looks like you're not attempting to draw straight lines, but wavey lines...and I think your windows sensitivity is not 6/11 - each jump at 1600 looks like 2-4 pixels apart...
Nah my Abyssus is closer to 100%. I prefer that one.
Ofc I attempt to draw wavey lines. The prediction makes them appear straight.
Windows sens is 6/11, the 2 pixel jump is the weird behaviour I was talking about.
Doesn't the abyssus have higher LoD and also jitter on cloth?
all of razer's cords are really thin so they break within like 2 years anyway...
On June 14 2011 16:50 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I absolutely love the shape but 1600 kills it for me. Low dpi wasn't a huge issue in BW but for sc2 it makes a huge deal. You want high dpi and low sensitivity/windows speed...and with 1600 you are going to have to put the sensitivity up pretty damn high. Don't understand how this was made for sc2 with only 1600 dpi.
That's a little more than 1.5x desktops in an inch. i.e. 2 thirds of an inch for your desktop. I'm pretty sure not many people use that kind of sensitivity.
Wow thanks for the ebay heads-up! Damn, now I'm really tempted to order it from there, despite it being about $10 more than the supposed US MSRP... Is prediction really all that bad a thing to have?
Just as I was about to buy this thing I find out there's prediction issues...I guess it's good thing but I was pretty excited to buy it .
Now I have no idea what to new mouse to buy...might just buy another copy of the salmosa though I want something even more lighter and has buttons that are easier to press.
Yeah the 1600 DPI looks emulated. You should only get the mico for the 400 or 800 setting only. There are a few mice that try to emulate a higher DPI just like that and it's garbage.
I've been using it for a few days on 800 dpi. It's flawless. It really is...everything about it is just perfect. But it is true that on 1600 i cant get it to move only 1 pixel up when trying to draw straight lines but its irrelevant to me.
On June 18 2011 18:45 pshych0 wrote: I've been using it for a few days on 800 dpi. It's flawless. It really is...everything about it is just perfect. But it is true that on 1600 i cant get it to move only 1 pixel up when trying to draw straight lines but its irrelevant to me.
It works great on 800 but 1600 has prediction? Ugh... I wanted to buy it specifically with the intention on using it at 1600. I can't think of another mouse that is shaped like this and has 1600+ dpi + is as light as this mouse. I'd say LMO but I've read it's only at like 500 dpi or so...
On May 19 2011 21:18 mardi wrote: Comparison pic i got from a taiwanese/chinese site.
Looks really small.
The mouse on the far right is SO GOOD. I can't emphasize how good that mouse is. It's somewhat old and the DPI isn't the best, but the build quality is amazing. It fits perfectly into my hand.
Sadly it broke after about 5~6 years, and I'm now using a scope node.
On June 19 2011 14:13 LaiShin wrote: Maybe get razer salmosa asian edition on e-bay? They're like 20 bucks. 1800 dpi.
Yeah I checked that out. The issue I have with the salmosa is that the buttons are too hard to press. If they were easier to press I'd just get a new salmosa since this one is pretty old. I assume the asian edition probably has similar feeling buttons...
Any other reports on the Zowie EC2? Does it have prediction issues as well? That looks like a decent alternative based on Ghostface_Killa's nice review.
so the problem seems to be that they emulated 1600dpi instead of giving it real 1600dpi?
thats a shame as the shape is perfectly what i would want and the buttons sound amazing, currently using a salmosa and was looking to but this mico due to a few anoyances with the shape and the buttons of the salmosa...but i guess not...will keep looking into it though T_T it looks like they really did get the perfect shape too lol
On June 23 2011 15:01 unit wrote: so the problem seems to be that they emulated 1600dpi instead of giving it real 1600dpi?
thats a shame as the shape is perfectly what i would want and the buttons sound amazing, currently using a salmosa and was looking to but this mico due to a few anoyances with the shape and the buttons of the salmosa...but i guess not...will keep looking into it though T_T it looks like they really did get the perfect shape too lol
Yeah this is quite sad if it is true. I also recall the kinzu having the same issues on 1600 dpi. That would make the mico basically a logitech G1...stuck on 800 dpi.
Its disappointing they haven't been able to push this further. Hasn't it been years since they came out with the G3? Even it had something like 2000 dpi, although I recall reading it had some issues with low malfunction speed.
The emulated 1600 dpi is not true. Or you have got a bugged mouse. Look at the last comments in this video review of the zowie mico: I asked the guy if he could look for tracking issues such as emulated dpi, he tested it and had no such problems, could move the mouse without skipping on any dpi.
Try to move the mouse very slowly straight left and right. See if you can move the mouse exaxtly 1 pixel to the right and to the left. If instead of moving just one pixel to the side, the mouse moves exactly 2 pixels every time, then 1 pixel was just skipped and it means that the dpi is not real.
mouse looks interesting, i remember seeing this thread awhile ago but never got to posting. personally, I use a logitech g9x (6000 dpi) and by looking at the comparison to the mx518, the g9x seems very similar in size to mico would be interesting to see how it feels mb I will see sum1 w/ it @ mlg anaheim ^^.
On June 25 2011 08:52 Eiduart wrote: i just got mine from ebay, and yes 1600 dpi is emulated, very sad cos i bought mico for 1600 dpi T_T
That's so disappointing. I wanted to get a mico to upgrade from my salmosa. I might just end up buying the abyssus or if i don't like that i'll buy like 2-3 more salmosas bulk.
On June 25 2011 08:52 Eiduart wrote: i just got mine from ebay, and yes 1600 dpi is emulated, very sad cos i bought mico for 1600 dpi T_T
That's so disappointing. I wanted to get a mico to upgrade from my salmosa. I might just end up buying the abyssus or if i don't like that i'll buy like 2-3 more salmosas bulk.
I heard salmosa have prediction/acceleration, i'd get abysus if i were you.
On June 25 2011 08:52 Eiduart wrote: i just got mine from ebay, and yes 1600 dpi is emulated, very sad cos i bought mico for 1600 dpi T_T
That's so disappointing. I wanted to get a mico to upgrade from my salmosa. I might just end up buying the abyssus or if i don't like that i'll buy like 2-3 more salmosas bulk.
I heard salmosa have prediction/acceleration, i'd get abysus if i were you.
Well I have had the salmosa for....4 years now? I am very happy with it so it's not a concern of whether or not I will like the salmosa, it's more a concern of whether or not the abyssus is worth it.
It does have prediction naturally but you can turn it off (if you turn off "on-the-fly sensitivity").
On June 25 2011 08:52 Eiduart wrote: i just got mine from ebay, and yes 1600 dpi is emulated, very sad cos i bought mico for 1600 dpi T_T
That's so disappointing. I wanted to get a mico to upgrade from my salmosa. I might just end up buying the abyssus or if i don't like that i'll buy like 2-3 more salmosas bulk.
I heard salmosa have prediction/acceleration, i'd get abysus if i were you.
Well I have had the salmosa for....4 years now? I am very happy with it so it's not a concern of whether or not I will like the salmosa, it's more a concern of whether or not the abyssus is worth it.
It does have prediction naturally but you can turn it off (if you turn off "on-the-fly sensitivity").
Edit:
There is no acceleration on it either.
Abyssus is definitely worthed it, i think for claw/fingertip users who use more than 800 dpi, our choices are abyssus / g9x (gripless)
This Zowie Mico is a perfect mouse, remember my old Logitech Mini optical. Before this i test Abyssus, G9x and Xai but now definitely play with Mico. I use it @ 800 Dpi and she perfect. Sorry for my poor English. : )
Mine arrived this morning and, with myself being incredibly pedantic when it comes to mice, it feels utterly flawless. That said, I've yet to reproduce the 1600 DPI bug because I've used 400 DPI since forever and thus far, I have not felt the need to try anything higher.
Well, I mean.. I did play around the with DPI changer to see all the pretty colours.
I honestly cannot find anything that I dislike about the mouse. Even the build quality feels superb, which is surprising, considering it came from a relatively lesser known brand. Also, it goes wonderfully well with my G-TF pad.
Still waiting for mine to arrive... I think my current (just a cheap logitech) mouse is 1000dpi, so if 1600dpi really is problematic I'll probably just use my mico at 800 ^.^
Hi guys, sorry for being the newbie.. but what does prediction mean and why does DPI really matter?
Im a diamond level terran player and I have been using the razer copperhead for years now.. and looking for a new mouse. any good reviews/help would be much much appreciated!!
On April 21 2011 16:40 stafu wrote: 1600 DPI means you move 1.2 inches to move the mouse cursor from the far left of your screen to the far right at 1920x1080. If that is too slow, you're playing with far too high sensitivity, and will probably give yourself RSI.
Just because the pros are fast, it in no way means they are playing with ridiculously high sensitivities like that. In fact there are videos of players like NaDa playing BW using the 400 DPI Mini Optical that all the BW pros use, and it looks like he actually keeps it at 1:1 (which would be best, rather than having pixel skipping).
Not only do I disagree with you about the RSI (in fact I'd say that lower DPI is more likely to give RSI, I don't know why you'd say otherwise), but I also disagree that pros are not using sensitives of 1600 and higher. You to realize that DPI's sensitivity is completely dependent on the resolution being run. Starcraft Brood War runs at 640x480 resolution, so 400-800 DPI can work there. 1920x1080 is not the highest resolution people run at. I can run at 2048 x 1536, and many people run at 1920x1200. Personally, I even met someone who runs at 3200x2400.
On June 28 2011 03:31 EricCartman wrote: Hi guys, sorry for being the newbie.. but what does prediction mean and why does DPI really matter?
Im a diamond level terran player and I have been using the razer copperhead for years now.. and looking for a new mouse. any good reviews/help would be much much appreciated!!
thanks!
This isn't the place to really post that, but: The right mouse for you depends on several factors: • DPI requirements — higher sensitivity needs higher DPI. Sensitivity based off DPI scales with resolution so you need higher DPI to run programs & Operating System at a higher resolution. • Optical/laser preference • Wired/wireless preference (as far as I understand, qwireless is not significantly slower now, but still costs more, as well as costs batteries and/or recharging. • ERGONOMICS/COMFORT/GRIP-STYLE. Generally there's 2 ways of holding a mouse that people categorize... claw style and palm style. One is where your fingers are bent more so mostly the fingertips are just touching the buttons (from what I understand), and most of the palm is not touching the mouse. Palm grip is where the hand relaxes on the mouse and is more flat. I have always been amazed at how poorly these grips are described (maybe because it is more complicated than how I said it?). • Price. Pretty big limiting factor for some people, like me
3 recommendations, mostly palm-type ones, cause that's what I'm into: Myonix Naos, Logitech G500, Microsoft SideWinder X8
On April 21 2011 16:40 stafu wrote: 1600 DPI means you move 1.2 inches to move the mouse cursor from the far left of your screen to the far right at 1920x1080. If that is too slow, you're playing with far too high sensitivity, and will probably give yourself RSI.
Just because the pros are fast, it in no way means they are playing with ridiculously high sensitivities like that. In fact there are videos of players like NaDa playing BW using the 400 DPI Mini Optical that all the BW pros use, and it looks like he actually keeps it at 1:1 (which would be best, rather than having pixel skipping).
Not only do I disagree with you about the RSI (in fact I'd say that lower DPI is more likely to give RSI, I don't know why you'd say otherwise), but I also disagree that pros are not using sensitives of 1600 and higher. You to realize that DPI's sensitivity is completely dependent on the resolution being run. Starcraft Brood War runs at 640x480 resolution, so 400-800 DPI can work there. 1920x1080 is not the highest resolution people run at. I can run at 2048 x 1536, and many people run at 1920x1200. Personally, I even met someone who runs at 3200x2400.
No pros are using anything higher than 1920x1080 (except possibly 1920x1200 but still, no horizontal change), I can tell you that much. Furthermore, the most common mouse used in GSL is G1, which is 1000 dpi, and the description of the Zowie Mico which was designed with StarTale specifically states that the players wanted 800 dpi as an option as that's what most wanted.
Regarding RSI, with smaller movements you tense your wrist far more, and additionally smaller movements decrease blood-flow compared to larger less-tensed movements.
looks pretty good, the price point is very attractive but sadly, after getting used using my g9x at 4800dpi, no way im gonna use a 1600 dpi mouse and gonna have to move my mouse all over the place :o
I would love to try a small mouse like this one, but I'm only going to buy it if the 1600 dpi setting isn't emulated. I've heard different reviews here in this thread, so now I'm unsure on wheather to buy it or not...
On June 28 2011 09:52 stafu wrote: No pros are using anything higher than 1920x1080 (except possibly 1920x1200 but still, no horizontal change), I can tell you that much. Furthermore, the most common mouse used in GSL is G1, which is 1000 dpi, and the description of the Zowie Mico which was designed with StarTale specifically states that the players wanted 800 dpi as an option as that's what most wanted.
Regarding RSI, with smaller movements you tense your wrist far more, and additionally smaller movements decrease blood-flow compared to larger less-tensed movements.
People can use a G1 if they want to play SC2 at lower resolution, fine. Just because some professionals do it doesn't mean it's the best choice. Maybe they play in 1080, but then their sensitivity preference would just be low. Not everyone (I would say not even a majority) likes low sensitivity, and 800-1000 DPI does not cover them.
I doubt you have any proof (as opposed to just an indication) of what you say about G1's use in GSL among ALL players. Even if it was true, it does not mean much, since technically if 52 people each had their own model of mouse, but 3 had G1s, that would make G1s the most common, even though they consist of less than 6%. To prove a point about DPI, one should take a look at the average max DPI of mice, and/or the average DPI used for the user.
I don't see how smaller movements tense a wrist more... that doesn't make any sense at all to me. With small enough movements with my mouse, my wrist doesn't even move, just my fingers. I also don't see what blood flow has to do with it (if it even does change much). The biggest thing to help RSI would be to use an ergonomic mouse. Mice that are ambidextrous are not as ergonomic, especially smaller mice like the Mico (at least for medium to large hands), or older mice like the G1.
On June 29 2011 18:13 Xapti wrote: I don't see how smaller movements tense a wrist more... that doesn't make any sense at all to me. With small enough movements with my mouse, my wrist doesn't even move, just my fingers. I also don't see what blood flow has to do with it (if it even does change much). The biggest thing to help RSI would be to use an ergonomic mouse. Mice that are ambidextrous are not as ergonomic, especially smaller mice like the Mico (at least for medium to large hands), or older mice like the G1.
With precise movements, I tend to tense up my whole wrist/finger/arm area just to get it to move that little bit. With low sens, i can just use my entire shoulder to move it and it still doesn't go that far.
Thus it relieves tension from wrist, and places it on the shoulder/arm, where there is no RSI.
On June 29 2011 00:11 Khenra wrote: I would love to try a small mouse like this one, but I'm only going to buy it if the 1600 dpi setting isn't emulated. I've heard different reviews here in this thread, so now I'm unsure on wheather to buy it or not...
Do not get this mouse if you want to use it at 1600 DPI.
A good alternative would be the Razer Abyssus, which can run at 1800 DPI (3500 max).
On June 28 2011 09:52 stafu wrote: No pros are using anything higher than 1920x1080 (except possibly 1920x1200 but still, no horizontal change), I can tell you that much. Furthermore, the most common mouse used in GSL is G1, which is 1000 dpi, and the description of the Zowie Mico which was designed with StarTale specifically states that the players wanted 800 dpi as an option as that's what most wanted.
Regarding RSI, with smaller movements you tense your wrist far more, and additionally smaller movements decrease blood-flow compared to larger less-tensed movements.
People can use a G1 if they want to play SC2 at lower resolution, fine. Just because some professionals do it doesn't mean it's the best choice. Maybe they play in 1080, but then their sensitivity preference would just be low. Not everyone (I would say not even a majority) likes low sensitivity, and 800-1000 DPI does not cover them.
I doubt you have any proof (as opposed to just an indication) of what you say about G1's use in GSL among ALL players. Even if it was true, it does not mean much, since technically if 52 people each had their own model of mouse, but 3 had G1s, that would make G1s the most common, even though they consist of less than 6%. To prove a point about DPI, one should take a look at the average max DPI of mice, and/or the average DPI used for the user.
I don't see how smaller movements tense a wrist more... that doesn't make any sense at all to me. With small enough movements with my mouse, my wrist doesn't even move, just my fingers. I also don't see what blood flow has to do with it (if it even does change much). The biggest thing to help RSI would be to use an ergonomic mouse. Mice that are ambidextrous are not as ergonomic, especially smaller mice like the Mico (at least for medium to large hands), or older mice like the G1.
Proof? Every time they introduce a player before a match in GSL you can see their mouse, and it's very often a G1. I didn't say EVERY player uses them, I said it was the most common - which it clearly, observably is. I'm watching Code-S so far and every player bar fruitdealer so far is using a G1 (TOP, Genius and Virus). This thread shows what I mean. Also I think a lot of the reports of MX300s are likely misidentified G1s (MX300 is 400 dpi fyi).
Blood flow plays a huge role in RSI and smaller movements (or your wrist not moving at all...) obviously decrease blood flow, that's just biological. From an article on RSI triggers:
They are not normal full range muscle movements, and as such can restrict blood flow to those muscles. These muscles are very fatigued after working at a computer, and need blood flow for their supply of oxygen. Over time, these muscles can degenerate into a state of permanent fatigue, and are in continual pain. Tendons are stretched because of these tight muscles and cause pain propagation into the hands and fingers.
Also from another TL thread on a similar topic:
To add, if you are using high sensitivities you are putting quite considerable more force to grip the mouse, because you have to be so accurate moving the house so little you have to grip quite hard, so added on with moving the mouse less and promoting less bloodflow you are putting alot of stress on your fingers and your wrist. Building blocks of many hand RSI's.
On June 23 2011 19:05 TwilightRain wrote: The emulated 1600 dpi is not true. Or you have got a bugged mouse. Look at the last comments in this video review of the zowie mico: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aNYX26Gu8M I asked the guy if he could look for tracking issues such as emulated dpi, he tested it and had no such problems, could move the mouse without skipping on any dpi.
So I just received my Mico, but I'm gonna insta-return it. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 dpi exclusively, and at this setting there was some very noticable prediction / weird behaviour. ( http://imgur.com/hzDSL )
Not sure if this would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.
On June 29 2011 18:13 Xapti wrote: I doubt you have any proof (as opposed to just an indication) of what you say about G1's use in GSL among ALL players. Even if it was true, it does not mean much, since technically if 52 people each had their own model of mouse, but 3 had G1s, that would make G1s the most common, even though they consist of less than 6%. To prove a point about DPI, one should take a look at the average max DPI of mice, and/or the average DPI used for the user.
Proof? Every time they introduce a player before a match in GSL you can see their mouse, and it's very often a G1. I didn't say EVERY player uses them, I said it was the most common - which it clearly, observably is. I'm watching Code-S so far and every player bar fruitdealer so far is using a G1 (TOP, Genius and Virus). This thread shows what I mean. Also I think a lot of the reports of MX300s are likely misidentified G1s (MX300 is 400 dpi fyi).
That's not proof. When I said ALL GSL I meant over all divisions and.or seasons. GSL open, Code A, code B, and code S, etc. have many players, and I would say is unlikely to gauge the quantity of a certain mouse. If you want to say out of top 40 korean GSL players, G1 is the most common mouse, then that's fine, but the wording you used was very poor. Andd I heard MX series mice are all 800 DPI.
In fact I even went to take the time to look at that tread linked in more depth (originally I didn't want to waste my time, and I still don't know why I did just now). I counted all players mentioned (not just GSL) for what seemed to be the most common mice. • 8 or 9 were G1s • 9 or 10 (or possibly 11) deathadders. • 7 or 8 G9/G9x, a mouse with pretty much the highest max DPI around. You can MAYBE (I still don't think it's provable) that G1 is the most common, but overall mice similar to the G1 and/or low-DPI mice are in a considerable minority, which I think says A LOT more than just that one mouse is common (especially the fact that it's just in one tournament [series]).
My main point is it's a flawed argument to make or infer a claim like "because a low-DPI mouse is common, the majority of mice are at a low DPI". If you look at the overall list of mice used, the majority have a high or standard max DPI of around 1600-5600 (and Mico cannot seem to do 1600).
On June 30 2011 13:32 Xapti wrote: That's not proof. When I said ALL GSL I meant over all divisions and.or seasons. GSL open, Code A, code B, and code S, etc. have many players, and I would say is unlikely to gauge the quantity of a certain mouse. If you want to say out of top 40 korean GSL players, G1 is the most common mouse, then that's fine, but the wording you used was very poor. Andd I heard MX series mice are all 800 DPI.
In fact I even went to take the time to look at that tread linked in more depth (originally I didn't want to waste my time, and I still don't know why I did just now). I counted all players mentioned (not just GSL) for what seemed to be the most common mice. • 8 or 9 were G1s • 9 or 10 (or possibly 11) deathadders. • 7 or 8 G9/G9x, a mouse with pretty much the highest max DPI around. You can MAYBE (I still don't think it's provable) that G1 is the most common, but overall mice similar to the G1 and/or low-DPI mice are in a considerable minority, which I think says A LOT more than just that one mouse is common (especially the fact that it's just in one tournament [series]).
My main point is it's a flawed argument to make or infer a claim like "because a low-DPI mouse is common, the majority of mice are at a low DPI". If you look at the overall list of mice used, the majority have a high or standard max DPI of around 1600-5600 (and Mico cannot seem to do 1600).
I like how you use the "max dpi" as an argument when most of them can easily use 800/900 dpi which probably adds to the appeal. So I'm pretty sure you don't realize your own flawed argument.
I got my mouse today and I must say that its not that big of a deal. The mouse got some weird prediction. Sometimes there is some kind of prediction but you cant always feel like you have it. In my opinion its a little to "slippery" and the coating isnt correct placed for grip when using claw-grip. Need to try some more.
i understand most of those postings around here but i still would not get/recommend that mouse to anyone who want even a little bit of personalisation.
2 settings only to choose (400 and 800 dpi) plus 1 unuseable (1600 emulated) due to prediction is unacceptable with a modern gaming mouse (imo).
Why are so few mouses have stepless dpi-customisation and not huge jumps like 400-800-1600?
As far as i see it, lots of people would prefer something in between. (eg. me who is playing at 1150 in SC2 and 950 in most FPS.)
no, and i won't get it because of the exact reason i described above.
400 and 800 dpi is too low for me and 1600 is first of all too high for me and 2nd of all it seems (what i read in this thread) that there is prediction (or at least some weird behaviour).
therefore i will not get this mouse. simple as that.
and because there are only 3 steps you can choose from, i will not recommend it to anybody else who doesn't exactly use one of these (and knows that he/she really likes it). the chance that the perfect dpi for each individual person is one of those 3 is too slim.
Ordered a mico via eBay, according to the tracking it should get here either today or tomorrow, so I'll be able to give my impressions. I'm currently using an Abyssus, which for me is the best mouse I've ever used, but I'm hoping the mico can give it a run for its money. I also own a Salmosa Asian edition (too small for me), kinzu (terrible mouse feet, buttons are too stiff), and G9X (good but I still like the abyssus better). So we'll see. I use the abyssus at 1800 DPI and I'm pretty used to that speed, so if it turns out the Mico's emulated 1600 DPI is too weird/unusable then that would be pretty disappointing.
Awesome shape and body, feels great in my hand (I never owned a Logitech mini optical but since apparently this mouse is pretty much the same shape, I can see why the mini optical was so popular). Small mouse feet, glides very smoothly on my Func 1030 mousepad.
1600 DPI works fine for me, it might or might not be emulated but it behaves well enough that I don't really notice anything weird (at least for my purposes, which is only general computer use and SC2).
In terms of size, there are comparison pics out there, but I will say that the body feels closer in shape/size to my abyssus than my Salmosa Asian edition. I have very small hands, but the Salmosa Asian was basically impossible to palm, whereas my hands are almost small enough to actually palm the Mico. Of course, the claw grip is very comfortable with the Mico.
I've played two games of SC2 on it so far. My only concern right now is that the buttons are quite a bit stiffer than what I'm used to, coming from an Abyssus. The abyssus has a crisp, tactile click, but it requires very little force. Same with the Salmosa. The Mico buttons also have a satisfying click to them, but it feels different and also requires more force, and when I'm clicking madly in the middle of a SC2 game that extra force adds up. I'm hoping that as I use it more the buttons will "break in" or I'll get more used to it...we'll see. I'll be using this as my main mouse for now.
On June 30 2011 15:08 Glockateer wrote: I like how you use the "max dpi" as an argument when most of them can easily use 800/900 dpi which probably adds to the appeal. So I'm pretty sure you don't realize your own flawed argument.
It's ironic you say that my argument is flawed, since I have no claim saying professional players are using high DPI. I said previously that DPI a player is playing at is the important stastic to know, not just the mouse they use. Trouble is, knowing the DPI a player uses is very difficult, and essentially needs to be asked on an individual basis, and that information is not available AFAIK. My main argument is mostly about breaking down the validity of any of the claims made, not making my own claims. Why are you suggesting that they are using at 800 DPI?
Argh I want it badly... still not in stock, hope I get it on monday and then I will post a small review. I got the Zowie G-RF mousemat today atleast. Its huge. 44x38cm. Really smooth and fast glide. I would really recommend it. Probably works great for MiCO
I'm on my second day of having the mico and I'm starting to like it quite a bit. Played maybe ~15 games of sc2 so far on it, all on 1600 DPI. A couple missed rally points and things like that throughout the games but it's a bit moreso due to getting used to the mouse than anything. Haven't noticed anything too weird with the 1600 DPI setting, but again, I'm not really using the mouse for anything that requires the cursor to be super precise.
Biggest complaint (or rather, what I'm not used to) so far is still that the buttons are a bit stiff. If the buttons took the same pressure to actuate as the abyssus, I would say this is close to the perfect mouse. But as it is, I'll use this for a few more weeks and see if I get used to the buttons.
On July 02 2011 03:00 DueleR wrote: I'm on my second day of having the mico and I'm starting to like it quite a bit. Played maybe ~15 games of sc2 so far on it, all on 1600 DPI. A couple missed rally points and things like that throughout the games but it's a bit moreso due to getting used to the mouse than anything. Haven't noticed anything too weird with the 1600 DPI setting, but again, I'm not really using the mouse for anything that requires the cursor to be super precise.
Biggest complaint (or rather, what I'm not used to) so far is still that the buttons are a bit stiff. If the buttons took the same pressure to actuate as the abyssus, I would say this is close to the perfect mouse. But as it is, I'll use this for a few more weeks and see if I get used to the buttons.
the switches were 100G switches that i heard were pretty crisp/ tactile versus most mice according to overclock.net... does anybody have a chart that lists various switch types in mice?
On July 02 2011 03:00 DueleR wrote: I'm on my second day of having the mico and I'm starting to like it quite a bit. Played maybe ~15 games of sc2 so far on it, all on 1600 DPI. A couple missed rally points and things like that throughout the games but it's a bit moreso due to getting used to the mouse than anything. Haven't noticed anything too weird with the 1600 DPI setting, but again, I'm not really using the mouse for anything that requires the cursor to be super precise.
Biggest complaint (or rather, what I'm not used to) so far is still that the buttons are a bit stiff. If the buttons took the same pressure to actuate as the abyssus, I would say this is close to the perfect mouse. But as it is, I'll use this for a few more weeks and see if I get used to the buttons.
the switches were 100G switches that i heard were pretty crisp/ tactile versus most mice according to overclock.net... does anybody have a chart that lists various switch types in mice?
Yea, they are extremely crisp and tactile, and have a very satisfying click to them. It's just that it takes a little too much force to depress, at least compared to what I'm used to. I don't notice it during normal computer use but when I'm spamming clicks in SC2 the difference in force is required is noticeable vs. my abyssus and other mice I've used.
positive accelaration is almost always on very old mouse or laser mouses but not much on optical mouses there for they chose the optical sensor way more thrust worhty then laser it looks good mouse but the thumb sides are bad plastic it must be nice rubber i stay with my salmosa ^^
On July 02 2011 03:00 DueleR wrote: I'm on my second day of having the mico and I'm starting to like it quite a bit. Played maybe ~15 games of sc2 so far on it, all on 1600 DPI. A couple missed rally points and things like that throughout the games but it's a bit moreso due to getting used to the mouse than anything. Haven't noticed anything too weird with the 1600 DPI setting, but again, I'm not really using the mouse for anything that requires the cursor to be super precise.
Biggest complaint (or rather, what I'm not used to) so far is still that the buttons are a bit stiff. If the buttons took the same pressure to actuate as the abyssus, I would say this is close to the perfect mouse. But as it is, I'll use this for a few more weeks and see if I get used to the buttons.
the switches were 100G switches that i heard were pretty crisp/ tactile versus most mice according to overclock.net... does anybody have a chart that lists various switch types in mice?
Yea, they are extremely crisp and tactile, and have a very satisfying click to them. It's just that it takes a little too much force to depress, at least compared to what I'm used to. I don't notice it during normal computer use but when I'm spamming clicks in SC2 the difference in force is required is noticeable vs. my abyssus and other mice I've used.
The razor mice are known for their really good mouse buttons. Have you ever used a kinzu before? If so, are the switches similar in the sense of the force needed to press down and click? Ive always felt that was a little issue with the kinzu and im wondering if it's as I think it is on the mico.
On July 02 2011 03:00 DueleR wrote: I'm on my second day of having the mico and I'm starting to like it quite a bit. Played maybe ~15 games of sc2 so far on it, all on 1600 DPI. A couple missed rally points and things like that throughout the games but it's a bit moreso due to getting used to the mouse than anything. Haven't noticed anything too weird with the 1600 DPI setting, but again, I'm not really using the mouse for anything that requires the cursor to be super precise.
Biggest complaint (or rather, what I'm not used to) so far is still that the buttons are a bit stiff. If the buttons took the same pressure to actuate as the abyssus, I would say this is close to the perfect mouse. But as it is, I'll use this for a few more weeks and see if I get used to the buttons.
the switches were 100G switches that i heard were pretty crisp/ tactile versus most mice according to overclock.net... does anybody have a chart that lists various switch types in mice?
Yea, they are extremely crisp and tactile, and have a very satisfying click to them. It's just that it takes a little too much force to depress, at least compared to what I'm used to. I don't notice it during normal computer use but when I'm spamming clicks in SC2 the difference in force is required is noticeable vs. my abyssus and other mice I've used.
The razor mice are known for their really good mouse buttons. Have you ever used a kinzu before? If so, are the switches similar in the sense of the force needed to press down and click? Ive always felt that was a little issue with the kinzu and im wondering if it's as I think it is on the mico.
Yup, I do own a Kinzu as well. I bought it to see how it compared to my Abyssus, and after using the Kinzu for less than a day I went back to my Abyssus because I didn't like the Kinzu's mouse skates (plastic, didn't glide well) and also its buttons, which I felt were harder to press than my Razer and also not as tactile.
After comparing the Mico and the Kinzu, I would say that the Mico's buttons actually require more force to depress than then Kinzu (so in terms of force required it would be Mico > Kinzu > Abyssus), BUT the Mico's buttons nevertheless "feel" better in the sense that they are more clicky and give a better response. So I would give the edge to the Mico in that regard.
On July 03 2011 19:34 Regan123 wrote: I don't see how it's better than deathadder, unless you like the form better. I loved my MS IE 3.0, that's why I think I'm gonna buy DA instead.
The shape is pretty much the whole point of this mouse. It's the smallest and lightest mouse on the gamer's market at the moment.
I still haven't recieved mine. I can't wait! I ordered a Zowie mousepad to go along with it, as well as the Roccat mouse bungee ripoff.
The click on the kinzu is not a problem. Just switch skates and it is great. But the best click on any mouse iv tried so far is my Logitech G1. Hope the mico can be my new favorite so i can clean my desk ^^
On July 04 2011 15:27 djcube wrote: Dang, I really wanna try out this mouse, but I can't justify buying it when my salmosa is working perfectly fine.
Btw, is this not in the US yet or where is everyone getting theirs from?
As far as I can tell, it's not out in the US yet. Zowie initially said June 1st, then it came out in other countries in June, while Zowie said (on their facebook page) that they expected it to be available in North America on July 1st. Still no release here though, but then again it's been a holiday weekend.
I got mine from ebay, shipped from China. After using it for 4 or 5 days now, and having an abyssus (which is more or less the same as the Salmosa from what I've read), I would say I'm still undecided whether or not I'm going to stick with the Mico long-term. It's a great, great mouse, but the Abyssus might suit me a bit better because it has a lighter click and I've gotten used to that. The shape of the Mico fits my hands almost perfectly though, so it's a tough decision.
I just checked with the U.S. distributor, they should arrive on Amazon and Newegg early next week.
We are sorry about the delay!"
Hopefully it is true, can't wait to get one
i almost bought the bulk-syle SS kinzu last night from korea but i'm glad i waited. the abby is on my list also...but I really like the zowie mico reviews. thank you for the update
Mine finally arrived today! So far I like it very much - the shape is wonderful, and I don't find the buttons too hard to press. In fact I <3 their clickiness. My only complaint is the difference between 800 and 1600 dpi is too big. I'd like maybe a 1200 dpi option in between. But I can deal with that by using 800 for normal usage and 1600 with low ingame sensitivity in SC2.
May be temporarily trading mice with my friend who owns an abyssus soon, since we both want to try the other's mouse! :o
Just wanted to give an update and say that I've had this mouse for a week now and I'm liking it more and more! The first few days I was really tempted to go back to my abyssus, but now, whether it's through a combination of the buttons breaking in or my fingers getting used to the pressure, I don't really notice anymore that the buttons are "stiff".
I've played a good hundred games of SC2 or so with the mico and I'm about as smooth/fast with it as I was with my abyssus. I had a bunch of misclicks in the first few days with the Mico but not anymore, and the shape of the Mico fits my hand a lot better, so I might just stay with it as my permanent mouse (until the next big thing comes along and catches my eye...)
On July 08 2011 11:47 DueleR wrote: Just wanted to give an update and say that I've had this mouse for a week now and I'm liking it more and more! The first few days I was really tempted to go back to my abyssus, but now, whether it's through a combination of the buttons breaking in or my fingers getting used to the pressure, I don't really notice anymore that the buttons are "stiff".
I've played a good hundred games of SC2 or so with the mico and I'm about as smooth/fast with it as I was with my abyssus. I had a bunch of misclicks in the first few days with the Mico but not anymore, and the shape of the Mico fits my hand a lot better, so I might just stay with it as my permanent mouse (until the next big thing comes along and catches my eye...)
What DPI are you using? I have a salmosa and I wanted to upgrade to a mico but the emulated, pixel-jumping 1600 dpi scared me off. That + the stiffness of the buttons. Am considering just getting the abyssus...I guess you'd recommend the mico over the abyssus?
On July 08 2011 11:47 DueleR wrote: Just wanted to give an update and say that I've had this mouse for a week now and I'm liking it more and more! The first few days I was really tempted to go back to my abyssus, but now, whether it's through a combination of the buttons breaking in or my fingers getting used to the pressure, I don't really notice anymore that the buttons are "stiff".
I've played a good hundred games of SC2 or so with the mico and I'm about as smooth/fast with it as I was with my abyssus. I had a bunch of misclicks in the first few days with the Mico but not anymore, and the shape of the Mico fits my hand a lot better, so I might just stay with it as my permanent mouse (until the next big thing comes along and catches my eye...)
What DPI are you using? I have a salmosa and I wanted to upgrade to a mico but the emulated, pixel-jumping 1600 dpi scared me off. That + the stiffness of the buttons. Am considering just getting the abyssus...I guess you'd recommend the mico over the abyssus?
Hm, it's hard to call, but if you like/are used to the Salmosa and you're used to the size, I would say get the abyssus. The Mico is a bit smaller (and I have very small hands) so the shape is perfect for me, but I like the abyssus a lot as well. They're both good enough to the point where I think it really comes down to user preference/familiarity. For example, the mico might be better for those who are used to a logitech mini-optical, whereas an abyssus would be an easier switch for someone coming from the salmosa.
I use my mico at 1600 DPI. I dont do anything that requires me to be too precise such that pixel-skipping is a concern, and to be honest, if people hadn't posted about the 1600 DPI being emulated, I never would have known that anything was off about it. It feels very comparable to my abyssus @ 1800 DPI. But again, I'm no expert and I don't do anything like graphic design, just general computer use + SC2.
I just got mine and played two games so far. Im not used to such a small mouse, my fingers are very long also so this is probably not most suitable for me. But I still like it, I use 800 DPI and it works great. I love the purple light on the scroll. I also like the fact that there are no useless sidebuttons. This mouse is so clean and simple. The only bad thing is, as mentioned before, the stiffness when you click. Im used to Logitech MX518 which has much lighter clicks. I guess one will adjust to it in some weeks.
On July 08 2011 23:13 cellblock wrote: I just got mine and played two games so far. Im not used to such a small mouse, my fingers are very long also so this is probably not most suitable for me. But I still like it, I use 800 DPI and it works great. I love the purple light on the scroll. I also like the fact that there are no useless sidebuttons. This mouse is so clean and simple. The only bad thing is, as mentioned before, the stiffness when you click. Im used to Logitech MX518 which has much lighter clicks. I guess one will adjust to it in some weeks.
Yea, I've gotten more used to the pressure required to click the Mico now after using it for a while, so I don't really notice it anymore. However, if I use (for example) my abyssus for a while and then go back to the Mico, I feel it again and it takes a couple minutes to adjust. But it's definitely much less of a concern for me now than when I first got it.
I just got one but instantly decided to try and return it (I hope they will allow me). The mouse is simply too small. There's no way to rest your hand on it like you can on the Logitech G1 (which I've been using for years and years).
On July 09 2011 03:14 Kenchu wrote: I just got one but instantly decided to try and return it (I hope they will allow me). The mouse is simply too small. There's no way to rest your hand on it like you can on the Logitech G1 (which I've been using for years and years).
It is a fingertip grip mouse, you dont put your whole hand on it, you use your five fingers to grip the whole thing and its quite comfortable when you use either the fingertip grip or the claw grip. The reason why people are buying it is because its a ridiculously small mouse (the size of the LMO) and has reasonable DPI (1600)
On July 09 2011 03:14 Kenchu wrote: I just got one but instantly decided to try and return it (I hope they will allow me). The mouse is simply too small. There's no way to rest your hand on it like you can on the Logitech G1 (which I've been using for years and years).
I don't palm the G1, but I rest a part of the hand on it a tiny bit. Just where the palm ends and fingers start touch the back of the mouse. That isn't possible for me with the Zowie MiCO.
Maybe rest isnt the right word. It's more like touch.
On July 10 2011 06:18 Kenchu wrote: I don't palm the G1, but I rest a part of the hand on it a tiny bit. Just where the palm ends and fingers start touch the back of the mouse. That isn't possible for me with the Zowie MiCO.
Maybe rest isnt the right word. It's more like touch.
so you kinda claw it? like your hand is in a claw shape? sounds like typical G1 hold. that or finger
To people that own this mouse, are the buttons breaking in? I would use it at 800 DPI so the emulated 1600 DPI wouldn't be an issue, but I'm worried that I wouldn't get used to the stiffness of the buttons.
On July 10 2011 14:06 LordLuo wrote: To people that own this mouse, are the buttons breaking in? I would use it at 800 DPI so the emulated 1600 DPI wouldn't be an issue, but I'm worried that I wouldn't get used to the stiffness of the buttons.
On July 10 2011 14:06 LordLuo wrote: To people that own this mouse, are the buttons breaking in? I would use it at 800 DPI so the emulated 1600 DPI wouldn't be an issue, but I'm worried that I wouldn't get used to the stiffness of the buttons.
Like I posted, I think they are breaking in a little bit, but it's hard to say for sure because I don't have a new mico to compare, and I'm sure some of my familiarity comes from having used the mico for about a week and a half now and getting used to it.
It's hard to describe the click because it's unlike any mouse I've used before, and Zowie's write-up said they had custom switches designed for it, so it might be unique as far as I know. My first impression was that it was stiff, but it's also a very crisp/satisfying click and feels very responsive, so I kind of like it now.
I still would prefer that it required less pressure (and using my abyssus and mico back to back, there is still quite a noticeable difference in the click pressure) but all and all I am very satisfied with my purchase.
did someone try to remove the annoying led? I just don't know how to open this mouse, there are also no drivers to turn the led off :/ The problem is even if my pc is off, the mousewheel is still glowing, my g9x is fine.
On July 09 2011 03:14 Kenchu wrote: I just got one but instantly decided to try and return it (I hope they will allow me). The mouse is simply too small. There's no way to rest your hand on it like you can on the Logitech G1 (which I've been using for years and years).
Was quite interested in getting this mouse but sadly there doesn't seem to be a UK distributor. Not sure how the post handles items from the EU but I don't want to go through VAT malarky again. Once was enough.
caseking.de is a (at least in GER) well-known reliable shop that also ships to EU countries, I got mine from there. Click the UK flag below the login-box for the english site, they accept bank transfer, Paypal and Creditcard. Only drawback is the 13,90EUR (over 12GBP) shipping GER->UK. What VAT problems do you mean? There shouldn't be any issues within the EU
Well, I think I have to pay UK VAT on items shipped from the EU which is another 20% on top of the retail price. The main issue is that Customs detains the parcel until you pay which takes ages.
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
Other than that, how do you like it?
It's very nice. I love the size, and I know some people said they found the buttons a little stiff but I actually like the clickiness. Haven't noticed any tracking issues either, and I use 1600dpi for playing SC2. And it slides much more smoothly than my old mouse (admittedly a cheap logitech one).
On July 13 2011 01:51 grudgeStar wrote: Nope, mine doesn't make any squeaking sound.
Damn, so I got unlucky. Wonder if there's any way to introduce WD40 to the scrollwheel! Haha.
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
Other than that, how do you like it?
It's very nice. I love the size, and I know some people said they found the buttons a little stiff but I actually like the clickiness. Haven't noticed any tracking issues either, and I use 1600dpi for playing SC2. And it slides much more smoothly than my old mouse (admittedly a cheap logitech one).
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
mine was also squeaking, I solved this problem with wd40 btw. what tool do you need to open the bottomscrew? I tried with cross screwdriver but it didn't work, seems to be something different.
On July 13 2011 01:22 vincom2 wrote: My mousewheel squeaks when I'm scrolling up (up only; down is fine). Anyone else get this? Any suggestions? It gets annoying
mine was also squeaking, I solved this problem with wd40 btw. what tool do you need to open the bottomscrew? I tried with cross screwdriver but it didn't work, seems to be something different.
Dunno, I haven't tried. So how did you get the WD40 in? Just spray around the scrollwheel area?
It's coming to amazon in the next few days with free shipping with prime.
Amazon, why so slow?? ahhh.....
My thoughts exactly, lol. I've been refreshing that page for the past couple days to see when it will actually become available. I hope it's sooner rather than later. I'd really like to get my hands on one and start using a proper mouse for SC 2.
Got mine a few days ago. I like quite a bit, actually. Easy to control stuff, fits my (smallish) hands nicely and eh.. Haven't noticed any performance issues, doubt it would affect me too much anyway seeing as I suck at the game lol. :3 No sidebuttons is annoying, but I'll live with it.
Despite buying it in Europe (35€ vs 35$) it's definitely worth the price.
The buttons on my old Logitech Mini Optical are also stiffer than the Kinzu buttons. So it seems like they made MiCO's stiff switches on purpose to make it feel just like the LMO.
I have the zowie MiCO which i bought from ebay and i am pretty sure it is legit and it is AMAZING. I havent checked for any accelerations but i have no problems while gaming with it which is the main importance. I use the 1600 dpi aswell and i have no problems with it. The only thing i can see which might annoy people is the scroll it has no feedback or click i find but apart from that brilliant mouse for claw gripping wouldnt reccomend it for anything else
On July 11 2011 23:43 theSAiNT wrote: Well, I think I have to pay UK VAT on items shipped from the EU which is another 20% on top of the retail price. The main issue is that Customs detains the parcel until you pay which takes ages.
Since 1993, you pay VAT only once in the EU
On July 15 2011 22:43 aussie_alexandre wrote: i am pretty sure it is legit [...] The only thing i can see which might annoy people is the scroll it has no feedback or click
The wheel does have a scroll and click feedback. Why are you only 'pretty' sure that it is legit. What kind of shady places do you buy from? o_O
well it does have feedback but like not much if you know what i mean like it doesnt have that hard scroll it is just really easy to scroll and i got it in a zowie box saying mico on it with a zowie sticker inside and so far it feel legit
On July 16 2011 06:11 TwilightRain wrote: Does somebody who did already get the mouse use it with one of the Steelseries QCK mousepads? I need to know if it works with the mico.
I am using it with a razer goliathus control and i have had no problems
Also looks like the consensus is pretty much the same as over here. Good shape, small size such that fingertip/claw is pretty much the only way to hold it, good tracking, good body material, buttons a bit stiff.
Personally, I've been using my mico for about two weeks now and like it a lot for SC2, I'll probably be using it for the foreseeable future instead of going back to my abyssus.
On July 17 2011 08:02 RacerX wrote: Does anyone know where I can find it in stock? Everywhere I've looked it has been sold out or no available yet.
It's going to be on newegg soon.
How big is this mouse compared to the Abyssus and Salmosa Asian edition? I may just getting whichever is smaller between the abyssus and salmosa ae considering the reports about stiff clicks.
Picked up mine today, and damn this mouse is tiny. I actually like the stiff buttons, and they give you really nice feedback. The scroll feedback is not that strong, but it's not too loose. Build quality feels fine and the feet could've been bigger. The shape is unusual for me, so it will take some getting used too(old mouse is zowie EC1), also the dpi settings are a little off. mico@400/800/1600 vs EC1@500/1000/2000.
The mouse feels wierd at 1600dpi in counter strike, i play with pretty low sensitivity. The EC1 is fine at all dpi settings. 800 felt fine, did not test on 400.
On July 17 2011 08:02 RacerX wrote: Does anyone know where I can find it in stock? Everywhere I've looked it has been sold out or no available yet.
It's going to be on newegg soon.
How big is this mouse compared to the Abyssus and Salmosa Asian edition? I may just getting whichever is smaller between the abyssus and salmosa ae considering the reports about stiff clicks.
It Goes in and out of stock on Newegg a lot recently. Just keep checking there. Also it should be available on Amazon sometime this year...
on the zowie site theres a few places in asia, dont know if they have the mico though. I've seen it on ebay but its rather expensive and ive also seen it on esea market
On July 17 2011 08:02 RacerX wrote: Does anyone know where I can find it in stock? Everywhere I've looked it has been sold out or no available yet.
It's going to be on newegg soon.
How big is this mouse compared to the Abyssus and Salmosa Asian edition? I may just getting whichever is smaller between the abyssus and salmosa ae considering the reports about stiff clicks.
Well, I have all these mice, so I decided to take a picture. Left to right is - abyssus, salmosa Asian edition, Mico, Steelseries Kinzu, and a pen for reference purposes (couldn't find a ruler lol...)
One thing I'll say is that although the Mico looks not much bigger than the Salmosa Asian edition, it feels a lot better to grip the Mico. The Salmosa Asian edition is both very small and very low to the mousepad, and it has an odd body shape, so it's not as comfortable for me, whereas the Mico's body is more rounded and I feel like I'm more precise when I grip it.
Wow, thanks a lot for that pic. I'm going to assume the abyssus is roughly the same size as the regular salmosa, which I find slightly too big for claw gripping. Guess I'll go for the mico, but I'm still kind of wary about the stiff clicks.
I bought this and in my opinion the deathadder has a better shape and is more clickable...however the sensor on this mouse is flawless and the dpi after 800 (forgot what it was) works for me at least.
I'm looking for one aswell, I am on the list to be auto-notified by newegg when these come back in stock. I don't really trust the one on Ebay because the guy says he is sending it from china and that it may get caught up in customs or something O.o
It looks like a very nice mouse and is getting great reviews. But I wont buy it as long as the price in dollars is the same as the price in euro. Dont like being ripped off or paying for a companies incompetence in distribution.
On July 20 2011 23:10 Nivity wrote: Bomber used mico today at gsl, blue setting (aint that the 1600dpi one?)
I watched those games today, he was defiantly using it with the purple setting, 800 dpi. I know for sure because I took a screenshot and used the color picker in mspaint. Sure enough it comes out purple and when you zoom in it's easy to tell also.
On July 17 2011 16:12 sennen wrote: I bought this and in my opinion the deathadder has a better shape and is more clickable...however the sensor on this mouse is flawless and the dpi after 800 (forgot what it was) works for me at least.
It's by no means flawless @1600 dpi(Go into an fps game, sens rather low, and turn around fast.). On 400/800 it's seems flawless, so far at least.
Bad News: the housing is improperly set together, making the left and right mouse buttons un-clickable. Can't get the screw to loosen on the bottom, to see if I can fix it.
Bah hopefully I can get it working tomorrow, I don't want to wait another week and a half to RMA it and wait for Newegg to send another. But at least the mouse looks great :/
For everyone who has it, does it feel like the LMO? Weight, buttons (easy to press? reactive?), overall shape? If it's really similar to the LMO but with an updated sensor, I might grab one when it's back in stock on newegg. Got the G1 right now and it's great, but I miss the LMO feeling.
Mmmmm I've heard it feels like the LMO but I haven't received mine yet, I just ordered mine from newegg yesterday but I should be getting mine by fridayish.
On July 22 2011 04:47 UserErrOr413 wrote: Wait 2 months for mouse to be released.
Get sent defective mouse.
Dang that's really unfortunate, I know how you feel. That's happened to me so many times where I'm just like...really? me? out of all the non-defective ones?
Any luck trying to fix it? You're the first post I've seen of someone with that problem, hopefully it's not a widespread thing.
Okay, so, I'm sorry, I really wanted this mouse to succeed for me, and I've struggled to post this so far, but here we go. I'm using the mouse for 5 weeks now and it's heavily starting to glare on the buttons and at the side where I hold it. The grip is gone. I also have the problem of the squeaking scrollwheel that some of you described. Opening the mouse up and closing it again miraculously solves this for half an hour, then it's back. Apart from that, the wheel itself has been linearly degrading into severe unresponsiveness by now. Scrolling in one direction, it will only register about half the scrolls and randomly jump back 1 scroll while at it ("jumping around"). It would takes ages to scroll through a page which really is a pain in the annoys the hell out of me. This mouse is fantastic. Apart from the fact that it's not working properly anymore. So, since I can not afford to buy 10 Micos a year, I'm back to where I started 6 years ago: looking for a mouse.
On July 22 2011 04:47 UserErrOr413 wrote: Wait 2 months for mouse to be released.
Get sent defective mouse.
Dang that's really unfortunate, I know how you feel. That's happened to me so many times where I'm just like...really? me? out of all the non-defective ones?
Any luck trying to fix it? You're the first post I've seen of someone with that problem, hopefully it's not a widespread thing.
Thanks man.
Well, it was defective in that buttons did not click mechanically or electronically. And you could tell looking at the front, it wasn't put together properly. It must have been some kind of assembly error, so fortunately it shouldn't be common. It really shouldn't have made it through quality control.
I tried to fix it, but embarrassingly enough neither me or my dad could get the screw to loosen on the bottom. So no luck there. And since it is brand new we just figured RMA it and get a new one. It wasn't worth the effort to go all out to try and fix it.
So in the end, it is just frustration and shipping fees. I would be surprised if someone else had the same problem.
Just got my Mico from newegg and no problems off the bat, but I'll have to see how it turns out in the coming weeks and months. I was expecting the clicks to be a lot stiffer from all the comments here, but it feels like something I can get used to after a single game of SC (it's not noticeably stiffer than the salmosa clicks, but it's just as loud).
It's a lot thinner than I expected it to be and it will probably take more than a single game of SC to adjust to the size. I remember the LMO having a rounder and wider body, but this one seems long and thin (it's been a long time since I've used an LMO so I may be wrong here).
Also, it's tracking fine with a qck heavy mouse pad. I don't use the 1600 DPI setting in-game, so that is not an issue for me if the mouse really does not have a true setting for that DPI.
-- Well after playing a few games, the click stiffness is noticeable. I'd compare it to like using cherry black key switches (although not as severe) as in it's different at first, but the it's fine once you adapt.
On July 22 2011 06:06 zere wrote: Okay, so, I'm sorry, I really wanted this mouse to succeed for me, and I've struggled to post this so far, but here we go. I'm using the mouse for 5 weeks now and it's heavily starting to glare on the buttons and at the side where I hold it. The grip is gone. I also have the problem of the squeaking scrollwheel that some of you described. Opening the mouse up and closing it again miraculously solves this for half an hour, then it's back. Apart from that, the wheel itself has been linearly degrading into severe unresponsiveness by now. Scrolling in one direction, it will only register about half the scrolls and randomly jump back 1 scroll while at it ("jumping around"). It would takes ages to scroll through a page which really is a pain in the annoys the hell out of me. This mouse is fantastic. Apart from the fact that it's not working properly anymore. So, since I can not afford to buy 10 Micos a year, I'm back to where I started 6 years ago: looking for a mouse.
Can I ask how you opened the mouse? I tried 3 different screwdrivers on it, and none of them got the darn screw to budge even an inch
On July 22 2011 06:06 zere wrote: Okay, so, I'm sorry, I really wanted this mouse to succeed for me, and I've struggled to post this so far, but here we go. I'm using the mouse for 5 weeks now and it's heavily starting to glare on the buttons and at the side where I hold it. The grip is gone. I also have the problem of the squeaking scrollwheel that some of you described. Opening the mouse up and closing it again miraculously solves this for half an hour, then it's back. Apart from that, the wheel itself has been linearly degrading into severe unresponsiveness by now. Scrolling in one direction, it will only register about half the scrolls and randomly jump back 1 scroll while at it ("jumping around"). It would takes ages to scroll through a page which really is a pain in the annoys the hell out of me. This mouse is fantastic. Apart from the fact that it's not working properly anymore. So, since I can not afford to buy 10 Micos a year, I'm back to where I started 6 years ago: looking for a mouse.
Can I ask how you opened the mouse? I tried 3 different screwdrivers on it, and none of them got the darn screw to budge even an inch
^ I had the same issue when attempting to open mine. Curious to know too.
On July 22 2011 06:06 zere wrote: Apart from that, the wheel itself has been linearly degrading into severe unresponsiveness by now. Scrolling in one direction, it will only register about half the scrolls and randomly jump back 1 scroll while at it ("jumping around"). It would takes ages to scroll through a page which really is a pain in the annoys the hell out of me.
I know I've sad a lot of mostly good things about the Mico on this forum, but sadly, this has started happening with my scroll wheel as well. (i've owned it about 3 and a half weeks)
Since Zowie seems to be manufacturing at most 1 mouse a day, and with its zero availability in canuckland, I just put down the cash on a CM Spawn. Its the only other clawgrip mouse out there I'd consider (since the logitechs are hella expensive). Hopefully will be here tomorrow, I'll post some impressions when I get it.
Yeah I think the mouse would be good for fingertip, not really awkward to me at least. I've had mine since last friday and so far its been pretty awesome, the mouse feels extremely comfortable and hasn't had any problems yet.
On July 26 2011 10:36 Giwoon wrote: cute mouse it looks awkward though i use a finger tip grip while playing sc2 anyone think itll be alright considering that mouse is 'made for' claw?
What is the difference between claw and fingertip? I have a Mico and I can see no other way to use this mouse other than only touching it with your fingertips. It's that small.
So. This mofo. I've played a couple of games the other day with it. The shape is very ... weird. Ergonomically, I can tell it will do wonders for your fingers. But initially holding it feels very odd, as if you're holding an old school three-button mouse, or even the feeling that the second mouse button is all the way over to the right where the finger rest is.
Indeed, when I play, I can feel it in the back of my mind that my fingers and wrist are not positioned properly as it would be with a mouse like the Mico ... yet, when I play, I hardly notice it and go about my business as if nothing.
I'm not really one of those OCD-type gaming mouse individuals and I don't really care about who makes the sensor or other crap like that. All I can really testify to is that I just wanted something small to use, and the mouse fits the bill. It feels extremely high quality as well.
It will take some getting used to ... I think? ... but there isn't really much alternatives out there for me in canada, and for 35 bucks, I won't complain.
Pros: Great grip Great sensor Great scroll wheel Light weight
Cons: Non braided cord The mouse feet on the bottom of mine were unlevel
Other: People have been saying that the biggest con to this mouse was that the click was too heavy, and I will say that It is heavy, but its not the worst thing ever. I've never heard of people having problems with the mouse feet being uneven on the bottom of their mouse, and mine are so i don't know whats up with that. Also I found mine on Ebay, I found one that was in the US, it actually arrived in 2 days.
would anyone recommend this mouse after using the Razer Abyssus or Razer Habu? Recently bought the kinzu without doing any research before hand and I have been regretting since the day that it arrived in the mail.
On July 28 2011 16:55 OriginalBeast wrote: Well, I just got my zowie mico in the mail.
I will keep this simple:
Pros: Great grip Great sensor Great scroll wheel Light weight
Cons: Non braided cord The mouse feet on the bottom of mine were unlevel
Other: People have been saying that the biggest con to this mouse was that the click was too heavy, and I will say that It is heavy, but its not the worst thing ever. I've never heard of people having problems with the mouse feet being uneven on the bottom of their mouse, and mine are so i don't know whats up with that. Also I found mine on Ebay, I found one that was in the US, it actually arrived in 2 days.
I've been using this mouse for 2 or 3 weeks and I agree with you, it has great grip, great sensor. But like Zere stated, the scroll wheel isn't that great, it kinda feel cheep compared to the Asian Salmosa and it's degrading really fast ; additionally, the grip wear fast too =( . About the click, it's a little bit harder but i think it doesnt matter at all after 2-3 days
Bah. The U.S. distribution of this mouse has been so disappointing. I don't do e-bay and pay-pal and i'm not going to start just to buy a mouse from some chinese reseller. I've finally caved and am going to get a logitech g9x. Maybe if these come in stock in the U.S. this year I'll try and get one then.
I still like this mouse alot and use it for SC2, but I don't know if I can recommend it anymore because after less than 1 month, the scroll wheel has degraded severely (and it seems like I'm not the only one with this problem judging by the posts in this thread). It's almost unusable now to browse websites because it will randomly skip/jump up and it's very frustrating to use it just to scroll to the bottom of a simple webpage. I've tried cleaning it to no avail. Luckily I don't need scroll wheel for sc2, I still like the shape/size/tracking so I will continue using it, but I've never had this problem with a mouse before. Especially when it's so new.
Hey guys, since this thread helped me decide on my next mouse buy, I feel like I should contribute. So I received the Mico today. First of all, I'm by no mean a PGM and I don't play RTS games (FPS and RPG/H&S mostly) but I always have been a claw gripper. Always hated big mice and the fact high end gaming mice are mostly oversized 2543546 buttons fest 20343435 DPI marketing crap mice.
So here we go:
+ The mouse feels fantastic, much like the LMO (I have 19cm hands from middle fingertip to wrist). + Doesn't look nor feel cheap, but time will tell. + The wheel scroll is not too hard, not too soft. No issue with noise, it's totally silent (so far... EDIT: wheel started squeaking after 1 day use.) + Wheel scroll click is good, not too hard to press, not to soft. + Feet are ultra slippery on my G-TF Speed (ordered it with the mouse. Coming from a 2€ mousepad with a RX250, it's so slippery I'll need some time to adjust).
- The left and right buttons are too stiff for my liking, and noisy. They require too much pressure (or I just lack strenght ;p). I always liked light, short, responsive clicks but iirc they were as stiff on the LMO so the nostalgics won't be disappointed.
No issue with CPU usage due to USB polling rate (Phenom II x4 965, 785G mobo).
Here's the paint prediction test if it's of any use: (note that I suck at drawing)
its a good mouse butt the buttons are so hard to press im used to razer salmosa click and thats ten times lighter get i used to the hard pressure clicks?
On August 06 2011 06:14 XQlusive wrote: its a good mouse butt the buttons are so hard to press im used to razer salmosa click and thats ten times lighter get i used to the hard pressure clicks?
I've had mine for about 2 weeks now and it feels like the clicks have broken in, either that or I'm very used to them. In the beginning I wasn't able to click as fast (for what thats worth), but now I'm having no problems.
thanks for answer what you mean with "I've had mine for about 2 weeks now and it feels like the clicks have broken in" im not good that good in english
On July 30 2011 01:49 JiYan wrote: dpi for the zowie is kinda low for modern displays =\
You don't ever need over 1000 dpi. Most people who do have terrible mouse accuracy to begin with.
You don't need mice over 400 DPI either. It's about personal preference, and hardware settings. Notice how he said "for modern displays"? If someone is getting a monitor that is 2400x1600 (3.8 Mpx), you would certainly want over 1000 DPI.
Many people even run around 1200–2600 DPI for resolutions around 2 megapixels, and that is not even the high extreme, but just average people. Majority of people running at 800 DPI or lower would be using sub- 2 Mpx resolutions.
It's also ridiculous to claim that people over 1000 DPI have terrible accuracy. The issue isn't much to do with accuracy, but just the amount they move their hands, which is very much a personal preference
On August 04 2011 18:24 Kirisu wrote:
Here's the paint prediction test if it's of any use:
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Looks like more evidence of buggy/fake 1600 DPI for the Mico, in case that issue isn't yet settled.
On August 06 2011 17:42 XQlusive wrote: thanks for answer what you mean with "I've had mine for about 2 weeks now and it feels like the clicks have broken in" im not good that good in english
"Broken in" is to say that something has worn in well, so that I'm used to it.
I already got problem with my mico. The scroll screeches from time to time and the mouse sensors is defective. When i dont move my mouse, the mouse pointer moves on it own and the scroll button is very stiff..
After 1 week intensive use, I can say that I love the mouse. The scroll wheel does squeak a bit, but it's bearable. It still works fine. Gotten used to the stiff buttons, I love them now. Overall the mouse is great, I don't regret the purchase, it's easily one of the best mouse I've ever used, if not the best. With a G-TF Speed pad it's so slick. Hoping the mouse will last a bit though. Using it at 800DPI most of the time (on 1920*1080 resolution) don't see the point to go higher.
Tried a Coolermaster Spawn recently, didn't really like it. It's too big. And it doesn't work as well on the G-TF Speed pad for some reason (large feet is the problem I'm guessing), it's less slippery than with no mousepad or even works better on a 2€ mousepad, go figure.
I've had the mico for more than a month and a half now. The scroll wheel is basically unusable at this point, it just skips randomly whenever I try to scroll in either direction. It's a shame but I love the mouse for SC2 too much to switch it.
I have a question about the Zowie EC1 for you guys. Hopefully someone has the answer since they don't retail in Canada(if someone knows where they do please PM me).
I want to buy the Zowie EC1 but I'm trying to figure out if the black or white one is best for me to purchase. I used to have a Lachesis which has the razer non-stick coating so that u can play for hours without the mouse getting sweaty. I'm wondering which of the two of those mice is the one that most resembles the Lachesis.
Thanks in advance.
I will prob end up ordering it online without even getting to try it out. Sucks being in Canada sometimes...
On July 30 2011 03:18 Glockateer wrote: I've had the mico for a while now and it is great.
On July 30 2011 01:49 JiYan wrote: dpi for the zowie is kinda low for modern displays =\
You don't ever need over 1000 dpi. Most people who do have terrible mouse accuracy to begin with.
You don't need mice over 400 DPI either. It's about personal preference, and hardware settings. Notice how he said "for modern displays"? If someone is getting a monitor that is 2400x1600 (3.8 Mpx), you would certainly want over 1000 DPI.
Many people even run around 1200–2600 DPI for resolutions around 2 megapixels, and that is not even the high extreme, but just average people. Majority of people running at 800 DPI or lower would be using sub- 2 Mpx resolutions.
It's also ridiculous to claim that people over 1000 DPI have terrible accuracy. The issue isn't much to do with accuracy, but just the amount they move their hands, which is very much a personal preference
Here's the paint prediction test if it's of any use:
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Looks like more evidence of buggy/fake 1600 DPI for the Mico, in case that issue isn't yet settled.
Umm. I use a VG236H monitor, 1920x1080 native, and I use a Logitech G1 which operates at 800 DPI. Maybe my monitor isn't "modern" because it's not at 3.8mpx, gee,I really don't know, but I can assure you that most SC2 players don't use the full technology that high DPI offers, or monitors that are 2400x1600 resolution for that matter.
He was simply saying that 1600DPI (as its the max the Mico has) is more than enough for anyone (at least anyone who plays SC2 competitively). Arguing "personal preference" as a point is overrated. Sure, preference is an important factor, but DPI has nothing to do with preference, sensitivity does. You can use a 5000DPI capable mouse, but I really doubt you use its technology in your "preferred" sensitivity setting.
The fact that he said most people who have high DPI have terrible accuracy is somewhat true in the sense that accuracy = mouse control. The smaller movement increments you need to make to move the cursor means the less room your hand has for pinpointing your mouse's cursor to the exact pixel you want it to hit. Pixels are microscopic. If you move your mouse 1 inch and the cursor travels 10 inches, what if you want to select just 1 pixel within those10 inches? It'll be difficult then, to find it, if you only have 1 inch of physical space to select that pixel.
I seriously doubt anyone has the capability to operate a 5000DPI mouse at its actual maximum DPI rating with no decrease in sensitivity and be very any good at any game unless you have a ridiculous resolution that no one even uses.There's a reason why professional FPS players want to have a happy balance of aiming speed + accuracy; they actually have room to physically feel for where their mouse needs to be on the mousepad to get that 1pixel headshot.
Very high sensitivity players will play with very little mouse movement, and that actually leads to bad accuracy because they have so little overall room physically on the mouspad to select a desired pixel on the screen. You can get used to it, but your accuracy is never going to be as good with lower sensitivity.
Most people will never need beyond 1000DPI until resolutions become huge; they just choose to sacrifice control for speed.
Edit: why are people saying 1600 dpi is insufficient?[/QUOTE]
Well i play sc2 on the Razer Orochi in wired mode and i play comfortably at a dpi of 2500 -- i couldnt imagine playing at a little more than half that speed when i get annoyed when the wire unplugs and it auto-sets to 2000
On September 20 2011 09:04 Raw12 wrote: Edit: why are people saying 1600 dpi is insufficient?
Well i play sc2 on the Razer Orochi in wired mode and i play comfortably at a dpi of 2500 -- i couldnt imagine playing at a little more than half that speed when i get annoyed when the wire unplugs and it auto-sets to 2000[/QUOTE]
I play on 800 DPI, and it doesn't bother me one bit... I think it's preference more than anything.
On June 15 2011 03:57 Loser777 wrote: How small is this mouse? I thought I had "small hands" but I palm a MX518.
The shape/size is almost identical to the Logitech mini. Pics from china... (for the review using google translate go << here >>)
Nothing can replace the feel of the LMO shape. It's pretty amazing that logitech created such a great mouse for RTS without it being intentional ^_^ I still have my broken LMO somewhere, yeah I'm kind of nostalgic :p
I bought the MiCo mouse a few weeks ago, it's easily the best mouse i have used for starcraft it's very accurate and the low dpi does not worry me to much since i use an 800dpi setting anyway. It does however have quality issues, my scroll wheel is already starting to squeak, im not sure if it's fixable or not and the mouse feet are very tiny so i can't imagine they will last to long.
On September 25 2011 11:49 ndreamer wrote: I bought the MiCo mouse a few weeks ago, it's easily the best mouse i have used for starcraft it's very accurate and the low dpi does not worry me to much since i use an 800dpi setting anyway. It does however have quality issues, my scroll wheel is already starting to squeak, im not sure if it's fixable or not and the mouse feet are very tiny so i can't imagine they will last to long.
There's nothing like WD40 spray to fix squeaking mousewheels. Mine started to squeak after a week, sprayed some WD40 and it's still good, 2 months later. Btw, I haven't encountered any issue with the wheel accuracy so far.
On June 15 2011 03:57 Loser777 wrote: How small is this mouse? I thought I had "small hands" but I palm a MX518.
The shape/size is almost identical to the Logitech mini. Pics from china... (for the review using google translate go << here >>)
Nothing can replace the feel of the LMO shape. It's pretty amazing that logitech created such a great mouse for RTS without it being intentional ^_^ I still have my broken LMO somewhere, yeah I'm kind of nostalgic :p
Speaking of Logitech mice, there's apparently a new Logitech fingertip grip mouse popping up in China. Could be promising.
On June 15 2011 03:57 Loser777 wrote: How small is this mouse? I thought I had "small hands" but I palm a MX518.
The shape/size is almost identical to the Logitech mini. Pics from china... (for the review using google translate go << here >>)
Nothing can replace the feel of the LMO shape. It's pretty amazing that logitech created such a great mouse for RTS without it being intentional ^_^ I still have my broken LMO somewhere, yeah I'm kind of nostalgic :p
Speaking of Logitech mice, there's apparently a new Logitech fingertip grip mouse popping up in China. Could be promising.
Too bad they don't tell the size because G1 shape is a little too big for my liking. I guess I'll have to wait some more and stick to my cheap ass mouse.
edit : apparently it's a G1 shaped mouse and as I speak there's no plan by logitech to sell this baby outside China and Korea T_T;
How lucky are we, logitech perfectly understood our needs and gives us these great 2kg 15 cm wide and a trillion useless buttons mice
I finally made up my mind and bought a mico at http://www.pure-gaming.fr in case french netizens are interested.
I feels really smooth and precise and fits my style of grip perfectly (I've had a mini optical for 6 years). I can understand ppl saying the buttons are a little stiff but it doesn't really bother me as you get used to it pretty quicky. I will update regarding the wheel.
I play on 1280*720 6/11 53% 800 dpi and I feel it's almost the perfect setting. I've never felt so accurate with my in-game mouse movements.
One negative point though : it's a little expensive for us europeans (39€ + around 9€ for shipment)
Hey guys it looks like best mouse for sc2 currently so i really want to buy it! Few questions:
- does scroll wheel really that bad that it breaks after a month of usage? o_O - does this mouse work well with i7 CPU? Because I read on overclockers that it lags the system and I got i7 920.. - any idea how this mouse gonna work on goliathus control mousepad? Because i got abyssus and it is very smooth, but abyssus got quite large pads while mico got very small dots. - anyone tried both abyssus and mico and what is better? What about mico and cm storm spawn comparison?
On November 02 2011 03:11 Alpina wrote: Hey guys it looks like best mouse for sc2 currently so i really want to buy it! Few questions:
- does scroll wheel really that bad that it breaks after a month of usage? o_O - does this mouse work well with i7 CPU? Because I read on overclockers that it lags the system and I got i7 920.. - any idea how this mouse gonna work on goliathus control mousepad? Because i got abyssus and it is very smooth, but abyssus got quite large pads while mico got very small dots. - anyone tried both abyssus and mico and what is better? What about mico and cm storm spawn comparison?
ty!
mice are going to be based on what you like
i have huge hands, and that mouse looks tiny, so I probably wouldn't like it
those are two mice from each of the three big companies that I know of that a lot of people like for SC2/a lot of pro's use one of these mice
I personally use a xai, and I love it, most of the most recent mice are going to be so similar in technical specs that its really going to come down to what you like more
On November 02 2011 03:11 Alpina wrote: Hey guys it looks like best mouse for sc2 currently so i really want to buy it! Few questions:
- does scroll wheel really that bad that it breaks after a month of usage? o_O - does this mouse work well with i7 CPU? Because I read on overclockers that it lags the system and I got i7 920.. - any idea how this mouse gonna work on goliathus control mousepad? Because i got abyssus and it is very smooth, but abyssus got quite large pads while mico got very small dots. - anyone tried both abyssus and mico and what is better? What about mico and cm storm spawn comparison?
ty!
mice are going to be based on what you like
i have huge hands, and that mouse looks tiny, so I probably wouldn't like it
those are two mice from each of the three big companies that I know of that a lot of people like for SC2/a lot of pro's use one of these mice
I personally use a xai, and I love it, most of the most recent mice are going to be so similar in technical specs that its really going to come down to what you like more
thanks but i don't want any of these and i am interested in Zowie mico, that's why i asked opinions about it, because it looks like really good SC2 mouse. And i don't need flagship mice, as well as something like Xai which has acceleration.
So I have been following this thread for a while and am still looking around for my next mouse. Any updates from the more recent zowie owners over whether they have been getting the mouse wheel problems and build quality issues that the earlier zowie owners have been getting? Those complaints from before were pretty bad and i want to know if the mouse is good now.
Just got this mouse and I gotta say its everything i couldve wanted. Havent had any problems with the wheel so far but Ive only had it for a few days. I have small asian hands and it is the perfect size for a claw grip.
On November 02 2011 03:11 Alpina wrote: Hey guys it looks like best mouse for sc2 currently so i really want to buy it! Few questions:
- does scroll wheel really that bad that it breaks after a month of usage? o_O - does this mouse work well with i7 CPU? Because I read on overclockers that it lags the system and I got i7 920.. - any idea how this mouse gonna work on goliathus control mousepad? Because i got abyssus and it is very smooth, but abyssus got quite large pads while mico got very small dots. - anyone tried both abyssus and mico and what is better? What about mico and cm storm spawn comparison?
ty!
- If you dont rely heavily on the scroll (like me), it's not that terrible, not the best out there ofc. - Since I only play BW so i dont know if there's a difference, but i experienced no lag whatsoever. - I have a goliathus control pad too and it works really well, no problem for me. - No idea since i have none of those mice.
On November 12 2011 14:56 T0fuuu wrote: So I have been following this thread for a while and am still looking around for my next mouse. Any updates from the more recent zowie owners over whether they have been getting the mouse wheel problems and build quality issues that the earlier zowie owners have been getting? Those complaints from before were pretty bad and i want to know if the mouse is good now.
I just received it. It's super comfortable, awesome buttons, very good tracking and precision, no acceration. Just perfect size for me. Now scroll wheel started squeak after 5 mins of usage and now I use mouse 1 day and scroll wheel doing many diferent sound and it's just horrible, i don't think it's going to last more than a month lol. Also this mouse is quite unusable for me because appearantly with Asus(?) motherboards this mouse causes horrible slow motion problems in games.
If this mouse had wheel of abyssus and didn't cause that slow motion effect in games it would be best mouse ever for SC2.
I've had mine since July of this year and been fortunate that I've had none of these problems. My mouse wheel did squeak early on but went away. The mouse did not get shiny either like someone else posted, but I usually don't have problems with my mice or keyboards ever getting glossy looking.
It's really my favorite mouse right now for SC2 since I was always comfortable using the Logitech Mini Optical and this has almost the identical feel and shape.
I Really like this mouse too, I also don't understand why people is complaining about the buttons being hard, I've had no such problem. Really like it.
If you prefer a claw grip style, this mouse is good. There are a few cons tho. Either your resolution has to be small or your cursor will be slow as hell. At 800 dpi this mouse doesn't skip pixels but on 1600, it does. I was going to get this mouse but after confirming that the mouse does skip pixels @ 800 dpi, I chose the Razer Abyssus instead. Comfort and quality wise, this mouse is just like the LMO so former broodwar players will get the exact same feel. I just wish it didn't skip at 1600 dpi.
My scrollwheel squeaked for a while, but it stopped soon after. Probably wore through the rubber on the sides, but when I spin the wheel, pages scroll so whatever.
I really hate using other mice, which is a testament to how nice the design of the LMO was.
Shape looks really nice. Im thinking of getting it. Too bad 1600 dpi was bad. I wonder what is worse. Putting it at 1600, or having it on 800 and then 8/11 or maybe 9/11 in windows to get the same speed. Im fine with some skipping but not a mouse pointer that goes crazy sometimes like my logitech m100. Also the mico looks like its a better shape for me.
On November 13 2011 19:57 Jaxtyk wrote: I was going to get this mouse but after confirming that the mouse does skip pixels @ 800 dpi, I chose the Razer Abyssus instead.
Do you mean to say 1600 CPI there? I haven't seen any reports of skipping at 800 CPI.
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
On November 12 2011 14:56 T0fuuu wrote: So I have been following this thread for a while and am still looking around for my next mouse. Any updates from the more recent zowie owners over whether they have been getting the mouse wheel problems and build quality issues that the earlier zowie owners have been getting? Those complaints from before were pretty bad and i want to know if the mouse is good now.
I bought mine in September and I still have no problem with the scrollwheel. One thing to consider though : you absolutely need a mousepad for this mouse (a cheap cloth mousepad does the trick). On any other surface it will behave very weirdly. I had a small bug once when my pointer was all shaky after I had left my comp turned on for a long time but never happened again.
It's the first "gaming" mouse I've ever had (I was using a LMO before) and it's really really accurate compared to a cheap logitech mice. You definitely feel the difference.
Using the 1600 @ 2560 x1440 Sadly I wish I could drop it down to 800 dpi and x1080 but for me I just love this resolution. Coming from Several gaming mouses, and always believing I would absolutely need more than the 3-button. It was extremly refreshing. Palming a mouse is quite comfortable but my play becomes extremely lazy, I owned a diamond back so many years ago and found I played the best with it oddly even though I didn't really care for the mouse or feel.
Coming from a R.A.T. 7 this thing is amazing for daily computer use and SC2. I do however prefer the IM 1.1a, so I may be switching to a Zowie AM soon, if I figure out how to get ride of those ugly red colors all over it. *Seriously* The stiff buttons scream quality Zowie let Star Tale pick out it out so for sc2 its awesome. It might be a little different at first.. but so is everything new. I'm kind of sad the AM will not be using click click cause its awesome.
Pros *- Affordable - Super Light - Extremely High Quality Tactile Click - No Drivers!
On December 05 2011 15:28 n6378056 wrote: Deal breaker right here.
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
It could be dirt on the mousepad or the mousepad itself. Just saying.
On December 05 2011 15:28 n6378056 wrote: Deal breaker right here.
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
On December 05 2011 15:28 n6378056 wrote: Deal breaker right here.
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
It could be dirt on the mousepad or the mousepad itself. Just saying.
It's not dirt. It's the fault of the PixArt sensor.
I decided to give this mouse a try and I must say that I would recommend it to anyone with really big hands that needs to fingertip grip. My hands are 11.5 thumb to pinky and I literally have never found a mouse I could palm or claw grip since if I put my hand on the mouse my fingers reach over the buttons. This mouse is very light and balanced and feels great just grabbing with the fingers. Other mice I've used have too much weight on the back of the mouse which makes it prone to twisting when using a fingertip grip.
On December 05 2011 15:28 n6378056 wrote: Deal breaker right here. + Show Spoiler +
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
I heard the mouse wheel scroll is fixed in the latest edition, but this tracking bug is absolutely a deal breaker.
can anyone else confirm this as affecting all zowie-mico? or maybe this is something that happens only on a few rare mal-functioned ones. Too bad I was really looking forward to a mini-optical like mouse, but this tracking bug is putting a dead stop to me purchasing it for now. I don't know how anyone thinking about buying can ignore this issue until it is sorted out.
was gonna get this mouse before i heard of the pixel issue. however, i find it odd that all of StarTale can play with this mouse and not mention a thing about it. maybe they imba?
On January 05 2012 17:14 dib wrote: was gonna get this mouse before i heard of the pixel issue. however, i find it odd that all of StarTale can play with this mouse and not mention a thing about it. maybe they imba?
more accurately they probably just don't give a shit
On December 05 2011 15:28 n6378056 wrote: Deal breaker right here.
I thought i was imagining a pixel skip every time I was boxing units rapidly. Mico now relegated to office work mouse. Hopefully the Zowie AM won't disappoint.
It could be dirt on the mousepad or the mousepad itself. Just saying.
It's not dirt. It's the fault of the PixArt sensor.
yeh its the sensor. the zowie am has some flaws with the buttons overlapping atm but the sensor is a better one then most on the market (potentially) but it has a lower perfect control speed at the 1150 step which is i heard 2.7 as apposed to the 3+ for the other 2 so maybe ill review it here since ppl refuse to go to overclocked.net...
On January 05 2012 21:53 RaYhN wrote: I had this mice for about 2months and it's the by far the best RTS mice i've used. My logitech g1 comes in second.
I love the shape and weight of it. the sound of the clicks sound really good too. great mice all around.
it's only 40 bucks!! highly recommended mice!
I also have the Logitech G1(which I love) and then switched to the Mico. My brother got a Mico for Christmas and loves it for Starcraft. As far as pixel skipping, I've owned one since last summer and I have never noticed it at 800dpi. I had to really try to get it to skip at 1600dpi and that took awhile, it was there however when testing in MS Paint. For me it was not even noticable and I think this is more of a concern for FPS games like Quake, where slight changes in the mouse can really make a difference play. Nestea uses his Logitech G1 with 70% sensitvity in SC2; some people on this forum would freak out and say "Why doesn't he use 51-54%?! He does not have a 1:1 ratio!!! How does he win games with his mouse skipping pixels?!" People just blow things out of proportion. If the Mico was that bad you would see a ton of more post on it and Startale players would refuse to use it because it would hinder high level play. I also want to point out that some of the Startale players don't use the mico, but many players on the team have switched to it.
I've never noticed the mico pixel bug while playing starcraft 2 and only became aware of it when it was posted online. For anyone that wants a nice replacement to the logitech mini optical with great tracking at 800dpi I say give it a try. Also, The tactile Huano switches in the Mico are my favorite for Starcraft.
On January 05 2012 17:14 dib wrote: was gonna get this mouse before i heard of the pixel issue. however, i find it odd that all of StarTale can play with this mouse and not mention a thing about it. maybe they imba?
When a team or clan is sponsored by a mouse company, you have to look twice. Take SteelSeries for example. They sponsor the best Quake player: Rapha. When you look at the SteelSeries homepage, Rapha is listed using a SteelSeries Xai. In reality he uses a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical with a SteelSeries sticker on it:
mine does it too. the skip is less the lower the dpi. kind of outrageous they ship with this sort of thing. other than the slightly heavy force for clicking, this mouse was rather perfect for me in shape
guess its going in the trash and i'm back to my salmosa asia -- little too small and has prediction but prediction is better than skipping, thats for sure
On January 15 2012 05:22 mockturtle wrote: too bad about the skipping
mine does it too. the skip is less the lower the dpi. kind of outrageous they ship with this sort of thing. other than the slightly heavy force for clicking, this mouse was rather perfect for me in shape
guess its going in the trash and i'm back to my salmosa asia -- little too small and has prediction but prediction is better than skipping, thats for sure
is there hope, that zowie is going to solve this problem? this mice looks so perfect ... are there similar mices on the market, which you can recommend?
im really interested in this mouse and as far as i know they have fixed those issues with the scroll wheel. only thing is i dont want to buy version "1.0" of this mouse and neither amazon nor any other of them says which version they are selling
or do you generally think they all got the overworked version by now? but still, if they got old ones left they will sell them..
On February 01 2012 07:30 Papillon wrote: im really interested in this mouse and as far as i know they have fixed those issues with the scroll wheel. only thing is i dont want to buy version "1.0" of this mouse and neither amazon nor any other of them says which version they are selling
or do you generally think they all got the overworked version by now? but still, if they got old ones left they will sell them..
I bought two myself because I was having issues that I was eventually able to fix. The last one I bought was near the end of December on Amazon.com and that one does not produce and noise with the scroll wheel so far. My first one did from time to time, but I bought that around June last year. You can fix it also by taking the mouse apart and applying some grease near the scroll wheel. As far as any other scroll wheel issues I haven't experienced any so I can comment on those if they do exist.
What still exist though is the pixel bug, Zowie looks like they may be aware of it finally so I believe there will hopefully be another version with updated firmware in the future.
On January 15 2012 05:22 mockturtle wrote: too bad about the skipping
mine does it too. the skip is less the lower the dpi. kind of outrageous they ship with this sort of thing. other than the slightly heavy force for clicking, this mouse was rather perfect for me in shape
guess its going in the trash and i'm back to my salmosa asia -- little too small and has prediction but prediction is better than skipping, thats for sure
Why would you throw it in the trash, and not sell it? Wow.
Thanks for you answer. Firmware can only be applied in a new model i guess, since it's driver-free.. They made 2 new versions of the mouse in different colors (pink and light blue) but i dont like the look, would much more prefer the black one. The pixel bug doesnt matter for me, cause as i heard it only applies on 1600 dpi. I'm playing at 800, so there shouldnt be a problem. I would like to know how many people bought this mouse on amazon.de and if they (amazon) had to order new ones over time. But as i guess, it's a mouse not to many people here in germany have bought, since zowie is a pretty unknown manufacturer here.
On February 02 2012 00:26 Papillon wrote: Thanks for you answer. Firmware can only be applied in a new model i guess, since it's driver-free.. They made 2 new versions of the mouse in different colors (pink and light blue) but i dont like the look, would much more prefer the black one. The pixel bug doesnt matter for me, cause as i heard it only applies on 1600 dpi. I'm playing at 800, so there shouldnt be a problem. I would like to know how many people bought this mouse on amazon.de and if they (amazon) had to order new ones over time. But as i guess, it's a mouse not to many people here in germany have bought, since zowie is a pretty unknown manufacturer here.
I can confirm that the bug happens on all the dpi settings on the mico, including 400-800. I however didn't even know it was there until I read some information online and tried to recrate the bug in paint for myself. Even though it did not hinder my Starcraf 2 play, the fact I knew it was there was enough to mess with head to the point of having to get a replacement mouse for the time being.
On January 15 2012 05:22 mockturtle wrote: too bad about the skipping
mine does it too. the skip is less the lower the dpi. kind of outrageous they ship with this sort of thing. other than the slightly heavy force for clicking, this mouse was rather perfect for me in shape
guess its going in the trash and i'm back to my salmosa asia -- little too small and has prediction but prediction is better than skipping, thats for sure
I'm not sure what "skipping" problem people are talking about. Can you fill me in? I have the Mico and I love it, I haven't noticed this skipping either. Shape that yours is going to the trash.
I returned this mouse back because it was slowing down my whole system to the point that I could not play any games with it.
So I used this mouse for a several weeks and my impressions:
- Super comfortable, and very small, best mice I ever had in my hand. I think you cannot find better mice for SC2 (size wise). - Scroll wheel is just something tragic, I can't imagine how they were testing this scroll wheel if it started doing all sorts of sounds the first time I unpacked it.
So overall if you manage to get this mice with good scroll wheel and if it does not slow down all your games then it's best mice ever.
Seems weird, considering it's a plug and play. How would something with no drivers at all slow down your whole system? Mine is perfect and I have had no problems with it.
On January 15 2012 05:22 mockturtle wrote: too bad about the skipping
mine does it too. the skip is less the lower the dpi. kind of outrageous they ship with this sort of thing. other than the slightly heavy force for clicking, this mouse was rather perfect for me in shape
guess its going in the trash and i'm back to my salmosa asia -- little too small and has prediction but prediction is better than skipping, thats for sure
Why would you throw it in the trash, and not sell it? Wow.
Why would I sell something I know to be broken? It's not in the trash, it sits in a box of tech stuff in case Zowie ever offers a replacement.
I didn't manufacture it, but I wouldn't find it ethical to sell something with such a fundamental problem as a mouse whose arrow doesn't go where you move it to.
So i bought this mouse recently, despite some people complaining about it. The mouse wheel is not the best thing about this mouse, although not as bad as i thought. The size is great, if you like the grip it requires. The mouse is a bit smaller than the Roccat Kova which i used before, but suits my grip even better because my fingers are right on top of the buttons, whereas with the Kova there was some free space to the top. The quality of the sensor is great, at least for me playing at 800 dpi. I bought the mouse together with the G-TF speed and i must say this combination is very smooth.
Still i have this mouse only for one week now, so i cant tell about the longevity.
Also the clicking feels great, almost kind of mechanic, if that makes any sense. Might be the feedback when clicking, like comparing a normal keyboard with a mechanical one.
On February 10 2012 00:59 LF9 wrote: Seems weird, considering it's a plug and play. How would something with no drivers at all slow down your whole system? Mine is perfect and I have had no problems with it.
Yeah it's very weird but it does. 100%, as soon as i switch it off and restard pc everything if fine. I am not alone having this problem and it seems it maybe be due to Asus motherboards or something..
On February 10 2012 00:59 LF9 wrote: Seems weird, considering it's a plug and play. How would something with no drivers at all slow down your whole system? Mine is perfect and I have had no problems with it.
Yeah it's very weird but it does. 100%, as soon as i switch it off and restard pc everything if fine. I am not alone having this problem and it seems it maybe be due to Asus motherboards or something..
Damn that sucks, do you have an i7? A ton of people where having problems with their PC using the mico & i7.
On February 10 2012 00:59 LF9 wrote: Seems weird, considering it's a plug and play. How would something with no drivers at all slow down your whole system? Mine is perfect and I have had no problems with it.
Yeah it's very weird but it does. 100%, as soon as i switch it off and restard pc everything if fine. I am not alone having this problem and it seems it maybe be due to Asus motherboards or something..
Damn that sucks, do you have an i7? A ton of people where having problems with their PC using the mico & i7.
Yes I have i7 920. I thought first it was the problem with i7, but then some people having i7 had no problem with mico so I thought it maybe Asus motherboard. Either way I contacted support but they could not solve this problem and they said they heard it first time, so they returned the money.
On January 05 2012 17:14 dib wrote: was gonna get this mouse before i heard of the pixel issue. however, i find it odd that all of StarTale can play with this mouse and not mention a thing about it. maybe they imba?
When a team or clan is sponsored by a mouse company, you have to look twice. Take SteelSeries for example. They sponsor the best Quake player: Rapha. When you look at the SteelSeries homepage, Rapha is listed using a SteelSeries Xai. In reality he uses a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical with a SteelSeries sticker on it:
ye it realyl comes to preference, QUAKE FTW!!!!!!, the main reason why steelseries mice suck ass, is due to the fact they have acceleration, and it cannot be removed, so people are really against this, the reason why steelseries mice suck
Ive had the MiCO for a half year now and the scroll have indeed been broken for a long time. Other than that it´s very very small, I would prefer if it was a little bit larger and that is why Im considering getting a Xai instead. But the sensor is great, and the shape gives you full control over the mouse. The key clicks are much stiffer than on a Razer or Logitech mouse.
On February 18 2012 03:15 cellblock wrote: Ive had the MiCO for a half year now and the scroll have indeed been broken for a long time. Other than that it´s very very small, I would prefer if it was a little bit larger and that is why Im considering getting a Xai instead. But the sensor is great, and the shape gives you full control over the mouse. The key clicks are much stiffer than on a Razer or Logitech mouse.
Funny, I wish it was smaller.
The key clicks are indeed very stiff. This actually makes me quite a believer they used a korean starcraft team to help design it -- koreans click really hard. Personally I'd dig something much softer.
Gotta say, i just got mine today, and been trying for about 10 mins now, but i can get it to jump like shown in some of the pain pictures, dont know if it means they fixed the problem, or im just lucky great mouse none the less
I've been using the Zowie Mico for almost a week now and it is an awesome mouse. I was looking for a simple 3 button mouse with high DPI for SC2 and it was perfect for what I was looking for.
I've used the Intellimouse 3.0, Logitech MX518, Deathadder, and Abyssus and the Mico edges out the Abyssus slightly for my favorite.
I tried this mouse, thinking to buy it. But the button are too stiff my middle finger tendons started to hurt after 5 minutes of clicking. Do you get used to it? Or does it get softer in time?
On June 29 2012 20:07 lollyz wrote: I use this mouse since its release. No problem with it. Most likely the best mouse that I had with the mini optical..
I had a Xai before I decided to get the Mico, because the Xai was just to big for my small hands and I have to say the Mico fits my hands just perfect. As you said it reminds me of the good old BW times with the optical mini and that alone is like the greatest compliment you can make for a mouse^^
So you guys don't feel the buttons are a bit too stiff? (I am an Abyssus user by the way, very very easy clicks, may be that's why mico's buttons feel like this)
On June 29 2012 20:27 Kull of Atlantis wrote: So you guys don't feel the buttons are a bit too stiff? (I am an Abyssus user by the way, very very easy clicks, may be that's why mico's buttons feel like this)
You just have to get used to it. They are about as stiff as the buttons on SS Kinzu, not that big of a deal.
Just an update on mico. I hated the stiffness of the clicks. So I modified it. Now it feels just so good. Perfect shape (i was an LMO fanatic). Sensor functions well enough at 800dpi. Clicks feel so good, like logitech mice, like the LMO.
It's really easy to mod it, but take this as a warning, you CAN screw up the spring or the switch if you aren't careful.
Or you can do it the simple way (go to next spoiler)
It's a much more complicated process in the way talked about in the spoiler above, and you can risk burning out the contacts on the switch. You'll have to provide your own switches you prefer to use and resolder them onto the mico.
I used this exact method for my right click switch and it worked out fine though. I desoldered the Omron switch from my old LMO and swapped it with the Huano switch on my mico.
Funny thing is, I messed up the second Omron switch from my LMO in this process, so my left click on my mico was stuck with the Huano switch.
So what I did was, instead of replacing it with a new switch through the whole desolder and resolder process, I just popped open the Huano switch using a needle nose plier (****Becareful doing this or the spring can get damaged. It's extremely brittle and can get deformed and possibly not work) and then slightly bent the spring with a pin so that it took less force to travel when pushing down on it. Now, the clicks are soft and quick in my mico. My right click is probably closer to the LMO in that it is soft but bottoms out a little slower (feels a bit mushy). My left click feels just as soft, but it's a bit more tactile and bottoms out quicker (feels a bit quicker in response). Maybe a bit strange that they don't feel exactly the same, but I happen to like the way it feels right now.
Now that I think of it, I should write a step by step tutorial just in case people want to try it out. I'm pretty sure it'll work for any mouse that uses similar type switches: **I will try to get pictures up if you guys really need them. Let me know.**
**WARNING: I take no responsibility for any injuries or any damages to any of your equipment if you use these instructions to modify your equipment. There is always a risk when attempting to modify your peripherals and electronic equipment.
Pliers (preferably needle-nose pliers or something equivalent, necessary to open the switch (look at spoiler link above to see a picture of how much room you have and how big the switches are). Hell, you could use an eye-brow plucker if you want to.
Phillips screw diver (a small one that will fit into the hole in the mouse casing)
A thin pin (something small and thin, like a thumbtack or something that you can use to adjust the spring inside the switch)
First, unplug your mouse and make sure you're working in a well lit area because you need to see every little detail inside the mouse to make sure you don't screw anything up.
Zowie Mico
1. Flip the mouse so that the bottom is facing you. There is a hole in the bottom with a screw that you must remove before you can get inside the mouse. Use a phillips screw driver. I'm not gonna get technical with sizes, just get one that will fit, it's pretty small.
2. Once the screw is out, you should be able to pull off the top half of the mouse to get inside the mouse and see its guts. Examine the black mouse switches and take note of the thin white "buttons". You don't want to lose them in this process.
3. It's advised that you remove the whole PCB board out of the mouse, but you don't necessary have to. It just makes it easier. Make sure you don't damage the soldered pins on the bottom though. I didn't really take any special precautions, I worked right on my desk. Just be careful moving it around.
4. You should be able to take off the scroll wheel, it's an easy tug to get it off.
5. Grab your pliers or whatever you're deciding to use, it could be anything that could grip onto the top half of the black switch. If you look closely at the switch, there are two clips on each side that hooks the top half onto the bottom half. (Some mice may not have these clips). You should clearly see a seam line though that separates the two halves of the switch. Your goal is to pull this top half off slowly and lightly with a rocking motion so that you don't damage the black casing itself and don't damage the spring inside it. Note: When you pull off this top half of the switch, that small white plastic "button" could fall out and you could lose it. Be aware. Don't lose it.
6. Once the top half of the switch casing is off, you should see a "spring". Not what you would have imagined, a regular spiraly slinky looking spring, but a very thin and small piece of metal. This is what actuates the click and gives the tactile click. Examine the spring and you should find that when you press down on it (and do so lightly and carefully), one end hits a contact point, which sends a signal to the PCB board that you've registered a click. On the other end of the spring, if you press down on an area towards that end, you should feel a tactile click. This area on the spring is where the thin white button contacts, giving you that tactile click each time you press on the mouse button.
**This is the risky part, be extra careful. You don't want to knock the spring off either, it's extremely annoying to rehook it into the grooves and you could damage it in the process**
7. Now, there is a special part on this spring that gives it the "resistance" effect that all springs have. Look for the curved U-shaped part of the spring. That is what controls how much resistance there is when you click. What you want to do is fiddle with this part to lessen the resistance so your clicks are softer. Get your thin little pin that I've mentioned earlier and press down on the U-shape with it. You want to create a deformation in it so instead of it being a smooth U shape, it starts to look more like a V shape. Forgive me if I don't know how else to explain it. When you create this deformation, there is less resistance pushing against the ends of the spring, so when you press down on the tactile area, it requires less force. I advise that you don't overdo it or you'll risk damaging it or you could lose the tactile feedback. A slight deformation is already significant, it doesn't have to be a V at all.
8. Test it by pressing down on the tactile area of the spring with your finger tips. A good setting is where you can feel the tactile click while the pressure is very light, lighter than before with the default pressure.
9. This is where needle nose pliers come in handy. If your thin white button piece did fall out, you have to reinsert it into the socket on the top half of the switch casing. Using something like a needle-nose plier to clip onto the white button piece is the easiest way to do this, because it actually fits into the small housing in the switch casing. Hold the mouse PCB board upside down when you put the top half of the switch casing back on so that the white button piece doesn't keep falling out. It should clip back on.
10. Repeat steps on the other switch. Close it up and test it out. Play around with it and repeat until satisfied. Just remember, don't overdo the mod or you could lose the tactile touch or permanently damage the spring.
And YES! You now got the best mouse everrrrr...
Let me know if you guys need help or get stuck. I'll try to get pictures up if you guys request.
On April 21 2011 13:00 Shew wrote: looks awesome, digging it. I'm curious what it's dimensions are
65mm wide, 40mm high, 120mm long
They actually went over to the Startale house and measured the player's hands and filmed their movements. I don't know, but what's been uniquely measured for the God of War must be good for everyone, so I'm getting one, right along a Celeritas from Caseking
who is case king, but wat interests me the most is, would you be able to show me their filmed movements?
Alright, got my mico for some time now, and i am actually really pleased with the mouse. The scroll wheel may make squeaky noises but its actually not too bad. The clicking is what i love most. Maybe its me but the sound is so nice!!!! I am only using the 400dpi so i cant say much bout the pixel skipping. Overall its a nice mouse and ucan consider getting it ^^
Today I am either going to buy a mico or an razer abyssus. I really want the mico and I'm leaning towards it, but the only negative things I've read about it are the size.
Anyone care to comment on this? Here are 2 pictures of my hand with a Logitech MX518:
On September 07 2012 05:13 xrapture wrote: Today I am either going to buy a mico or an razer abyssus. I really want the mico and I'm leaning towards it, but the only negative things I've read about it are the size.
Anyone care to comment on this? Here are 2 pictures of my hand with a Logitech MX518:
The MX518 is actually one of the biggest mice out there. Both the Abyssus and the MiCO are way, way smaller than a MX518. You cant lay your whole hand around these mice, your palm wont be touching the mouse. The Mico is also about 2 cm shorter than the Abyssus, so yes, it is a rather small mouse. I had them both but personally always had issues regarding the shape of Razer Abyssus. Yes, it looks cool, but the shape is weird and edgy so I could never fully understand how to hold this mouse and never felt comfortable holding it. In comparison, the MiCO's shape felt really natural and comfortable.
I guess I might as well bump this thread instead of making a new one.
Iv had my Zowie Mico (Blue) for about 4-5months now and the mouse wheel always lights up and has always been Blue...I turned of my computer today and my mouse wheel changed colors to Red. Tried googling it and all I learned was it has something to do with DPI but, im not very knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff and wasn't sure if I should find a way to change it Blue again.
On April 15 2013 09:38 Pwnergizer Bunny wrote: I guess I might as well bump this thread instead of making a new one.
Iv had my Zowie Mico (Blue) for about 4-5months now and the mouse wheel always lights up and has always been Blue...I turned of my computer today and my mouse wheel changed colors to Red. Tried googling it and all I learned was it has something to do with DPI but, im not very knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff and wasn't sure if I should find a way to change it Blue again.
Thanks in Advance!
Hold down left and right mouse buttons then use the scroll wheel to change DPI.
From lowest to highest DPI... Red = 400 (accurate) Purple = 800 (accurate) Blue = 1600 (interpolated)
AFAIK the MiCO always lights up even after the computer is put to sleep, something about the device not shutting off. Not sure though.
On April 15 2013 09:38 Pwnergizer Bunny wrote: I guess I might as well bump this thread instead of making a new one.
Iv had my Zowie Mico (Blue) for about 4-5months now and the mouse wheel always lights up and has always been Blue...I turned of my computer today and my mouse wheel changed colors to Red. Tried googling it and all I learned was it has something to do with DPI but, im not very knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff and wasn't sure if I should find a way to change it Blue again.
Thanks in Advance!
Hold down left and right mouse buttons then use the scroll wheel to change DPI.
From lowest to highest DPI... Red = 400 (accurate) Purple = 800 (accurate) Blue = 1600 (interpolated)
AFAIK the MiCO always lights up even after the computer is put to sleep, something about the device not shutting off. Not sure though.
Thanks so much! That def worked and yes it does still stay lit up which was weird when I noticed it changed color!
That whiteness is probably the QCK being greasy from your skin. It might be getting touched a lot when using a small mouse like the Mico (at least it's like that for me).
Did you wash your QCK? It survives going through the washing machine and will look close to new afterwards. I always put it inside when washing things like colorful towels with a 30 C washing machine program.
No idea about the mouse feet. My cloth pads pretty much never ate up mouse feet.
It's not my hand , when i return my mouse i see white dust around the mousefeet. and each time I removed it returns like 1 hour after. There is a big difference between the trace of my hand and this trace.
And there more a month, i remove the scotch tape i place on the mousefeet to save them and on now my mousepad is white.
On June 20 2014 06:43 Fizz05 wrote: It's not my hand , when i return my mouse i see white dust around the mousefeet. and each time I removed it returns like 1 hour after. There is a big difference between the trace of my hand and this trace.
And there more a month, i remove the scotch tape i place on the mousefeet to save them and on now my mousepad is white.
Mine gets kinda weird and whitens a little if i use it heavily, but i take a cloth, wet it in hot water, squeeze almost all of it out and then keep it next to me and rub it over some peripherals and mousepad etc a couple times a day. That makes mouse+keyboard much more pleasant to use and keeps my qck+ at "normal" look and performance, i never got any issues with it nearly as bad as what you are describing, so you might just need to wash it more frequently (even lightly)
On June 20 2014 06:43 Fizz05 wrote: It's not my hand , when i return my mouse i see white dust around the mousefeet. and each time I removed it returns like 1 hour after. There is a big difference between the trace of my hand and this trace.
And there more a month, i remove the scotch tape i place on the mousefeet to save them and on now my mousepad is white.
Perhaps look around for replacement mouse feet? The way you describe it, there's something wrong with the feet on your mouse. I'd guess it's not the pad scratching them because it's made out of cloth, they are just disintegrating by themselves for some reason? I've only seen hard pads eat mouse feet.
its not my first zowie mico and every time happen. So that's why i want to change my mousepad for a rigid mousepad. I think the rigid mousepad have less friction compared to a cloth mousepad , no ?
I don't know how the current hard pads work. I tried several something like a decade ago, and they slowly shaved off the mouse feet of my Logitech mice that I used at that time. That's actually the reason I started using cloth pads. I don't know how you can explain that. It's true there is a lot less friction and the mouse glides a lot better, but it still destroyed the mouse feet, and cloth didn't do that.
Hey everyone, I have had two zowie mico mouses. The first one had to be returned because it got disconnected often randomly after three or so months of use, I went to the store and used the warranty, so they gave me another one new, Now it has been about 6 months and now its failing in the same way. It gets disconnected and I think is something with the USB connector, or something with the union of the cable and the mouse itself. Any comments about this? Any recommendations for a mouse with relatively same size and shape? I had tried the Abysssus and It didn't felt as good as the Mico. Thanks everyone!
I use the 2013 Krait its basically a mouse that to me felt a lot better than my old abysuss and imperator.
I also own a Mico
Really love both, just for browsing the back button is pretty pleasant. I have purchased 3 Micos for 1 for backup and 1 as a gift to a friend. However my first one still hasn't ever had a problem.
Are you overclocking your CPU? Sometimes overclocking can knock out a USB connection randomly. This is most noticeable if you're using a wireless USB adapter.
On June 20 2014 06:43 Fizz05 wrote: It's not my hand , when i return my mouse i see white dust around the mousefeet. and each time I removed it returns like 1 hour after. There is a big difference between the trace of my hand and this trace.
And there more a month, i remove the scotch tape i place on the mousefeet to save them and on now my mousepad is white.
Perhaps look around for replacement mouse feet? The way you describe it, there's something wrong with the feet on your mouse. I'd guess it's not the pad scratching them because it's made out of cloth, they are just disintegrating by themselves for some reason? I've only seen hard pads eat mouse feet.
I'm using a cm storm mouse pad with no problems. The zowie mouse pad looks amazing.
I'm loving my mico. The shape is the best. I don't have to worry about hardware acceleration, and I haven't been able to recreate the pixel jumping problem in paint on 800 dpi or 1600 dpi (I use 800 dpi). I like the crispness of the clicks of the buttons; I don't think they're too hard to press, and I really love the feel of the rubber scroll wheel.
I'm having the same problem as Nutrient, random disconnecting. Happens all the time, literally unusable. Now I'm using the Abyssus, and it doesn't have the same problem. Could the problem still be with overclocking?
On October 13 2014 20:59 WadeSC2 wrote: I'm having the same problem as Nutrient, random disconnecting. Happens all the time, literally unusable. Now I'm using the Abyssus, and it doesn't have the same problem. Could the problem still be with overclocking?
Sounds plausible. I've thought my webcam was dc'ing sometimes because I'm oc'ing with a board that's not really meant for it.
That being said, other people have complained about the mico usb issue:
Where the cord attaches to the mouse if the cord bends when moving the mouse the mouse disconnects and then reconnects. There is no visible damage on the cable so internally the cable must have gotten frayed while using the mouse. Looks like it could be a defect with the mouse since another reviewer has the same issue. [1]
On October 09 2014 10:20 Nutrient wrote: Hey everyone, I have had two zowie mico mouses. The first one had to be returned because it got disconnected often randomly after three or so months of use, I went to the store and used the warranty, so they gave me another one new, Now it has been about 6 months and now its failing in the same way. It gets disconnected and I think is something with the USB connector, or something with the union of the cable and the mouse itself. Any comments about this? Any recommendations for a mouse with relatively same size and shape? I had tried the Abysssus and It didn't felt as good as the Mico. Thanks everyone!
UPDATE I could not keep using the mico, so I bought a logitech g100s. Today, after ~3 weeks of no use, I connected the mico and seems to work fine. I will give it a try on the ladder and see what happens.
Damnit I really wanted to get one of these bad boys. I have pretty damn small hands so it seemed potentially perfect bearing that in mind. Anyone know of anything in a similar size that's knocking around?
you can purchase them from the chinese "ebay" sort of thing, called taobao. in order to do this youll need to search zowie mico in taobao, copy the link, and then go to a special supplier known as an agent located in china who will purchase and ship you the mouse. personally i would recommend taobaoring as a great agent, they have very good english, a decently user friendly site layout, and are very very accommodating with any issues or last minute changes you may have. i bought a startale edition zowie mico about 2.5 weeks ago and it arrived this monday, actually much faster than was scheduled (and im east coast, not west)
Zowie and monoprice partnered in 2013 or something and now monoprice makes the mouse. Just received one that I bought from monoprice's website. Unfortunately only the blue color is available and monoprice's logo is squished above the zowie logo but whatever.
Hey guys, do you have a solution for replace the mouse feet ? because on mine they are very very worn... I try with Corepad CS28210. But the mouse grip on my QCK Heavy...
On August 12 2015 06:39 betterinjungle wrote: Hey guys, do you have a solution for replace the mouse feet ? because on mine they are very very worn... I try with Corepad CS28210. But the mouse grip on my QCK Heavy...
Plz someone give me a solution
When I bought one, one of the feet pads was not centered on the hole. I emailed Zowie about it and they said they would send me replacement. I actually don't know if I ever got it, because mail at my house gets kinda lost.
But anyways, I'm fairly sure that the other Zowie mice will probably use the same mouse feet. So you may just want to email Zowie's customer service and ask for a replacement feet pad.
On August 12 2015 06:39 betterinjungle wrote: Hey guys, do you have a solution for replace the mouse feet ? because on mine they are very very worn... I try with Corepad CS28210. But the mouse grip on my QCK Heavy...
Plz someone give me a solution
When I bought one, one of the feet pads was not centered on the hole. I emailed Zowie about it and they said they would send me replacement. I actually don't know if I ever got it, because mail at my house gets kinda lost.
But anyways, I'm fairly sure that the other Zowie mice will probably use the same mouse feet. So you may just want to email Zowie's customer service and ask for a replacement feet pad.
I ask them and the aswer of Zowie is:
"Sadly, the MiCO has been discontinued for some time. We no longer carry any of the units for that model along with its parts.
On August 12 2015 06:39 betterinjungle wrote: Hey guys, do you have a solution for replace the mouse feet ? because on mine they are very very worn... I try with Corepad CS28210. But the mouse grip on my QCK Heavy...
I know this is a very old threat but I couldn't find a similar mouse to these 2 and was hoping someone had found one by a lucky chance.
Any replicas or identical mouses in terms of size to these? I mean exactly identical.
I bought logitech mini a long time ago and was by far my favorite SC mouse, can't help but to search for another one since i got back to remastered and they discontinued both of these. If anybody has any suggestions(must be identical) please feel free to leave a comment, thanks.
On September 04 2017 20:28 Cheesefome wrote: I know this is a very old threat but I couldn't find a similar mouse to these 2 and was hoping someone had found one by a lucky chance.
Any replicas or identical mouses in terms of size to these? I mean exactly identical.
I bought logitech mini a long time ago and was by far my favorite SC mouse, can't help but to search for another one since i got back to remastered and they discontinued both of these. If anybody has any suggestions(must be identical) please feel free to leave a comment, thanks.
Commatech Fkmini v3
Skydigital Nkey G007
I ordered to first one from China at least a month ago and it hasn't arrived. Haven't ordered the Nkey but I probably will.
I'll never understand why those small mouses which were popular a few years ago got discontinued. Both the the steel series kinzu and the zowie mico. I wanted to buy a small gaming mouse for my 12 year old nephew. Surely there would be a market for smaller hands such as children's or for claw users or even for smaller hands in general, like women's or oriental's?
On September 04 2017 20:28 Cheesefome wrote: I know this is a very old threat but I couldn't find a similar mouse to these 2 and was hoping someone had found one by a lucky chance.
Any replicas or identical mouses in terms of size to these? I mean exactly identical.
I bought logitech mini a long time ago and was by far my favorite SC mouse, can't help but to search for another one since i got back to remastered and they discontinued both of these. If anybody has any suggestions(must be identical) please feel free to leave a comment, thanks.
Commatech Fkmini v3
Skydigital Nkey G007
I ordered to first one from China at least a month ago and it hasn't arrived. Haven't ordered the Nkey but I probably will.
Thanks so much for the response, wouldn't have known about these options at all otherwise, my googling was turning up diddly. did a little research and I'm going to order the G007. I've been looking for a replacement for my current mico forever (it's on its last legs no pun intended). I wish I could still buy another pink one (my pink one died awhile ago, I'm using a blue monoprice one) but the configurable colors look cool, hopefully I can install/navigate the korean drivers lol.