i can get a 2600k for a bit cheaper so thats why im asking how much better it is than 2500k for streaming.
and is it even worth it to wait out maybe until ivy bridge?
Thanks!
Forum Index > Tech Support |
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
i can get a 2600k for a bit cheaper so thats why im asking how much better it is than 2500k for streaming. and is it even worth it to wait out maybe until ivy bridge? Thanks! | ||
feanor1
United States1899 Posts
| ||
jacosajh
2919 Posts
Even if it is, I don't think there are a lot of people that can or would take advantage of it. I usually set my streams to 720 or 480p just because 1080p glitch out sometimes. But if everything on your end is good, you don't mind paying a little bit more, and you really want to do it, I don't see why you shouldn't get a 2600k. | ||
jstocky14
United Kingdom97 Posts
Just to recap i would get an i5 and a beefy cooler with a good case (as a rule of thumb the bigger the better) and then overclock (very important not to overclock on stock cooling). | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 25 2011 12:35 jstocky14 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The enthusiast socket for ivy bridge comes out in Jan and the rest is due for march or Q2 of the 2012 so if you want to pay enthusiast prices or wait until Q2 then wait if not get an i7 2600k/i5 2500k. Personally I would go for an i5 unless you have quite a few applications open whilst streaming like more than 80 and its not un common to have a bit more juice left in an overclocked i5 whilst streaming. Just to recap i would get an i5 and a beefy cooler with a good case (as a rule of thumb the bigger the better) and then overclock (very important not to overclock on stock cooling). Wrong. Ivybridge-E has not been announced. No Ivybridge is coming out in January. More threads helps with encoding so it makes sense to get an i7. Bigger is not always better. | ||
jstocky14
United Kingdom97 Posts
On December 25 2011 12:37 skyR wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 12:35 jstocky14 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The enthusiast socket for ivy bridge comes out in Jan and the rest is due for march or Q2 of the 2012 so if you want to pay enthusiast prices or wait until Q2 then wait if not get an i7 2600k/i5 2500k. Personally I would go for an i5 unless you have quite a few applications open whilst streaming like more than 80 and its not un common to have a bit more juice left in an overclocked i5 whilst streaming. Just to recap i would get an i5 and a beefy cooler with a good case (as a rule of thumb the bigger the better) and then overclock (very important not to overclock on stock cooling). Wrong. Ivybridge-E has not been announced. No Ivybridge is coming out in January. More threads helps with encoding so it makes sense to get an i7. Bigger is not always better. sorry i meant sandy bridge enthusiast | ||
Flipside
United States141 Posts
On December 25 2011 13:39 jstocky14 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 12:37 skyR wrote: On December 25 2011 12:35 jstocky14 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The enthusiast socket for ivy bridge comes out in Jan and the rest is due for march or Q2 of the 2012 so if you want to pay enthusiast prices or wait until Q2 then wait if not get an i7 2600k/i5 2500k. Personally I would go for an i5 unless you have quite a few applications open whilst streaming like more than 80 and its not un common to have a bit more juice left in an overclocked i5 whilst streaming. Just to recap i would get an i5 and a beefy cooler with a good case (as a rule of thumb the bigger the better) and then overclock (very important not to overclock on stock cooling). Wrong. Ivybridge-E has not been announced. No Ivybridge is coming out in January. More threads helps with encoding so it makes sense to get an i7. Bigger is not always better. sorry i meant sandy bridge enthusiast SB-E is already out. Since like Early Nov I think. | ||
Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
| ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
Anyone know when exactly the ivy bridge mainstream chips will release? | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
| ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The 2500k has an unlocked multiplier. The 2500 has a limited multiplier so the highest overclock you will achieve with the 2500 is 4.1GHz. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
It is not a matter of "if you have X you can stream at 1080p" as most people seem to think, even at lower resolutions you can configure xsplit to use more CPU and encode with higher compression levels and get higher quality at lower bitrates, etc. If you plan to use default settings with little to no optimising (as >95% of the streaming community seems to do) then it wont really affect you other than the price tag, but if you are pushing your system with overclocks and trying to optimise, it will make all the difference in the world | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On December 25 2011 12:16 BBallTime wrote: hi guys i would like to know how the 2600k fares vs the 2500k in streaming...i would like to stream in 1920x1200 or 1920x1080, will the 2600k be better? i can get a 2600k for a bit cheaper so thats why im asking how much better it is than 2500k for streaming. and is it even worth it to wait out maybe until ivy bridge? Thanks! I'm guessing that's a typo? | ||
nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On December 25 2011 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 12:16 BBallTime wrote: hi guys i would like to know how the 2600k fares vs the 2500k in streaming...i would like to stream in 1920x1200 or 1920x1080, will the 2600k be better? i can get a 2600k for a bit cheaper so thats why im asking how much better it is than 2500k for streaming. and is it even worth it to wait out maybe until ivy bridge? Thanks! I'm guessing that's a typo? he probably means 2600k for cheaper than its normal price, not cheaper than 2500k cause then it would be a no-brainer right- | ||
xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
And i can easy stream out a 1080p stream with it. And the 2600k cost almost twice as much as a 2500k. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 20:05 poofie wrote: I just bought a 2500k for streaming and it works really great, it almost like i can't feel the comp slowing down when i stream. And i can easy stream out a 1080p stream with it. And the 2600k cost almost twice as much as a 2500k. With the right set up you can stream at 1920x1080 with even a phenom II x4 with no performance hit inside sc2 | ||
xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On December 25 2011 20:08 Cyro wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 20:05 poofie wrote: I just bought a 2500k for streaming and it works really great, it almost like i can't feel the comp slowing down when i stream. And i can easy stream out a 1080p stream with it. And the 2600k cost almost twice as much as a 2500k. With the right set up you can stream at 1920x1080 with even a phenom II x4 with no performance hit inside sc2 Actually i had a Phenom 2 x4 965 BE before i upgraded to a 2500k. And yes you are right, i could stream SC2 without any lagg issues but with other games it my performance could drop a bit but with this 2500k i can't feel any lagg issues or anything. I'm just saying that a 2500k is more than enough for a 1080p stream, so you could save some money if you not buy the 2600k CPU since the 2500k is enough. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On December 25 2011 20:08 Cyro wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 20:05 poofie wrote: I just bought a 2500k for streaming and it works really great, it almost like i can't feel the comp slowing down when i stream. And i can easy stream out a 1080p stream with it. And the 2600k cost almost twice as much as a 2500k. With the right set up you can stream at 1920x1080 with even a phenom II x4 with no performance hit inside sc2 What's "the right set up"? | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 20:16 poofie wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 20:08 Cyro wrote: On December 25 2011 20:05 poofie wrote: I just bought a 2500k for streaming and it works really great, it almost like i can't feel the comp slowing down when i stream. And i can easy stream out a 1080p stream with it. And the 2600k cost almost twice as much as a 2500k. With the right set up you can stream at 1920x1080 with even a phenom II x4 with no performance hit inside sc2 Actually i had a Phenom 2 x4 965 BE before i upgraded to a 2500k. And yes you are right, i could stream SC2 without any lagg issues but with other games it my performance could drop a bit but with this 2500k i can't feel any lagg issues or anything. I'm just saying that a 2500k is more than enough for a 1080p stream, so you could save some money if you not buy the 2600k CPU since the 2500k is enough. Did you set up priorities and CPU core affinity, etc? With windows basic theme in my experience you can stream any game with 2 cores allocated and the others dedicated to system and xsplit, if you are playing a game that wont utilise more than 2 threads you wont see any performance hits whatsoever in my experience. There is no such thing as "enough" for streaming, as the ~20% performance boost to encoding from hyperthreading will let you stream at either superior quality/framerate, or equal, using less bandwidth. There is not a magic barrier where you simply dont need more CPU power, infact i was considering getting a SB-E 6-core (3930k) for the sole purpose of streaming with super high compression (slower presets, some custom options) as i am severely limited on upload bandwidth in this country. | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
i read somewhere that xsplit cant make use of hyperthreading but i think thats a few months old so has it changed now? with its hyperthreading, how much better is the 2600k if i optimise right? Since i also dont have a really great upload... | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 25 2011 12:16 BBallTime wrote: hi guys i would like to know how the 2600k fares vs the 2500k in streaming...i would like to stream in 1920x1200 or 1920x1080! On December 25 2011 20:36 BBallTime wrote: Since i also dont have a really great upload... First, let's establish what your actual upload is? Without the required upload, either cpu won't help you. You need good upload for what you're trying to do. Preferably 4+ Mbps. On December 25 2011 20:36 BBallTime wrote: i read somewhere that xsplit cant make use of hyperthreading but i think thats a few months old so has it changed now? with its hyperthreading, how much better is the 2600k if i optimise right? You probably read that XSplit had an issue using a multi-core CPU (not hypertheading). This has been fixed 6+ months ago. There really is no way of telling you how much better it will get. How would you measure it? The best answer I can give, is that you will be able to do more with the stronger cpu. Is a 2600k needed for streaming 1080p Starcraft 2? No. Will your stream benefit from a 2600k? Yes. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 20:36 BBallTime wrote: hey Cyro thanks for all the info, i read somewhere that xsplit cant make use of hyperthreading but i think thats a few months old so has it changed now? with its hyperthreading, how much better is the 2600k if i optimise right? Since i also dont have a really great upload... The difference is about 20%. I think i can be blamed for mentioning xsplit wouldnt utilise hyperthreading, i had issues with it for quite a while (that still exist sometimes, seemingly at random) and made an assumption i shouldnt have, since then ive had it working across 6-8 threads just fine | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:09 Cyro wrote: The difference is about 20%. While this is true from a view of pure processing power, we have no evidence that this will transform or scale into streaming results with any known streaming program. XSplit is known to be having issues scaling in general. | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
cuz theres going to be a deal for the 2600k soon and i dont know if i should get it or just wait out for ivy bridge 2500k equivalent. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:16 HellGreen wrote: While this is true from a view of pure processing power, we have no evidence that this will transform or scale into streaming results with any known streaming program. XSplit is known to be having issues scaling in general. I saw an x264 encoding benchmark earlier, the 20% is after the nonlinear scaling of adding extra threads. I tried to find it just now, but seems to have dissapeared... I think it is right, that is around the gain i saw from enabling HT on my set up (allowing me to drop a preset and increase fps from 20 to 24 without maxing cpu) | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:30 BBallTime wrote: hmmm, how well will the 2600k do with its hyperthreading vs the ivy bridge 2500k equivalent without hyperthreading? cuz theres going to be a deal for the 2600k soon and i dont know if i should get it or just wait out for ivy bridge 2500k equivalent. Im guessing they will be about equal, we dont really have concrete evidence of ivy bridge performance or overclocking capabilities yet, not being released til march/april anyway i think. | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:33 Cyro wrote: I saw an x264 encoding benchmark earlier, the 20% is after the nonlinear scaling of adding extra threads.[...] Yeah, but there's more going on than x264 here, that's why I wrote Xsplit and not x264 . Frame grabbing is one of XSplit's weaknesses right now, and I don't know if throwing extra power at it will help atm. For what it is worth though, here's a x264 benchmark: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=669&pgno=3 On page 6, I find it particularly interesting that the i5 2500k @4.5 and @5.0 are yielding the same results. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:54 HellGreen wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 21:33 Cyro wrote: I saw an x264 encoding benchmark earlier, the 20% is after the nonlinear scaling of adding extra threads.[...] Yeah, but there's more going on than x264 here, that's why I wrote Xsplit and not x264 . Frame grabbing is one of XSplit's weaknesses right now, and I don't know if throwing extra power at it will help atm. For what it is worth though, here's a x264 benchmark: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=669&pgno=3 At 1280x720 frame grabbing has no performance hit whatsoever for me, and it is relatively minimal at maxed settings, the weakness isnt in massive CPU usage, it just seems to hit game FPS with the actual stream, encoding and CPU usage being unaffected. It does behave quite weirdly but i think your issues (hellgreen) are more with weaker system being hit harder somehow, a decently overclocked 2600k will easily more than double the performance of a stock 920. I dont know WHY the framerate hit happens with screen capture so i cant really comment other than that, but it hits your system significantly harder than mine for some reason | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 25 2011 21:54 HellGreen wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2011 21:33 Cyro wrote: I saw an x264 encoding benchmark earlier, the 20% is after the nonlinear scaling of adding extra threads.[...] Yeah, but there's more going on than x264 here, that's why I wrote Xsplit and not x264 . Frame grabbing is one of XSplit's weaknesses right now, and I don't know if throwing extra power at it will help atm. For what it is worth though, here's a x264 benchmark: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=669&pgno=3 On page 6, I find it particularly interesting that the i5 2500k @4.5 and @5.0 are yielding the same results. The benchmark i saw showed more of a gap with and without HT, and near linear scaling with clock speed to FPS output, its odd that yours shows the same results @4.5ghz and 5ghz, not sure why that would happen | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
| ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 25 2011 23:17 BBallTime wrote: i heard ivy bridge wont be much of an increase in performance compared to sandy bridge so i might just go with the 2600k hmm Well, clock-for-clock, there should be about the exact same improvement as when Sandy Bridge got introduced. 17% (Sandy Bridge > Lynnfield) Source 17% (Ivy Bridge > Sandy Bridge) Source As for performance in streaming (Xsplit), I'll repeat my statement and say: We will have to wait and see. Nothing suggests that it will scale, but I do make the caution that XSplit is still under development. | ||
jacosajh
2919 Posts
If you're that serious into streaming, you wouldn't want to spare any expense to get the best possible stream. And you wouldn't worry about sinking money into a 2600k only to upgrade to something better in a few months. It comes with the territory. Otherwise, just get a 2500k. | ||
creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. | ||
jacosajh
2919 Posts
| ||
Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On December 26 2011 05:09 creepcolony wrote: Wont matter at all. If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. An average increase of 20% additional performance for average use, and up to 30% for certain kinds of use (encoding being a big one) "doesn't matter," especially when we're talking about streaming that may or may not involve teh moniez? Right. 2600k is easily recommendable for people who can get good deals and plan on utilizing it to the fullest extent. For normal gamers, 2500k would be enough, but we're not talking about just games like SC2 that are terrible at utilizing multiple threads; we're talking about encoding. However, OP, if your upload isn't even 4Mbps or higher, you wouldn't get too much out of a 2600k over a 2500k unless you can get a really good deal. Also, the performance increase isn't necessarily something you'll want to go head over heels about; you need to weigh if the additional cost will pay for itself in the end. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 26 2011 06:44 Zeke50100 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 05:09 creepcolony wrote: Wont matter at all. If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. An average increase of 20% additional performance for average use, and up to 30% for certain kinds of use (encoding being a big one) "doesn't matter," especially when we're talking about streaming that may or may not involve teh moniez? Right. 2600k is easily recommendable for people who can get good deals and plan on utilizing it to the fullest extent. For normal gamers, 2500k would be enough, but we're not talking about just games like SC2 that are terrible at utilizing multiple threads; we're talking about encoding. However, OP, if your upload isn't even 4Mbps or higher, you wouldn't get too much out of a 2600k over a 2500k unless you can get a really good deal. Also, the performance increase isn't necessarily something you'll want to go head over heels about; you need to weigh if the additional cost will pay for itself in the end. On the contrary, the difference is more important on lower bandwidth i think as you can compress more into your limited datastream | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
Can ivybridge overclock more than sandy bridge? | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 26 2011 15:22 BBallTime wrote: Anyone have any idea if the next gen 6xx series nvidia video cards or i think they're called gk1xx can hit the pci express 2.0 limit and actually put pci express 3.0 into use? Can ivybridge overclock more than sandy bridge? 99% no. Possibly but I wouldn't count on it. | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You have extremely high hopes if you think Kepler will saturate PCI-E 2.0. | ||
Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 26 2011 15:29 skyR wrote: Ivybridge is a die shrink and K variants are expected to have a max multiplier of 63 so yes they're going to be better overclockers. You have extremely high hopes if you think Kepler will saturate PCI-E 2.0. Cooler temps, higher overclocks. Glad I'm waiting for ivybridge. | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
im not in a super rush to get a new comp though damn. | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
| ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 26 2011 15:29 skyR wrote: Ivybridge is a die shrink and K variants are expected to have a max multiplier of 63 so yes they're going to be better overclockers. You have extremely high hopes if you think Kepler will saturate PCI-E 2.0. Id like to know more about ivy bridge, do you know of anywhere i can look for more info like this? (aside from google) | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 26 2011 18:37 BBallTime wrote: i dont get why they wouldnt include pci 3.0 in the panther point chipset though... Ivy Bridge does support PCIe 3.0. The problem is that PCIe 3.0 is completely useless outside of the telecommunications sector. | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 26 2011 19:04 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On December 26 2011 15:29 skyR wrote: Ivybridge is a die shrink and K variants are expected to have a max multiplier of 63 so yes they're going to be better overclockers. You have extremely high hopes if you think Kepler will saturate PCI-E 2.0. Id like to know more about ivy bridge, do you know of anywhere i can look for more info like this? (aside from google) I guess Anandtech if you haven't already read this? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview Besides that, there's not much more to know about Ivybridge. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 26 2011 19:09 skyR wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 19:04 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On December 26 2011 15:29 skyR wrote: Ivybridge is a die shrink and K variants are expected to have a max multiplier of 63 so yes they're going to be better overclockers. You have extremely high hopes if you think Kepler will saturate PCI-E 2.0. Id like to know more about ivy bridge, do you know of anywhere i can look for more info like this? (aside from google) I guess Anandtech if you haven't already read this? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview Besides that, there's not much more to know about Ivybridge. Im getting a lot of contradicting information, i guess it means nobody has solid information yet | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
| ||
creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
On December 26 2011 05:15 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, a 2600k is a total waste of money for people who make a living doing streams. Yes youre right. As it is for 99.9% of everybody else. On December 26 2011 06:44 Zeke50100 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 05:09 creepcolony wrote: Wont matter at all. If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. An average increase of 20% additional performance for average use, and up to 30% for certain kinds of use (encoding being a big one) "doesn't matter," especially when we're talking about streaming that may or may not involve teh moniez? Right. .. Right. And, btw, those 20%-30% are artificially generated and are far away from reality. The thread title in itself should make everyone who knows what hes talking about chuckle a bit. No offense here, its ofc a legitimate question for someone who doesnt know. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 26 2011 19:40 creepcolony wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 05:15 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, a 2600k is a total waste of money for people who make a living doing streams. Yes youre right. As it is for 99.9% of everybody else. Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 06:44 Zeke50100 wrote: On December 26 2011 05:09 creepcolony wrote: Wont matter at all. If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. An average increase of 20% additional performance for average use, and up to 30% for certain kinds of use (encoding being a big one) "doesn't matter," especially when we're talking about streaming that may or may not involve teh moniez? Right. .. Right. And, btw, those 20%-30% are artificially generated and are far away from reality. The thread title in itself should make everyone who knows what hes talking about chuckle a bit. No offense here, its ofc a legitimate question for someone who doesnt know. Benchmarks have shown hyperthreading improves x264 encoding speed by 15-30% depending on settings, etc. | ||
HydraLF
Hong Kong626 Posts
On December 26 2011 19:40 creepcolony wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 05:15 jacosajh wrote: Yeah, a 2600k is a total waste of money for people who make a living doing streams. Yes youre right. As it is for 99.9% of everybody else. Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 06:44 Zeke50100 wrote: On December 26 2011 05:09 creepcolony wrote: Wont matter at all. If you dont want to waste money, buy the 2500k. It is that simple. An average increase of 20% additional performance for average use, and up to 30% for certain kinds of use (encoding being a big one) "doesn't matter," especially when we're talking about streaming that may or may not involve teh moniez? Right. .. Right. And, btw, those 20%-30% are artificially generated and are far away from reality. The thread title in itself should make everyone who knows what hes talking about chuckle a bit. No offense here, its ofc a legitimate question for someone who doesnt know. I hope you are aware that jacosajh is being sarcastic?... I7-2600k is what you want to get if you are serious into streaming. | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 26 2011 20:08 HydraLF wrote: I7-2600k is what you want to get if you are serious into streaming. Actually a dual computer setup would be way more efficient and possibly cheaper too. I've been getting reports that people face the same issues with 3930's as those with OC'ed i5 2500k's. | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
| ||
Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:56 skyR wrote: Lol how can a dual computer setup be cheaper when you're paying for two computers...? Have there been any recent "Buy one $300 processor; get one free" deals? :D | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
| ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:55 HellGreen wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2011 20:08 HydraLF wrote: I7-2600k is what you want to get if you are serious into streaming. Actually a dual computer setup would be way more efficient and possibly cheaper too. I've been getting reports that people face the same issues with 3930's as those with OC'ed i5 2500k's. What issues would those be? Aside from the bottleneck with screen capture at high resolutions you should have near linear performance scaling (think i read 94%) with extra cores | ||
BBallTime
Canada21 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:58 Zeke50100 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 27 2011 14:56 skyR wrote: Lol how can a dual computer setup be cheaper when you're paying for two computers...? Have there been any recent "Buy one $300 processor; get one free" deals? :D wow, where can i find such buy 1 get 1 free deals? lol if i sell the second one then its basically free. | ||
jacosajh
2919 Posts
If I was to take my job that seriously, I would pay $100 even if a 2600k provided like 3% more performance. Especially for someone like day9, that probably makes over $100/hour from his stream. | ||
Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 27 2011 16:18 jacosajh wrote: Well, if you're that serious into streaming, you're also probably doing other things like editing your videos for upload to YouTube and what-not. And whatever else you could potentially be doing. So a 2600k can be useful. If I was to take my job that seriously, I would pay $100 even if a 2600k provided like 3% more performance. Especially for someone like day9, that probably makes over $100/hour from his stream. You would have to have like 40k ppl to make that much money. I think idra said a 3 month period was around $3k or something on sotg once. afaik you could probably get a i5 2300 as a streaming computer for a 2 computer stream. and use a shitty one to play on. It would give me an excuse to keep my qx9770 setup. | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:56 skyR wrote: Lol how can a dual computer setup be cheaper when you're paying for two computers...? First of all, I said "possibly". Quite simply I was going off the idea that whoever was doing this already had one half of the setup (or at least close to it), which I actually believe is quite reasonable. But even assuming everything scales optimally (to be specific, I'm talking streaming here), you would need something like the i7 3930k (which is ~$600) to even compare the potential of a dual i5 2500k setup (which is ~$220 a piece). Depending on what you already have lying around and good rebates, I'd say that is at the very least close to being "possibly" cheaper. | ||
jacosajh
2919 Posts
On December 27 2011 16:21 Boblhead wrote: Show nested quote + On December 27 2011 16:18 jacosajh wrote: Well, if you're that serious into streaming, you're also probably doing other things like editing your videos for upload to YouTube and what-not. And whatever else you could potentially be doing. So a 2600k can be useful. If I was to take my job that seriously, I would pay $100 even if a 2600k provided like 3% more performance. Especially for someone like day9, that probably makes over $100/hour from his stream. You would have to have like 40k ppl to make that much money. I think idra said a 3 month period was around $3k or something on sotg once. afaik you could probably get a i5 2300 as a streaming computer for a 2 computer stream. and use a shitty one to play on. It would give me an excuse to keep my qx9770 setup. I've read the average streamer gets like $10 per ad per 1,000 viewers. Some say it's slightly less than that, but even if you have like: 15k viewers with 33% using adblock, getting paid $5 per 1,000 viewers 10 x $5 x 3 ads per hour = $150/hour Plus day9 daily uses a much better approach to ads I think than the average streamer. He actually uses his ads in a way that makes sense not to turn it off. | ||
HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 27 2011 18:22 jacosajh wrote: I've read the average streamer gets like $10 per ad per 1,000 viewers. Some say it's slightly less than that[...] That's quite high. Do you have a source? Last time I checked for the newcomer streamer, it was: Twitch.tv: $2 per 1000 ads served (no official source) Own3d.tv: $3 per 1000 ads served (source) Of course each program could/would be tailored to the streamer if he/she is big enough to warrant it. | ||
FinalRoundBR
Brazil2 Posts
I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance | ||
[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
If you have the money, pay the extra price for the 2600K, 2700K or 3770 to get a bit more performance which you can use for better quality settings (meaning better image quality at the same bitrate.) If you buy this more expensive CPU, also don't think too much about it: The performance-per-dollar ratio is not as good as with the 2500K, but you bought that CPU anyway. I use a 2700K at default even though the CPU is fully stable at 4.3 GHz (and I have a very big and quiet CPU cooler ) because the CPU is fast enough for my stream settings. For 720p at 30 fps, a 2500K at stock clock is fully sufficient, too. | ||
Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote: Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course | ||
SoulWager
United States464 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:06 Rollin wrote: For streaming console gameplay with a capture card, yes, an i3 is sufficient. If you want to stream PC games you should get a 3570k. Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote: Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
| ||
Medrea
10003 Posts
In GPU bottled systems and/or games, the hyperthreading is not worth it a surprising number of times. Also other games like LoL simply dont need an i7. The i5-2500k is enough to stream 45 FPS just fine. Also at least with twitch, I have been having a hard time streaming a bitrate thats suitable for 60 FPS streams. My problem being that the twitch server doesnt have enough downstream to handle my upstream, but thats different from user to user. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
SC2 is heavily CPU bottlenecked. Guild wars 2 puts a lot of load on a quad core CPU. These are VERY DIFFERENT things and the cases where you would actually want or notice HT are few and far between with a SB/IB quad. | ||
ZeroTalent
United States297 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:06 Rollin wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote: Hello. First of all sorry my poor english. I'm about to build a new PC in 2 weeks. I'll really apreciate if someone can help me with some questions. I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. A) ASRock z77 Pro4 and a i5-2500k stock, or @4.6GHz overclock. B) ASRock z77 Extreme4 and a i7-3770k stock, or @4.2GHz overclock. If the i5 is just fine for what I want and the i7 is overkill, I'd prefer go with i5. Another question: does the i7 extra cores help with XSplit? I mean, let's say I have the i5-2500k and while streaming with XSplit it reaches let's say, 50% of usage. Will the i7 help with this? Like, 40% usage and room for doing other stuff? Thx in advance And i3 is more than capable of doing a nice 720p 30 fps stream. Any sb/ib quad will be huge overkill, overclocked or not. If you want to stream pc games (from your streaming computer) on the side this all changes of course Well, it depends on how much you want to fiddle with XSplit or OBS settings. But more CPU is always useful for streaming. Yes an i3 can stream 720p at veryfast preset. But a faster CPU will let you use a slower preset and deliver more quality than a typical veryfast stream, given the same bitrate EDIT: but some of the quality gains are marginal, especially in high-motion scenes. Bitrate is usually the primary driver of quality. At factory speeds, the i7 will be strictly better than the i5. I would imagine you can stream at medium preset, certainly fast preset. At overclocked speeds (4.2 for i7; 4.6 for i5), it's harder to tell which is better. I think the i7 would still deliver better encoding performance. If you are lucky you'd be able to stream at slow or slower preset. It depends on how much you value money over stream quality. You're getting "more" for your money if you get an i7, just not much more. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
Going from a lower end i3 to an overclocked i7 or even a 3930k for example you can take massive gains, as much as 25-50% id guess, but that is different and its hardly grounds to reccomend sandy/ivy i7 over i5 for gaming and streaming, of course the i7 is technically superior to the i5 (at worst you can disable HT and be equals) so if you have money to throw at it you can, but people are misinformed for how much it will actually help them. In terms of sc2 performance while streaming, you gain nothing. In terms of stream settings, as said without a lot of testing and pushing you gain nothing at all, at 720p60/1080p30 at veryfast you gain nothing at all. I would strongly reccomend going i7 over i5 first gen, but in sandy/ivy and current enviroments you really just dont gain much from it. The 2500k/3570k is amazing, and its not really a case of "good enough" rather than literally almost identical to all but the extreme user. | ||
Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On January 07 2013 20:29 FinalRoundBR wrote: I want to stream consoles games (PS3/X360) with a Avermedia C027 (wich I already have) in 720p@30. With that in mind, what setup would let me do that fine? I want to spend the minimum possible. Not sure why we're mentioning i5 vs i7 for purely encoding a measly 720p 30fps and not playing on the streaming computer at all. I doubt the difference in quality from i3 to i5 is going to be significant, especially considering how crap console games look in the first place. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
For those purposes anyhow if thats all you want to do there's little reason to go above sandy bridge i3 | ||
FinalRoundBR
Brazil2 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:49 ZeroTalent wrote: Well, it depends on how much you want to fiddle with XSplit or OBS settings. But more CPU is always useful for streaming. Yes an i3 can stream 720p at veryfast preset. But a faster CPU will let you use a slower preset and deliver more quality than a typical veryfast stream, given the same bitrate EDIT: but some of the quality gains are marginal, especially in high-motion scenes. Bitrate is usually the primary driver of quality. At factory speeds, the i7 will be strictly better than the i5. I would imagine you can stream at medium preset, certainly fast preset. At overclocked speeds (4.2 for i7; 4.6 for i5), it's harder to tell which is better. I think the i7 would still deliver better encoding performance. If you are lucky you'd be able to stream at slow or slower preset. It depends on how much you value money over stream quality. You're getting "more" for your money if you get an i7, just not much more. This is what I wanted to know, I saw on a thread in XSplit forums that the "medium" preset is a huge help for streamers with low bandwidth, and the i7 definitely gonna help with this. I guess I'm going with the i7 . Thank you everyone. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20149 Posts
Note the scales I dont think you see much more benefit in live encoding, if any more at all, and its very hard to test of find lots of information about. If you get gains, they are not massive, if even noticable at all in a blind test. The performance added from HT will get you maybe 1 preset further down, if that - you cant compare veryfast vs medium, slow or slower, because HT doesnt create anywhere near that much of an encoding performance gap | ||
| ||
GSL Code S
2024 Season 1: Ro8 - Group A
Maru vs Classic
ByuN vs herO
[ Submit Event ] |
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War GuemChi 2811 Dota 2Bisu 1811 actioN 703 Shine 380 BeSt 332 Mini 210 Soulkey 209 Light 198 ZerO 94 Free 87 [ Show more ] League of Legends Counter-Strike Super Smash Bros Other Games Organizations Other Games StarCraft: Brood War StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War
StarCraft 2 • Berry_CruncH274 StarCraft: Brood War• LUISG 9 • Migwel • aXEnki • intothetv • Gussbus • Poblha • Kozan • IndyKCrew • LaughNgamez Trovo • Laughngamez YouTube League of Legends |
WardiTV Invitational
Oliveira vs Spirit
Oliveira vs Wayne
Oliveira vs MaNa
Oliveira vs Clem
Clem vs Wayne
Clem vs MaNa
Clem vs Spirit
Spirit vs Wayne
PassionCraft
StarsWar
Maru vs Stats
Cure vs Classic
Solar vs GuMiho
ByuN vs herO
BSL
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
Dark vs JDConan
Korean StarCraft League
StarsWar
WardiTV Invitational
CSO Cup
ForJumy Cup
BSL
Zhanhun vs WolFix
Dienmax vs Cross
[ Show More ] Sparkling Tuna Cup
StarsWar
WardiTV Invitational
ESL Open Cup
StarsWar
ESL Open Cup
ESL Open Cup
StarsWar
Club NV x Duckling Show…
GSL Code S
|
|