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Ok, ive got a few questions for yall. All relating to my PC randomly restarting, or freezing where the image on screen stays static, and the sound loops horribly, scares the shit out of me everytime. No BSOD, only get Kernel 41 error in event viewer, not much to go on. Seems to only happen when im gaming, CSGO yesterday, was frozen, needed to hard reset it, and today, i just quit Skyrim, and 2 mins later, it just restarted out of nowhere while in the desktop. (I suspect PSU)
Specs
+ Show Spoiler + Win 7 X64 Corsair TX 750 PSU Haswell i5 4670k (stock) 2x4gb Gskill 2133 mhz (using XMP profile, 11-11-11-30) Samsung 840 128GB SSD GTX 770 (stock) (332.21) Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler Maximus VI Hero Z87 (bios version 0224) going to try updating it tomorrow
1------ Im using Core Temp to check my temps, and according to Core Temp, the temps will jump to like 78C, but 1 second later the average of my cores is at like 50C give or take. I was watching it while running some games, and all the cores would be around 50C, but randomly BAM, 78C, then back to the 50 or so, the spikes are weird in that most of the time my CPU seems really cool, and wondering if thats anything to worry about, or if its just a problem with Core Temp reading the temps correctly.
2------ If anyone has a GTX 770, what drivers have been stable for you guys? Was @ 314.22 for like 8 months while crashing like once a month or so, but seemed more or less stable lol. So i did fresh install with 332.21, and all was well for the passed couple of months. Now, randomly getting these weird hard freezes again where the sound loops, and the image on screen is frozen, requiring a hard reset. So i will probably clean install some new/old drivers in hopes something good happens, so any suggestions on which drivers I should try out next.
3) I will be updating my Bios version for my Maximus VI Hero (currently on 0224 from when i built this thing), any suggestions for the new Bios version i should get? I assume anything is better than 0224 from last year.
Since no BSOD's, its frustrating as fuck trying to pin point problems. I cant get a BSOD no matter what i do. So my guess is my Corsair TX 750 PSU is the problem, but i have no other PSU to switch out and test it, nor do i have another GPU.
So ya, temps seems fine across the board (see question 1), memory hasn't been an issue, but running a MemTest before bed, just in case. I will also be trying a new wall socket tomorrow as well, lol thats how desperate i am. I also ran a chkdsk and came back normal.
So in summary, ive had this problem for about 8 months, even with 314.22 drivers for the 770, doing a driver sweeper and installing my current drivers 332.21 seemed to solve my issue for about the passed 3 months. Now its back to crashes every few days, without warning. I also figure its not RAM since i thought i would get a BSOD if it was RAM.
Anyways, off to run Memtest and go to bed. Will report back tomorrow with the results, I will also be updating my Nvidia drivers (clean install using this method http://www.overclock.net/t/1150443/how-to-remove-your-nvidia-gpu-drivers ) to the latest version, unless you guys think otherwise. Will try a new wall socket, and update my BIOS to the newest version as well, 1402 from March 14th. See you guys tomorrow! Thanks in advance!
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One more thing, is it bad if i were to plug my surge protector into an extension chord, my closest other socket is in the next room, so the length of the surge protector is not long enough, ive got a 16 gauge ext chord, but wondering if it will cause issues. Hope your enjoying all the lovely questions! lol.
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So 12 passes with MemTest and no errors, as i suspected, RAM is fine. Will now Update my Bios, once my PC crashes again, which im sure it will, I will report back, and update my nvidia drivers, once that crashes, will try a new wall socket, once that crashes lol, well, i think we can assume PSU is failing? Lets hope i dont brick my PC while updating this BIOS hehe. Talk to you guys soon!
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1; It does that to me too, not sure if legit
2; 335.23 and 337.5
3; Some versions make OC performance worse than others (need more vcore etc) so ask on the haswell overclocking guide thread on OCN which to take as there was discussion about it (darkwizzie's thread) or just look it up if you can be bothered searching, IIRC, there are specific older versions that perform better than newest.
Disable XMP*, manually set those memory timings and voltage but @1600mhz and then set pci-e to 2.0, then go out of bios and update your GPU drivers (preferably to 337.5, but try 335.23 if you still get problems) and see if stuff works
*Even if the RAM modules are fine, the memory controller on CPU can have issues. It happens occasionally - if you're not at 1600mhz on the RAM, you're overclocking the memory controller. Haswell IMC will usually take 2400-3200mhz or so 24/7, but sometimes requires some voltage tweaks for lower end, and won't run higher without changing volts like SA, DIO, AIO. Some are better than others, but if you're having problems with system stability, you should probably try @1600 on the RAM to be sure you have no problem with IMC overclock. If you're overclocking CPU, you should probably do it with 1600mhz RAM, and then re-OC the memory controller (setting RAM to 2400 or whatever) after everything else is stable again, etc
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On April 15 2014 06:27 Cyro wrote: 1; It does that to me too, not sure if legit
2; 335.23 and 337.5
3; Some versions make OC performance worse than others (need more vcore etc) so ask on the haswell overclocking guide thread on OCN which to take as there was discussion about it (darkwizzie's thread) or just look it up if you can be bothered searching, IIRC, there are specific older versions that perform better than newest.
Disable XMP*, manually set those memory timings and voltage but @1600mhz and then set pci-e to 2.0, then go out of bios and update your GPU drivers (preferably to 337.5, but try 335.23 if you still get problems) and see if stuff works
*Even if the RAM modules are fine, the memory controller on CPU can have issues. It happens occasionally - if you're not at 1600mhz on the RAM, you're overclocking the memory controller. Haswell IMC will usually take 2400-3200mhz or so 24/7, but sometimes requires some voltage tweaks for lower end, and won't run higher without changing volts like SA, DIO, AIO. Some are better than others, but if you're having problems with system stability, you should probably try @1600 on the RAM to be sure you have no problem with IMC overclock. If you're overclocking CPU, you should probably do it with 1600mhz RAM, and then re-OC the memory controller (setting RAM to 2400 or whatever) after everything else is stable again, etc
** Just a note, i am not OC'ing anything at the moment, everything i have is @ stock speeds, just to be clear haha, i obviously dont have the mental capacity to OC anything anyways heh.
Thanks for the reply! I noticed a bit too late as i have flashed my BIOS to the newest, even though i know some older version are better for OC'ing, i dont plan on OC'ing any time soon. As for XMP, thats a good point, my next crash, i will try that, right now sitting @ 2133Mhz, 11-11-11-30, 1.6V with XMP enabled, so next crash, i will go down to 1600 without XMP and manually set the timings and Volts, i would think Voltage will stay @ 1.6V, but my timings will be somewhat different? Either way ill look that up, maybe 9-9-9 28 or something like that. I haven't updated my GPU drivers yet either, just decided to do the MemTest and BIOS update for today, and see how things pan out, been running solid for 12 hours now....LOL. I know this fucking thing will crash again, but when, i have no idea.
Also, i noticed on Core Temp since switching to the new BIOS, my temps arent spiking into the high 70's anymore, so, thats a plus i guess lol. Aright, will keep this thread posted as soon as more problems occur. Thanks again.
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Just a note, i am not OC'ing anything at the moment, everything i have is @ stock speeds
Yea i figured, just the memory controller stock speed is ~1600 and XMP "automatically" overclocks it to run at the speed that your RAM can run at, which does not always work perfectly
since i hardly mentioned it and it's probably one of the most important things in message (easy to lose), i'l say again to try with pci-e set to 2.0
For memory timings, just using whatever your 2133 primaries were at 1600 is fine. Not optimal for performance, but if it fixes your problems you'd either go back and try to stabilize 2133, or then look at other solutions (you probably won't use whatever you set here for long)
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On April 15 2014 16:59 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +Just a note, i am not OC'ing anything at the moment, everything i have is @ stock speeds Yea i figured, just the memory controller stock speed is ~1600 and XMP "automatically" overclocks it to run at the speed that your RAM can run at, which does not always work perfectly since i hardly mentioned it and it's probably one of the most important things in message (easy to lose), i'l say again to try with pci-e set to 2.0 For memory timings, just using whatever your 2133 primaries were at 1600 is fine. Not optimal for performance, but if it fixes your problems you'd either go back and try to stabilize 2133, or then look at other solutions (you probably won't use whatever you set here for long)
Roger that. What exactly is the function of setting Pci-e to 2.0, i assume its on Auto, or 3.0 at the moment, but they are backwards compatible arent they? Im guessing there's been issues in regards to what pci-e is set at in the bios? I did read something about people having trouble getting the bios to read their GPU as x16, it showing as x8 instead, perhaps related?
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On April 15 2014 17:36 rebuffering wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 16:59 Cyro wrote:Just a note, i am not OC'ing anything at the moment, everything i have is @ stock speeds Yea i figured, just the memory controller stock speed is ~1600 and XMP "automatically" overclocks it to run at the speed that your RAM can run at, which does not always work perfectly since i hardly mentioned it and it's probably one of the most important things in message (easy to lose), i'l say again to try with pci-e set to 2.0 For memory timings, just using whatever your 2133 primaries were at 1600 is fine. Not optimal for performance, but if it fixes your problems you'd either go back and try to stabilize 2133, or then look at other solutions (you probably won't use whatever you set here for long) Roger that. What exactly is the function of setting Pci-e to 2.0, i assume its on Auto, or 3.0 at the moment, but they are backwards compatible arent they? Im guessing there's been issues in regards to what pci-e is set at in the bios? I did read something about people having trouble getting the bios to read their GPU as x16, it showing as x8 instead, perhaps related?
I dunno if it's related, but i know that there are some stability issues for some set to 3.0
They're backwards compatible and 2.0 x8 shouldn't have a notable impact on your performance, though you can probably run at 2.0 x16
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On April 15 2014 17:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 17:36 rebuffering wrote:On April 15 2014 16:59 Cyro wrote:Just a note, i am not OC'ing anything at the moment, everything i have is @ stock speeds Yea i figured, just the memory controller stock speed is ~1600 and XMP "automatically" overclocks it to run at the speed that your RAM can run at, which does not always work perfectly since i hardly mentioned it and it's probably one of the most important things in message (easy to lose), i'l say again to try with pci-e set to 2.0 For memory timings, just using whatever your 2133 primaries were at 1600 is fine. Not optimal for performance, but if it fixes your problems you'd either go back and try to stabilize 2133, or then look at other solutions (you probably won't use whatever you set here for long) Roger that. What exactly is the function of setting Pci-e to 2.0, i assume its on Auto, or 3.0 at the moment, but they are backwards compatible arent they? Im guessing there's been issues in regards to what pci-e is set at in the bios? I did read something about people having trouble getting the bios to read their GPU as x16, it showing as x8 instead, perhaps related? I dunno if it's related, but i know that there are some stability issues for some set to 3.0 They're backwards compatible and 2.0 x8 shouldn't have a notable impact on your performance, though you can probably run at 2.0 x16
Awesome, will report back when my PC crashes again lol. Thanks!
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So, its been less than a month since I updated my BIOS, everything seemed good. But just now, PC shutdown. No BSOD, no freeze, just blank screen, pc shutoff, then came back on. So now im going to set the ram to 1600 Mhz as you said, but when i look at the section where it says "PCI-e Speed", theres 3 options, Auto, Gen 1, Gen 2. Now, shouldn't it say Gen 3 since its PCI-e 3.0? And Cyro, i just set the PCI-e speed to Gen 1, will that make it run in 1.0? It doesn't make sense to me, that i have no option to set it to 2.0 or 3.0. Something is wrong here i think. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.
Also, tomorrow will remove my 332.21 drivers and install the 335.23 for my 770. Also, just occured to me that my card is an "OC" version, so i may "downclock" the thing to meet regular 770 speeds, and see if all this shit together will stop the crashing. I still think its my PSU tho. Anyways, thanks.
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Just set Gen2 and check what gpu-z says while running the render test. It should say 2.0 x16
Use 337.50 driver and not 335.25, also i don't think it's PSU
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The third slot is a PCIe 2.0 slot, controlled by the PCH, so you would be in the wrong settings unless you have your GPU plugged into the third slot.
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^^^^ Thanks guys, will try this, and report back next crash lol. And my vid card is in the correct slot, so i dunno whats up with that. Maybe wrong bios section or something, anyways thanks guys, ill let you know whats up.
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To be honest, this kind of instability has been somewhat common and very annoying. pci-e 3.0 to 2.0 used to make it better for me i think (didn't exactly scientifically test) but nvidia drivers and i think some z87 boards have been a bit weird at times. Numerous bios updates list things like fixes for pci-e compatibility and some GPU drivers do it worse than others, AFAIK. Have seen it on like a dozen systems though including mine, which i why i wouldn't be so quick to blame the PSU.
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On May 11 2014 14:20 Cyro wrote: To be honest, this kind of instability has been somewhat common and very annoying. pci-e 3.0 to 2.0 used to make it better for me i think (didn't exactly scientifically test) but nvidia drivers and i think some z87 boards have been a bit weird at times. Numerous bios updates list things like fixes for pci-e compatibility and some GPU drivers do it worse than others, AFAIK. Have seen it on like a dozen systems though including mine, which i why i wouldn't be so quick to blame the PSU.
Yeah i hear ya, its been frustrating dealing with this, and reading online many other have the same issues. Im curious tho if you have the same mobo as me Maximus 6 Hero, the only place i could find any setting to change my PCI-e was under PCH Configuration, then i select PCI Express Configuration, and then there's the 3 options i talked about earlier, auto-gen1-gen2. I just set it back to Gen 2, CPU-Z shows x16 under mainboard. Also, you said to get the 337. drivers, those are Beta drivers, should i worry about that? Or just do it?
Edit: Derp just used GPU-Z and its showing PCIe 3.0 x16 @ x16 3.0
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Like I said before, that controls the third slot so unless you have your GPU in the third slot, changing that setting will do nothing. The PCIe settings for the first two slots are under system agent.
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On May 11 2014 15:14 skyR wrote: Like I said before, that controls the third slot so unless you have your GPU in the third slot, changing that setting will do nothing. The PCIe settings for the first two slots are under system agent.
lol fuck my life, ok thanks, ill go take a look inna bit, i don't know why im so blind today.
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Bios can be confusing lol
yea there are two different pci-e, on most z87 boards you have x16/x0 or x8/x8 from the CPU and the third slot is PCH pci-e. You want to set the regular slots from auto/gen3 to gen2 to see if it changes anything, as it doesn't really affect performance at all even on 2.0 x8 and it can cause issues in cases (though it really shouldn't)
337.50 is still beta? Well, grab them if you want, it's first driver in a while to make really serious performance changes in some cases (cpu optimization) but i've had a few stability issues recently - not sure if related to that in particular. It's quite old at this point, over 1 month, so whql release is probably really close
I have a z87x-ud3h
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On May 11 2014 15:23 Cyro wrote: Bios can be confusing lol
yea there are two different pci-e, on most z87 boards you have x16/x0 or x8/x8 from the CPU and the third slot is PCH pci-e. You want to set the regular slots from auto/gen3 to gen2 to see if it changes anything, as it doesn't really affect performance at all even on 2.0 x8 and it can cause issues in cases (though it really shouldn't)
337.50 is still beta? Well, grab them if you want, it's first driver in a while to make really serious performance changes in some cases (cpu optimization) but i've had a few stability issues recently - not sure if related to that in particular. It's quite old at this point, over 1 month, so whql release is probably really close
I have a z87x-ud3h
Well to be honest, more i think about it, less i want to change drivers lol. 332.21 have been pretty good to me, well, i think, haven't noticed 1 way or the other, so ill see what happens with ram @ 1600 and PCIE @ gen 2, once that fails ill try some new drivers, maybe 337.50 will be whql by then hehe. Thanks for the help guys, will report back, eventually lol.
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Since you paid for all that stuff over h81+i5 4670, are you ever planning to OC?
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On May 11 2014 17:58 Cyro wrote:Since you paid for all that stuff over h81+i5 4670, are you ever planning to OC?
Haha, i do plan on OCing eventually yes.
Ok so my PC shutoff once again, this is after setting ram @ 1600 and changing PCIE to gen 2, lastes about 2 days. So i guess now i try the 335 drivers, and see how that goes. Im also considering lowering my clocks to the standard clocks for a 770, sound like a good idea? Im at a loss at this point, maybe my mobo is fucked, i dunno. Temps are great across the board.
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