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Hi People!
I use prescription optical lenses, I have many things my sight isn't good for all.
I've played the whole life since like I was like 6-8yo and I'm actually almost 29. 640x480 on DOS games, etc.
I've pass for some resolutions, untill 1080p came out.
The first time I saw a 1080p monitor I said instantly, damn, everything is so tiny. (Never had this issue with my 19" 720p monitor) but I wanted a bigger monitor so I felt in the obligation to buy a 24" 1080p (2 years ago)
and my gaming life and working life (I work on TI) has been awful.
I'm aware that if I stay all day in front of a PC and it's obvious that I'll get my eyes tired and blurry vision. but this got muuuuch worse since I'm using a 1080p resolution. (My eyes ain't getting worse, I keep my vision at the same level doctor says)
1366 for me is beautiful, I feel like my eyes much less tired. in 1080p feels like I have a cloud in front of my eyes that pushes them to the inside (Being dramatic here just to give an idea), This feeling is most likely when I read, watching videos I have no problem.
I go to my ophtalmologist every years, there is nothing he can do for me. I've tried Flux to reduce eyestrain and everything but it doesn't work too much.
I can't stop using the PC be cause is my job, and I'm a gamer, you know what I mean? we play for life !!
I do want to use a 720p resolution (i have a 2dary tv 32"@ 720) I see very good in it but's too big.
I need a +23 Monitor but keeping the 720p resolution.
They are so uncommon, I also live in Chile so it will be harder for me to find it but I can try.
Do you guys have any thought on my issue? what can I do? wich monitors have what I'm asking for?
Thanks for taking the time to read me and excuse my english.
Greetings <3 -Leon
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Is there a reason you can't just set your system (or game) resolution to 1280x720? It's not native, but you shouldn't really see a big difference between downscaling the image and using a 720p monitor, and it's likely that you wouldn't see any difference at all while playing games.
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United Kingdom20157 Posts
24" 1080p a few feet away from you is already fairly big - it sounds to me like you can't focus well enough to comfortably read text that isn't big, but i'm not sure what could cause that and be uncorrectable by lenses.
A 27" screen is about 26.6% bigger than 24" by area, so that might be better for you. There are also tools and settings that can increase font sizes for most desktop work (and especially web browsing) but it's harder to do that inside of games.
There's a range of ~27" 1080p monitors. If you wanted to run lower resolution sometimes, there are also 1440p 27" monitors that can display 720p perfectly (as they have double the width and height of a 720p monitor) but they're more expensive. I don't know of any monitors in the 20-25" range that are natively ~720p.
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I have vision correction myself (myopia and astigmatism) and without it, i get the same discomfort specifically on text - but it's not that bad, not a problem most of the time (unless a website uses very poorly contrasting colors, a font is a few sizes too small, etc) and glasses can correct it almost 100%
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Thank guys for taking the time.
Lenses in my case doesn't correct 100% of the vision, I have 80% of vision using lenses.
The problem is that working all day on PC and then playing is killing my eyes, and get tired very fast.
I've seen some "rares" 24" monitors @ 720p they exist, but they are hard to find, at least in stores they probably wont be. Id have to buy a 2nd hand one.
a 27-28 monitor is technically able to use 720p with no problem? if that's the case it could be awesome for me. please try to share me some good monitors !
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United Kingdom20157 Posts
You can always set the monitor to a lower resolution, it just doesn't usually look good. If the monitor if 4x the resolution that you want (like a 27" 1440p monitor) then you can put it to half the width and height (720p) without it looking worse than a native 720p monitor
those monitors are pretty expensive. For cheaper stuff, maybe there are some medium sized 720p tv's (around 25") but some TV's have issues with input lag etc which make them hard to use for a computer monitor. It depends on the model
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On January 31 2016 19:57 Cyro wrote: You can always set the monitor to a lower resolution, it just doesn't usually look good. If the monitor if 4x the resolution that you want (like a 27" 1440p monitor) then you can put it to half the width and height (720p) without it looking worse than a native 720p monitor
those monitors are pretty expensive. For cheaper stuff, maybe there are some medium sized 720p tv's (around 25") but some TV's have issues with input lag etc which make them hard to use for a computer monitor. It depends on the model
maybe tha'ts the problem, Im using a Samsung LED TV, it says 2ms delay.. but maybe its not? maybe im talking crap, im just throwing ideas.. LT24C301 it doesn't even appears at samsung webpage..
i'll have to acquire something l ike that you say maybe, a 27-28 to use it at 720..
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United Kingdom20157 Posts
it says 2ms delay
You're probably talking about "response time" which doesn't actually describe the delay before the screen displays image, only a part of the delay (you can have 1ms g2g response time and 30ms lag)
that won't change anything if you're having trouble reading text that is not moving, but screen lag makes games more awkward
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On February 01 2016 14:01 Cyro wrote:You're probably talking about "response time" which doesn't actually describe the delay before the screen displays image, only a part of the delay (you can have 1ms g2g response time and 30ms lag) that won't change anything if you're having trouble reading text that is not moving, but screen lag makes games more awkward thanks bud, what should i've looking when I go to buy one? 1440p what else?
edit: just figured it out as you said, 1440 monitors are pretty expensive.
so my only option could be an HDTV 24" @ 720p.
Sadly they have alot of input lag.. so I don't know what to do
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You may be overthinking a problem you don't really have. I would try just lowering the resolution on the monitor you already have.
You can display 720p on a 1080p monitor, it's just not a 2:1 ratio of pixels, so your graphics card will average values between pixels to simulate the effect of turning every 1.5 pixels into a pixel of a 720p image. I think the effect of stretching a 720p resolution image over 24 inches overshadows the effect of this computation, to the point that if you're unhappy with the image on your 1080p monitor, you'll probably also be unhappy with a TV.
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Some thoughts:
a) Have you tried to increase the text size in the applications you are working in? This should give you the best of both worlds: Text in a size that you are comfortable with, but rendered with more pixels. I guess not all applications will offer this feature, but have a look. If the programs you are currently using won´t let you do this, maybe there are others in your line of work that do. Also, most operating systems these days will let you increase the size of text and possible also the user interface in general on your system.
b) Are you saying that your new monitor is in fact a television set? I´m not sure if a tv made for viewing at a distance of several meters is ideal for use as a computer monitor. Then again I may be very wrong about this.
c) What did you do with your old monitor? I guess you don´t have it lying around still, but maybe you gave it to a family member or someone with who you could exchange it for your new one? If you can´t get your hands on that exact piece of hardware, I´d try your local classified ads. There should be some lower resolution monitors for sale there.
d) Have you heard about the "20-20-20-rule"? It suggests that to keep your eyes relaxed when reading or working on a PC, for every 20 minutes of screen time you should find something at least 20 feet away and look at it for at least 20 seconds.
e) When you write "prescription optical lenses", do you mean contact lenses or eyeglasses? If you mean contacts, what sort of contacts do you have? How long do you use them at a time?
In my experience, contact lenses are more straining than eyeglasses. Also, eyeglasses you can take off whenever you want, with contacts that is more of a hassle.
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For a somewhat controversial take on the psychology and physiology of vision and vision correction, you may want to read Aldous Huxley's book "The art of seeing". In fact, I highly recommend it.
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i like my stuff to be big too, so what i did was just have a 24inch monitor and use windows scaling setting for windows stuff, chrome u can control + mousewheel to make every side bigger. for gaming well, i deal with it with stuff like wow - my interface is pretty huge, sc2 /d3 well i ve to deal with it being a bit tiny for my eyes
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I use Windows Font at 150% I use eyeglasses My Display is a HDTV, so it will have maybe PWM related flickering. high response time (it says 2ms) but this is by no means a 2ms monitor cause is an HDTV, TV's almost always have like +8ms, even more if it's an old HDTV like mine that doesn't even appears at the Samsung webpage.
I've read that IPS monitors are very good for eyes, people who suffer from eyestrain, has solve their issue with this IPS panels. also ASUS says they have multiple technology to supply this issue.
I'm putting my eyes on this
http://www.amazon.com/MX239H-1920x1080-AH-IPS-Back-lit-Monitor/dp/B00B1IAL7W
Monitor.LCD.con.retroiluminacin.LED.IPS.23.MX239H
the 25" has eyecare technology that includes
But it is an "Advanced" IPS Display, with anti-Flickering due to britness issue and some other stuffs http://www.asus.com/Microsite/2015/display/eye_care_technology/
5 ms gray to gray it's pretty expensive in my country, like 450 bux.. but I'm thinking im my health..
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Increase your text size :|
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On February 02 2016 12:26 hellokitty[hk] wrote: Increase your text size :| you can't increase every application font, in terminal Server i'm more fvcked, there is no way to change it and Microsoft knows it.
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United Kingdom20157 Posts
it's pretty expensive in my country, like 450 bux.. but I'm thinking im my health..
If you have issues specifically with reading small text but not big text then i think you should focus on getting bigger text
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On February 03 2016 05:06 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +it's pretty expensive in my country, like 450 bux.. but I'm thinking im my health.. If you have issues specifically with reading small text but not big text then i think you should focus on getting bigger text Thank you for keep answering me.
Reading is what most bothers me but it usually happends on "wall of text" i got like desperate and then blur vision, hard to focus.
I cannot feel inmersive into the games cause i don't see many details. In mobas for example many times I don't pay attention to minimap cause they are so tiny details to see that bothers me. and you can't make them bigger.
I've reading about the ASUS EyeCare Technology, I was like "ey that's what I prolly need"
Eyecare technology are two things
-Ultra low blue light (I can live without it because is the same or almost as FLUX "application to change color temperature") -anti flickering, i've never seen flickering on my dirty ugly 24 Samsung TV. There is no clear information about this, because is related to the brightness system and manufacturers doesn't specify it. it means that if you set a low brightness <100% it should have a tiny flickering.(doing the correct test to figure it out)
I don't know wich is the best for eyestrain, What should I prioritize
-Low MS, I don't know if this can affect -Panel Type -monitor HZ i've read that higher HZ reduce eye fatigue. -24 or 27 monitor
should i take the asus with eye care technology, can be a marketing thing too..
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United Kingdom20157 Posts
There are a lot of different types of eye strain
response time + refresh rate should only matter for looking at stuff that is moving
input lag can make gaming annoying if that particular monitor or TV has it, but shouldn't affect eye strain
panel type bothers some people, but isn't usually a big deal AFAIK
i think your best bet for everything is to have a big monitor with low-ish resolution set, just to make everything bigger
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It's been said before and I can't read anywhere that you've tried it..So I will just ask 1 question.
Have you TRIED setting your resolution lower, or haven't you?
This seems like a self-created problem which doesn't exist (much like people who go to the doctor because they think they have some weird disease, because they have read it on the internet).
I honestly think that you should forget about the terms "1080p" and "720p" and start again with your diagnosing. Seems like 'tunnelvision' to me..
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This being said... I've seen instances where Windows' "ClearType" text actually reduces the viewing experience for users. So you may want to try turning this on/off.
Also, there should be a "Menu" button on your samsung screen (bottom right?). If you open that and navigate to "Sharpness", you may want to edit these settings. However, I'd advise you to only do this if you were able to correctly answer the resolution question.
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