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2774 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:15 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow. Well, what's changed is that now people work on TL full time, and that TL has to pay for the pro teams they hire. That hasn't changed my user experience very much, but it might have changed others'. It would be interesting to know if TL's teams cost them money, break even, or make money. I mean, I guess the business model is that if they have a team, people will come to the site and see their ads. But it almost feels like the basic reason for the existence of the website is to have those teams, which is intensely circular. As far as the people working full time, previously they were just volunteers. To some degree those volunteers are the people who became paid workers. If they continued on the previous model, there would be nothing to pay but server costs, and to a large extent the website still is volunteer driven, by virtue of being a forum. Even for front page content, I'm pretty sure it's still volunteer based.I don't really care about soundless, safe ads being included in the layout, it just seems worth it to point out lots of these costs have been invented. If gosugamers and those other sites have less ads, it's because they're not actually trying to pay a staff to fly to events, or a progaming team's operating costs. But that's TL's vision. It's less a business than a bunch of friends try to make their dreams come true. At the same time, being a member of these forums and caring about that vision are not the same thing, which is why I think the adblock is high, and a lot of people aren't going to care that Elly the elephant is sad you aren't supporting ESPORTS. So getting the same people who produce 99% of TL's content and appeal to also buy TL+ or click on your ads to pay for something that isn't part of what's interesting about TL for them, is kind of wishful, and certainly, as the quoted posts points out, a different experience from ye old TL. Or maybe I have it backwards, and the TL forum is somehow the money sink which everything else TL does is throwing money at to keep going. As far as I know that info isn't public. Since TLpro and TL.net are separate both financially and organizationally, TL.net is still almost purely unpaid volunteer staff except for severely needed maintenance staff. Ads are meant to cover these maintenance costs including server hosting costs for the website (and Liquipedia). It doesn't take long to figure out why additional ad space is required.
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On October 10 2015 04:19 Assault_1 wrote: Can you put CSS "display: none" on the ads if we have adblock? It shows as a big empty area for me this is beautiful. lol.
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Blazinghand
United States25545 Posts
On October 10 2015 04:19 Assault_1 wrote: Can you put CSS "display: none" on the ads if we have adblock? It shows as a big empty area for me
haha this can't be serious
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So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Btw, it seems really dumb if TLPro and TL.net are operated separately, considering that if this forum died or lost a significant amount of its users, the Pro Team side would lose almost all of its value in my eyes.
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On October 11 2015 11:45 FPSpectrum wrote: So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Btw, it seems really dumb if TLPro and TL.net are operated separately, considering that if this forum died or lost a significant amount of its users, the Pro Team side would lose almost all of its value in my eyes.
Good to know I am not the only firefox user cannot watching stream and open TL at the same time...It will cause firefox to lagging and sometimes pop up script errors. Maybe I should just open TL in chrome or something
Also whenever I open TL in firefox, it always tell me that firefox is stoping page from redirecting. This may not because of the new ads because I have been having this issue several months now.
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Will echo the new ad slot issue, even on chrome it slows down loading the rest of the page. (If it took it's time loading the ad only, I wouldn't care, but when it slows down the forum reading experience, it's extremely annoying / inconvinient).
Internet speed is fine so that's not the issue. Due to this I've also temporarily turned on blocking ads on tl, hoping to be able to whitelist it again soon. (New ad slot changed / fixed / adjusted so that it doesn't slow down browsing the forum otherwise.)
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Vatican City State78 Posts
I use Internet Explorer 11 and since the addition of these ads each time I come to this site my browser freezes and occasionally crashes, not to mention the ads make the site very choppy... Unfortunately, like many others, I am left with no choice but to enable ad blocking. Perhaps there is a better solution?
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There's definitely a better solution Don't use internet explorer
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Johto4729 Posts
To be honest, Microsoft Edge is better than Chrome at this point...
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I dont use adblock but youtube adblocker on chrome, I sometimes see yt adblocker is active on TL when videos are on. I think it makes the site damn laggy.
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I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side.
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How is this okay to TL users? ads on right side bar create excellent lags. Are they supposed to shine a new ad if old one before is done without refresh the site? I think this is the breaker why TL is lagging. Every new ad increases the lag until the TL site looks like freezed and if you dont have noticed that they are big RAM eater. Every new ad increases the RAM about 25000K. I monitored my windows task manager for "just for fun" and I stopped when chrome.exe*32 (there are few but that ONE) ate 900000K because TL site looked freezed.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
The new ad is a more popular ad size so there are more ads available to be serviced. Consequently there are some buggy ads creeping through. If you can let us know what the ad tag is for the ad we'll get on disabling those.
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I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full.
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On November 08 2015 20:32 Dingodile wrote: I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full. it might be better to provide a link to the ad by right clicking it, makes it easier for tl staff to help remove it.
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On November 08 2015 20:35 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 20:32 Dingodile wrote: I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full. it might be better to provide a link to the ad by right clicking it, makes it easier for tl staff to help remove it. videos aren't lagging at all, TL site does. right click does nothing.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
This made me realize I hadn't whitelisted TL! Now your % is slightly lower!!
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On October 11 2015 11:45 FPSpectrum wrote: So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Sadly this. TL is one of the few sites where I don't use Adblock. But if the right side ad includes movement, it basically kills the site for me. Unlike Spectrum I will deactivate it every few days and check what's going on, as yours is very well made, interesting content. For the record, both IE and Firefox freeze.
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On October 24 2015 23:03 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side.
yeah I got a loud autoplay at work last week and wasn't too happy
i took it off again and havent seen it since. basically as long as none of the ads expand, make noise, or contain porn or some bugg script I keept off
also considering the demographics this site caters to, I would think 55% is probably a low number no? that means al ot of white listing because I am sure more than 55% of posters have ad block
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On November 10 2015 06:53 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 23:03 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side. yeah I got a loud autoplay at work last week and wasn't too happy i took it off again and havent seen it since. basically as long as none of the ads expand, make noise, or contain porn or some bugg script I keept off also considering the demographics this site caters to, I would think 55% is probably a low number no? that means al ot of white listing because I am sure more than 55% of posters have ad block Just out of curiosity, has the ad block percentage changed after introducing this? (Sorry for bump)
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