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I have been apart reading through news and forum on Tl for over a year now and I have come to learn and love eSports and what eSports means for myself and the future. One of the guiding lights that got myself into watching starcraft was actually destiny. not to say that I wasn't aware of this community before hand, but through friends and the various websites and online streams, including Destiny's, I have truly come to love this amazing phenomena. I have even went to an MLG event and it was like nothing I have seen before. that was MLG Raleigh last August. Now almost every single night I play SC2 with friends and I have the goal to get from gold to diamond and have even started streaming through twitch. These goals have been through the inspiration of TL, MLG, Destiny and eSports as a whole. Currently as a write this destiny is stream, but his stream is not listed under the featured anymore. Which is fine and is TL made that decision its what ever its their website. That being said this website shares the same name as a competitive team and in some way shape and for probably shares their views. which is fine. TL what to legitimately help eSports as a whole. I get that its its more than okay. I feel though because the logic in my head tells me then, why is one of the pillars of new, information, community centered around a name of a competitive team. this can be seen as biased, unfair and a genius cause for concern in the effect legitimization of eSports. News, Media and other information dealing the capacity that TL does should not exist and can be seen as monopolizing a community. now all this stuff I am typing might not read clear. I prefer to speak face to face or over skype, but the points i have made I believe can be valid. Now in the context of this controversial issues I feel like TL should be a team website for its team. Not a unethical middle man that provides News allows people see the whose of whose is streaming quickly and effectively. if TL wants to talk about about ethic I am up for a debate. I would really like to talk to a mod privately or publicly. I am willing to type of skype just pm. TL is here for the community, that is there stance and just like everyone else I am a member of said community. and as a sign of trust, yes this account was made minutes ago and is a smurf. I do this because I am afraid of prosecution from mods who I have prosecuted my calling this site unethical, i understand that is why I would Like a PM and an open minded discussion at a latter date. Please mods, I have had respect for TL in the past. and I am a fan of eSports. Once I get some PM i will come forth with my real account.
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Bronze lesson on Europe right now on stream.
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On May 03 2012 12:58 ConorGreat wrote: I have been apart reading through news and forum on Tl for over a year now and I have come to learn and love eSports and what eSports means for myself and the future. One of the guiding lights that got myself into watching starcraft was actually destiny. not to say that I wasn't aware of this community before hand, but through friends and the various websites and online streams, including Destiny's, I have truly come to love this amazing phenomena. I have even went to an MLG event and it was like nothing I have seen before. that was MLG Raleigh last August. Now almost every single night I play SC2 with friends and I have the goal to get from gold to diamond and have even started streaming through twitch. These goals have been through the inspiration of TL, MLG, Destiny and eSports as a whole. Currently as a write this destiny is stream, but his stream is not listed under the featured anymore. Which is fine and is TL made that decision its what ever its their website. That being said this website shares the same name as a competitive team and in some way shape and for probably shares their views. which is fine. TL what to legitimately help eSports as a whole. I get that its its more than okay. I feel though because the logic in my head tells me then, why is one of the pillars of new, information, community centered around a name of a competitive team. this can be seen as biased, unfair and a genius cause for concern in the effect legitimization of eSports. News, Media and other information dealing the capacity that TL does should not exist and can be seen as monopolizing a community. now all this stuff I am typing might not read clear. I prefer to speak face to face or over skype, but the points i have made I believe can be valid. Now in the context of this controversial issues I feel like TL should be a team website for its team. Not a unethical middle man that provides News allows people see the whose of whose is streaming quickly and effectively. if TL wants to talk about about ethic I am up for a debate. I would really like to talk to a mod privately or publicly. I am willing to type of skype just pm. TL is here for the community, that is there stance and just like everyone else I am a member of said community. and as a sign of trust, yes this account was made minutes ago and is a smurf. I do this because I am afraid of prosecution from mods who I have prosecuted my calling this site unethical, i understand that is why I would Like a PM and an open minded discussion at a latter date. Please mods, I have had respect for TL in the past. and I am a fan of eSports. Once I get some PM i will come forth with my real account.
Sir, let me point you to TeamLiquid Pro! The website for Team Liquid the StarCraft 2 team. This is Team Liquid, a website for the e-sports community.
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On May 03 2012 12:58 ConorGreat wrote: I have been apart reading through news and forum on Tl for over a year now and I have come to learn and love eSports and what eSports means for myself and the future. One of the guiding lights that got myself into watching starcraft was actually destiny. not to say that I wasn't aware of this community before hand, but through friends and the various websites and online streams, including Destiny's, I have truly come to love this amazing phenomena. I have even went to an MLG event and it was like nothing I have seen before. that was MLG Raleigh last August. Now almost every single night I play SC2 with friends and I have the goal to get from gold to diamond and have even started streaming through twitch. These goals have been through the inspiration of TL, MLG, Destiny and eSports as a whole. Currently as a write this destiny is stream, but his stream is not listed under the featured anymore. Which is fine and is TL made that decision its what ever its their website. That being said this website shares the same name as a competitive team and in some way shape and for probably shares their views. which is fine. TL what to legitimately help eSports as a whole. I get that its its more than okay. I feel though because the logic in my head tells me then, why is one of the pillars of new, information, community centered around a name of a competitive team. this can be seen as biased, unfair and a genius cause for concern in the effect legitimization of eSports. News, Media and other information dealing the capacity that TL does should not exist and can be seen as monopolizing a community. now all this stuff I am typing might not read clear. I prefer to speak face to face or over skype, but the points i have made I believe can be valid. Now in the context of this controversial issues I feel like TL should be a team website for its team. Not a unethical middle man that provides News allows people see the whose of whose is streaming quickly and effectively. if TL wants to talk about about ethic I am up for a debate. I would really like to talk to a mod privately or publicly. I am willing to type of skype just pm. TL is here for the community, that is there stance and just like everyone else I am a member of said community. and as a sign of trust, yes this account was made minutes ago and is a smurf. I do this because I am afraid of prosecution from mods who I have prosecuted my calling this site unethical, i understand that is why I would Like a PM and an open minded discussion at a latter date. Please mods, I have had respect for TL in the past. and I am a fan of eSports. Once I get some PM i will come forth with my real account.
... surely if the mods were pissed at what you were saying they could ip track your real account from the ip on your smurf? Really this post i think should have gone into the website feedback forum and you wouldn't have to "fear" some sort of retribution from the mods as they have already said that they only ban users in that forum for being seriously stupid.
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So glad he is streaming some sc2 again, he is funnier when he plays LoL but I love me some sc2. Does he have 3 account in GM at the moment of did he just change his name to Destiny from QxGDestiny?
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Stream LoL, fuck SC2 man, I'm abandoning this ship and I hope Destiny will too so I can stand to watch his stream because it would be a shame not to.
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Yup he isn't with QxG anymore
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On May 03 2012 08:26 Zren89 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 07:32 haileris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:16 Zren89 wrote: I don't understand how people can confuse completely non-personal and "racially charged" slurs with personal and very very hurtful attacks on someone and their character. It looks like you're trying to justify racist comments. Your justification is that
( ) people have free speech and should be able to say whatever they want (X) they are just words ( ) context matters ( ) everyone says racist things to some extent ( ) you're not REALLY a racist, it's just a joke and everyone should lighten up ( ) there is some kernel of truth to stereotypes ( ) others being offended is not your problem, nor your fault ( ) black people use the word nigger, so white people can too
and therefore this is not a big deal. You're wrong. Here's why you're wrong. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have too many other flaws to list here because your augment holds water like a wet paper bag.)
Specifically, you are too self-centered to understand that
( ) there is a difference between rights and duties. You have a right to be a racist fuck, but you also have a duty to not be a racist fuck. ( ) I also have free speech and agency. I can react by being offended and calling out your asshole behavior. (X) words can offend people. Offending a group of people for something they cannot change (e.g. race and sexual orientation) is not nice. (X) people have had those racist words thrown at them previously in their life. It's possible they have suffered physical harm while hearing those racist words. ( ) just because some people are racist doesn't make it okay. (X) the context is that your racism is an asshole move and insults a class of people. Context matters for the person listening just as much. ( ) you're not making racial humor. You're not Dave Chapelle. It's racist. He knows where the line is for acceptable humor, you apparently do not. ( ) asking someone to lighten up when they've been called that name and been physically, economically, or emotionally hurt when the word was thrown around isn't funny to them. There's a reason they're offended. ( ) being an asshole to an entire class of people due to stereotypes encourages racist behavior for those that do not deserve it. Often times these stereotypes exist due to economic or cultural reasons -- that doesn't make it nice. ( ) offending others means they will fight back. ( ) offending others is your fault. It's your choice to offend them, but it's also their choice to be an asshole back to you. ( ) black people can use the word nigger and gay people can use the word fag because it is a reclaiming of an offensive word. It is an attempt to remove the sting from the word. You have no right to use it because you're not removing the sting, you're piling it on.
and the following philosophical objections may also apply: ( ) There is a difference between saying Cracker and Nigger. One has a history that sparks up racial hate that exists to this day. Calling someone a cracker does not bring up the topic of systematic racism. ( ) It's not a valid argument to justify racism because other people do it. That includes your accuser. Ad-hominem attacks don't work past 4th grade. (X) This is not the fun police, you can offend people and be an asshole, but racism is not nice. The difference is you are not only offending any single target -- you are offending a whole class of people. ( ) You are communicating in a broadcast medium, other viewers/observers can be offended. ( ) If you have a right to be an asshole, I also have a right to take action. ( ) You are not Rosa Parks fighting for majority rights. ( ) There's a difference between offending someone and offending a whole class of people. The Merry Pranksters are fun, racism is not. ( ) You need to empathize more with others, please check with your therapist on whether you have Aspergers. ( ) A slippery slope argument doesn't work. It's fairly obvious that calling someone nigger or fag is not okay. We can argue about hypotheticals all day but we are discussing a specific clear-cut example. ( ) From a utilitarian perspective, using racist remarks hurts business. ( ) Please read up on the "Invisible Backpack", your privilege is leaking out. ( ) You are not showing THE MAN, you just come off as an ignorant, provincial jackass. ( ) Living in a society where everyone is an asshole to everyone else is no fun.
Furthermore, this is what I think about you: (X) Sorry dude, you should try to empathize with others more. ( ) You are an asshole, please GTFO. ( ) Fuck off, I hope you say that shit in public and get shot.
I know very well that words can hurt people, but words can hurt people without them being racist can they not? one does not preclude the possibility of the other? they are not mutually exclusive, yes? I know very well that context matters to the listener. Way to take a single line from the post and expand it into the entire thesis of my argument, bravo you have just won the asshat of the day award, congratulations. Also a fucking form letter?!? You couldn't even summon the creativity or self-respect to write an original argument? Lazy AND self-important I see. Language isn't static. What means one thing today doesn't mean that tomorrow, words that didn't even EXIST twenty years ago are now common parlance, or do you think bootylicious was part of ye olde-english? Language is the tool, the person who is uttering it is the person who gives it the context, and (this isn't aimed at you in particular) the color of your skin or the orientation of your sexuality don't give you license to say something that someone else can't. WE have the right to freedom of speech, that fundamental truth is the reason that there aren't specific rules for US and another set for THEM, THAT is racist. So tell me again why I'm so self-centered that I can't understand why these words could possibly be hurtful to someone? Words hurt but its the person that uses them that makes them hurtful, the words in question are completely divorced from their "origins" in the context used by Destiny, and by many other people, go watch Anything by Louis C.K. and grow the fuck up! There are no inherently racist words, just inherently racist people. (X) You are an asshole, please GTFO.
I would say the bolded parts are very contradictionary if you consider their intended meaning.
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Destiny can say whatever he wants in his living room, and I am sure he is not going to cry at night because TL removed his stream.
By sterilizing the community, making decisions that cater to the politically correct casual gamer, TL will definitely lose the core audience it had during the BW glory days.
Destiny fighting to the end brothers, TL or not.
I'm not a fan of the guy, and I definitely despise his attitude towards SC2, but he is free to say what he wants on his stream.
TL should remove it like they have if they disagree with it, but maybe I will remove TL from my Firefox list.
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Is Destiny quitting SC2 or something? (Why is he playing LoL all the time?)
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Destiny's streaming SC2 now
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Destiny has the best music!
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On May 03 2012 12:58 ConorGreat wrote: I have been apart reading through news and forum on Tl for over a year now and I have come to learn and love eSports and what eSports means for myself and the future. One of the guiding lights that got myself into watching starcraft was actually destiny. not to say that I wasn't aware of this community before hand, but through friends and the various websites and online streams, including Destiny's, I have truly come to love this amazing phenomena. I have even went to an MLG event and it was like nothing I have seen before. that was MLG Raleigh last August. Now almost every single night I play SC2 with friends and I have the goal to get from gold to diamond and have even started streaming through twitch. These goals have been through the inspiration of TL, MLG, Destiny and eSports as a whole. Currently as a write this destiny is stream, but his stream is not listed under the featured anymore. Which is fine and is TL made that decision its what ever its their website. That being said this website shares the same name as a competitive team and in some way shape and for probably shares their views. which is fine. TL what to legitimately help eSports as a whole. I get that its its more than okay. I feel though because the logic in my head tells me then, why is one of the pillars of new, information, community centered around a name of a competitive team. this can be seen as biased, unfair and a genius cause for concern in the effect legitimization of eSports. News, Media and other information dealing the capacity that TL does should not exist and can be seen as monopolizing a community. now all this stuff I am typing might not read clear. I prefer to speak face to face or over skype, but the points i have made I believe can be valid. Now in the context of this controversial issues I feel like TL should be a team website for its team. Not a unethical middle man that provides News allows people see the whose of whose is streaming quickly and effectively. if TL wants to talk about about ethic I am up for a debate. I would really like to talk to a mod privately or publicly. I am willing to type of skype just pm. TL is here for the community, that is there stance and just like everyone else I am a member of said community. and as a sign of trust, yes this account was made minutes ago and is a smurf. I do this because I am afraid of prosecution from mods who I have prosecuted my calling this site unethical, i understand that is why I would Like a PM and an open minded discussion at a latter date. Please mods, I have had respect for TL in the past. and I am a fan of eSports. Once I get some PM i will come forth with my real account. Debate ethics? Form at least one full sentence first.
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He's streaming now for anyone that doens't follow his twitter.
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How about emailing teamliquid and own3d.tv asking why they support hate speech?
Destiny CONTINUES to use "gook, nigger, faggot" as of TODAY 5.9.2012 .. why are you giving him a platform to spew his hatred?
Does Own3d.tv and Teamliquid stand behind this kind of hate speech? Is this appropriate for a featured streamer on Own3d.tv and Teamliquid? Please advise. [link to imgur] Sent to pr@own3d.tv, partner@own3d.tv, sales@own3d.tv, teamliquid's contact us form (lol). Anyone out there who feels this kind of language is unacceptable, please e-mail.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/te4ry/destiny_continues_to_use_gook_nigger_faggot_tl/
User was warned for this post
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On May 09 2012 13:23 BRZ_DESTINY wrote:How about emailing teamliquid and own3d.tv asking why they support hate speech? Destiny CONTINUES to use "gook, nigger, faggot" as of TODAY 5.9.2012 .. why are you giving him a platform to spew his hatred? Does Own3d.tv and Teamliquid stand behind this kind of hate speech? Is this appropriate for a featured streamer on Own3d.tv and Teamliquid? Please advise. [link to imgur] Sent to pr@own3d.tv, partner@own3d.tv, sales@own3d.tv, teamliquid's contact us form (lol). Anyone out there who feels this kind of language is unacceptable, please e-mail. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/te4ry/destiny_continues_to_use_gook_nigger_faggot_tl/
How about not posting the same thing in 2 Destiny threads to try to troll his fans?
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