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Jaedong vs Kasparov

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  Vekzel   Poland. October 04 2009 03:51. Posts 142Profile Blog 
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Hello, TeamLiquiders!

Inspired by chess thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=18291,
and (Z)Jaedong's uncontested dominance:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102891

I tried to make a comparison between (Z)Jaedong and (T)Garry Kasparov,
who used to be chess No. 1 for a long time. Actually, these two have pretty much in common...

I. GARRY KASPAROV:

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Full Name: Garry Kimovich Weinstein
Born: 13 April 1963 (Age 46)
Nationality: Russian/Azeri/Jewish
Homeland: Baku, Azerbaijan
ELO Peak: 2851 (July 1999)
ELO Currently: Not rated (2812 on last FIDE entry)
Nicknames: The Killer, Kaspy
Status: Retired since 10 March 2005

Major Achievements:
- World Champion (1985-2000).
- #1 Highest rated player in history (1990-2005).
- #1 on FIDE rating lists (1986-2005).
- Most consecutive pro-tournament victories (15 wins, 1981-1990).
- Eight-time winner of prestigious Linares tournament.
- Eight gold medals of Chess Olympiad (with USSR/Russian team).

Openings:

- Sicilian Defence, Scheveningen Variation
- King's Indian Defence, Classical Variation
- Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin
...and many more

Current Duty:

- Coach of promising Norwegian player, Magnus Carlsen.
- Active in politics as leader of "The Other Russia" (Putin's opposition).
- Frequent on-line commentator during top-class chess events.

Style:

Kasparov is an agressive risk-taker, often aiming for double-edged positions and complicated games. With brilliant tactics and calculations, he often wins through combinational flurry of threats. He is also know for excellent opening preparation and re-inventing oldschool set-ups like Scotch Game.

Controversy:

Kasparov played his first WCh match in 1984, under very strange regulations. There was no game limit then, meaning the match could be played virtually forever if both players were to score draws all the time. However, Gazza's opponent, these days' champion Anatoly Karpov won 4 out of 9 initial games, and Kasparov seemed to be wiped out (first player to get 6 wins would clinch the title). After 17 draws, Karpov scored again, but Kaspy held out and won games 32, 47 and 48 (there were 40 draws in this slugfest). The match was finally ended without final result, by FIDE* President, Florencio Campomanes, who was worried about players' health (by this time, Karpov was reported to lose approximately 22lbs of weight). Though Kasparov was still 3-5 down at that point, he always believed the momentum was on his side, and he could win the whole match. This lead to big developement of hatred between him and Campomanes (and FIDE as well).

In 1993 Kasparov refused to play under FIDE rules and created his own chess organisation - PCA**. This was largely due to lack of financial rewards FIDE rules provided to World Championship cycle. Though Kasparov was banished from FIDE lists, he was still widely considered as World Champion, especially when new FIDE WCh format turned into average-players' fest. "The Schizm" lasted till 2006, when last PCA champ battled out FIDE World Champion in reunification match.

Nemesis:

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(P)Anatoly Karpov used to be Kasparov's lifelong opponent. "The Two Mr K" played over 200 official games, and despite Kasparov's overall success in taking/defending his World Championship, the overall score is pretty even to this day. Lately, Karpov, who is still an active tournament player, lost to Kasparov in showmatch 3-9.

Badass Quote:

"It will be Short and it will be short."
(Kasparov in 1993, when it turned out that he will fight England's Nigel Short in WCh Match).

Immortal Game:




Fun Video:




Master And Apprentice:

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Kasparov and Mikhail Botvinnik, former World Champion and Gazza's mentor.

Death Stare:

+ Show Spoiler +


* - FIDE - Fédération Internationale des Échecs = World Chess Federation
** - PCA - Professional Chess Association (by GK, disbanded in 1996)



II. JAEDONG:

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Full Name: Lee Jae Dong
Born: 9 January 1990 (Age 19)
Nationality: Korean
Homeland: Ulsan, South Korea
ELO Peak: 3459.3 (September 2009)
ELO Currently: 3124.0
Nicknames: Legend Killer, JD
Status: Active

Major Achievements:

- Three-time OSL winner (EVER 2007, Batoo 2009, Bacchus 2009).
- GOMTV winner (2008).
- WCG Korea winner (2008).
- First Progamer to break 3.000 ELO points barrier (August 2009).
- Highest ZvZ winning percentage in history (88 wins, 26 loses, 77.19%)
- Nine #1 appearances on TeamLiquid Power Ranking.

Openings:

- 3 Hatch Muta into 5 Hatch Hydra
- 3 Hatch Lurker/Ling
- 2 Hatch Muta/Ling
...and many more

Current Duty:

- Re-signed with Hwaseung OZ.
- Soon to recieve Lasik Surgery due to some trouble with sight.
- Gaming like crazy to prepare for upcoming season.

Style:

Jaedong is an agressive, somewheat micro-oriented player, though his macro is by no means weak anyway. Depending on excelent agility and game sense, he can pull off virtually any strategy, from all-in rushes to long, Zerg-management style battles. From time to time, he shows how to pull out something unorthodox.

Controversy:

August 2009 saw Jaedong carrying his Hwaseung OZ to Proleague final. "Legend Killer" did this almost single-handely and was expected to be the biggest threat for SK Telecom 1, the final obstacle in the championship run. However, JD adopted weird, weird strategy for his 1st game against (T)fantasy, going Guardians and skipping his favourite, fearful Muta-harass. Despite decent micro, his strategic failure brought him devastating defeat, when Terran pulled out massive Tank counterattack. Next day, JD was an absolute favourite to win ZvZ against somehow mediocre (Z)Hyuk. Yet, he again went for dubious build, 12Hatch against 9Pool speed. It turned into BO defeat, but many commentators stated that he could win easily if he played safe. Tyrant's last chance of comeback was rematch against (T)fantasy in Day 2 Ace Match. This time he was cheesed to death by Neo Medusa's fake wall that was in fact BBS rush with 1Rax hidden in heart of the map. 0-3 result obviously raised immortal questions about "JD slumping".

In September 2009 Jaedong declared free agency. His father speculated about possible JD's retirement, and expressed his dissatisfaction about his son's salary (which is kept at low level due to some irrelevant KeSPA rules). However, the regulations and general lack of serious transfer bids forced JD to re-sign with Hwaseung OZ with just little more money paid for his efforts. As a result, we got one more reason to say that KeSPA sucks (Note how similar it is to Kasparov's cause).

Nemesis:

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Though Jaedong developed some nice rivalries with (T)Flash and (P)Stork (the latter being the only progamer, who has positive score vs JD in good number of games), only Kim Taek-Yong is worth calling him Jaedong's Nemesis. Still, (P)Bisu has very much to prove against JD, especially since he has no OSL titles so far, and his famous PvZ is yet to be tested. However, recently Bisu beat Jaedong in a Proleague showmatch.

Badass Quote:

"I rate his defense 2/10."
(Jaedong in 2009, in double Bisu/JD interview, about Bisu's defensive capabilities).

Immortal Game:




Fun Video:




Master And Apprentice:

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Ma Jae Yoon said: "May force be with you."

Death Stare:

+ Show Spoiler +



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Poll: Who is No.1?
(Vote): Kasparov
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): Both are badass
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  SiZ.FaNtAsY   United States. October 04 2009 03:53. Posts 1290Profile Blog 
Great effort, but I really hate when people try to make these kinds of comparisons...
Karma is a bitch
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  polarwolf   October 04 2009 03:55. Posts 779Profile 
why is kasparov TLPDized as firebathero and Karpov as much?
 
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  Durak   Canada. October 04 2009 04:01. Posts 1517Profile Blog 
Cool comparison. I like the way you compiled it more than the comparison itself but I enjoyed it.
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  g3no   Mexico. October 04 2009 04:01. Posts 72Profile 
I think it was actually bisu who rated jd's defense lowly.
 
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  heyoka   United States. October 04 2009 04:03. Posts 2051Profile Blog 
Karpov's autobiography is pretty funny, he spends a lot of time in it mentioning how much he hates kasparov

Cool post!
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  Godimus   United States. October 04 2009 04:05. Posts 92Profile 
like comparing apples and oranges
im from the streets bitch
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  koreasilver   Canada. October 04 2009 04:08. Posts 3415Profile Blog 
Jaedong quote fail.
Canata gives new meaning to the phrase "time attacker." - EvoChamber
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  betaben   October 04 2009 04:09. Posts 566Profile Blog 
it's true that kasparov is the radical attacker, karpov the invunerable defender, so I guess jeadong fits into the attacker mould. btw, the kingscrusher videos are normally quite good, but this one had really bad audio. Short is presently doing quite well, but as he has admitted himself, he is competing and easily winning the second tier of tournaments because it earns him more money.

edit: btw, in my opinion, kasparov wins hands down in a contest.
Last edit: 2009-10-04 04:11:18
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  Avidkeystamper   United States. October 04 2009 04:11. Posts 7780Profile Blog 
Lol, this is a nicely done light-hearted piece.
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  Klive5ive   United Kingdom. October 04 2009 04:14. Posts 2542Profile Blog 
Kasparov is one of the greatest geniuses of the 21st century.
Jaedong... is a Starcraft player. Let's not lose too much perspective here please.
Dont hate the player - Hate the game
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  MuffinDude   United States. October 04 2009 04:16. Posts 2868Profile Blog 

uncontested dominance


I don't know about the uncontested part.
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  cosiant   Canada. October 04 2009 04:18. Posts 541Profile Blog 
I think you got Jaedong's ELO peak wrong, wasn't it 2353?
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
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  BrutalMenace   United States. October 04 2009 04:20. Posts 1192Profile Blog 
its been a long time since i actually read every word on the article... very well written that was entertaining
 
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  Kerotan   Great Britain. October 04 2009 04:21. Posts 603Profile Blog 
Jaedong was born a day after me?

HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS?

Also on topic, they are both badass, I've been a Kasparov fan for a while.
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  Hyperionnn   Turkey. October 04 2009 04:24. Posts 3563Profile Blog 

On October 04 2009 03:53 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
Great effort, but I really hate when people try to make these kinds of comparisons...



Yeah, kasparov and jaedong are not even comperable at any rate at all
 
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  Alur   Denmark. October 04 2009 04:31. Posts 599Profile Blog 
This being a starcraft forum, i think we might have a slight JD bias going on.
N
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  gchan   United States. October 04 2009 04:38. Posts 494Profile 
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be a TL computer simulated showmatch between the two. I was mildly disappointed. Nice write up though.
 
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  ProbeSaturation   Canada. October 04 2009 04:40. Posts 292Profile Blog 
"Still, (P)Bisu has very much to prove against JD, especially since he has no OSL titles so far, and his famous PvZ is yet to be tested."

This comment confuses me.

But check out bisu's hair. that's a ballin' haircut.
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  eshlow   United States. October 04 2009 04:56. Posts 1161Profile 

On October 04 2009 04:14 Klive5ive wrote:
Kasparov is one of the greatest geniuses of the 21st century.
Jaedong... is a Starcraft player. Let's not lose too much perspective here please.


I agree.

Fun piece though
 
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