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| OverLulz Germany. May 27 2010 22:41. Posts 75 | Profile # |
On May 27 2010 21:59 dbelok wrote:
5 games for 50$ to the first players who apply. I can almost guarantee all 5 spots sell in a day.
it would sell but i think it'll destroy the community aspect and become a business. I'd much rather donate 20 bucks instead of paying 5 to get my content featured. It's like idiotic shout outs other shoutcasters are doing where they just rush to get the money.
Sponsor would be great but I guess is hard to find. I'd go for a donation approach and see how it turns out. I'd be glad if Day9 could make a decent living with casting SC.
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| FrogOfWar Germany. May 27 2010 22:44. Posts 1245 | Profile # |
On May 27 2010 21:59 dbelok wrote:
Surrealz - supply and demand
In a way, we pay with our time every time we watch that ****ing 711 commercial before a blip cast (pick the green one and turn the sound off IMO). If he finds another sponsor, it will be similar.
If he opened up his reviews of mid-low level players for free, he'd have a list 129847139 games long and no incentive to do it.
Supply and demand. He's a great commentator and great player. People will be willing to pay for his time. I'd be more eager to load up a mid-level analysis that was paid for by a player, because I know Day9 would put in the extra effort to help a paying customer.
It would at least be worth a trial. Maybe a short "special review" series to test it out. 5 games for 50$ to the first players who apply. I can almost guarantee all 5 spots sell in a day.
I obviously don't know what Day[9] thinks about this, but I, as a regular viewer, don't like the idea at all. First, it would interfere with Day[9] freely choosing content that he considers interesting in some way. Will he be choosing x because it's interesting or because he is getting paid? Of course, both may be the case, but the potential conflict of interest will always be there. It will also produce tension when he reviews something for free because he simply wants to and people who previously paid feel treated unfairly. This will put pressure on him to give specific reasons for choosing something without getting paid, thus cutting in on his freedom as a publisher.
Second, noob coaching gets awfully redundant very soon. While I'm not necessarily any better than the silver/gold players he reviewed recently, I know that in SC you need to cut corners, to keep your minerals low, to keep your workers busy, to keep macroing when fighting, to expand when it's safe etc.etc. Most of that stuff will always come up, as it has to, when discussing mid-level replays. It might help the player, but it's otherwise not very interesting to hear for the nth time. In such a format, he would have to cover all the biggies, but the biggies are also easiest to spot yourself.
And players need to do that kind of thinking about their replays themselves, need to learn about strategy by watching, reading a lot, and of course trying out and applying what they learned. Thinking you can improve by just throwing money at someone doesn't quite seem to be the right philosophy.
(I also don't think that if he finds a sponsor, which I expect him to, that he will agree to something as intrusive as that ad you are referring to. The sponsor would be dumb to even ask for that. It would be far nicer for the viewer and thus more effective if he just mentions the sponsor kind of like they did in the HDH. I also wouldn't mind if it was for high heels :D) |
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| Puosu May 27 2010 22:51. Posts 6598 | Profile Blog # |
Day[9] has such a big name in the StarCraft scene nowadays he could just start coaching a la gosucoaching.com and practically take 90%++ of their audience because of his name value.
I guess that would take much away from the non-paying "customers", but I think we all can give up a few days of the week if Day[9] can make some dollars for his work. |
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| Takkara United States. May 27 2010 22:59. Posts 1439 | Profile Blog # |
On May 27 2010 22:44 FrogOfWar wrote:
Second, noob coaching gets awfully redundant very soon. While I'm not necessarily any better than the silver/gold players he reviewed recently, I know that in SC you need to cut corners, to keep your minerals low, to keep your workers busy, to keep macroing when fighting, to expand when it's safe etc.etc. Most of that stuff will always come up, as it has to, when discussing mid-level replays. It might help the player, but it's otherwise not very interesting to hear for the nth time. In such a format, he would have to cover all the biggies, but the biggies are also easiest to spot yourself.
It's not more repetitive than any teaching job. You have a curriculum, you teach it. Yes, you always teach the same things, but the reward of it (besides the money) comes from seeing someone "get it" and from the interactions with the student. Teaching people anything can be as rewarding as you're willing to make it. If you don't like teaching and you're only doing it for the money, you'll hate it. If you enjoy teaching, then you'll love it. Or anywhere in between.
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| Sandrosuperstar Sweden. May 27 2010 23:02. Posts 523 | Profile # |
In a way, we pay with our time every time we watch that ****ing 711 commercial before a blip cast (pick the green one and turn the sound off IMO). If he finds another sponsor, it will be similar.
if you set your browser to open a a new page every time you click a link then click on the 7/11 link and close it immediatly as it pops up, you skip the commercials and can watch the vid right away :D
Edit: oops removed the quote  Last edit: 2010-05-27 23:03:15 |
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| dbelok May 28 2010 01:52. Posts 5 | Profile # |
On May 27 2010 22:41 OverLulz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 21:59 dbelok wrote:
5 games for 50$ to the first players who apply. I can almost guarantee all 5 spots sell in a day.
it would sell but i think it'll destroy the community aspect and become a business. I'd much rather donate 20 bucks instead of paying 5 to get my content featured. It's like idiotic shout outs other shoutcasters are doing where they just rush to get the money. Sponsor would be great but I guess is hard to find. I'd go for a donation approach and see how it turns out. I'd be glad if Day9 could make a decent living with casting SC.
I dont understand why you like donations over paying for something where you get something back specifically directed towards you and your personal game.
A sponsor would inherently water down all content across the board. I dont know a whole lot about the SC casting scene, but I doubt any advertising offers would be very high.
If Day9 is being paid by his customers for a service they want, he's going to gear 100% of his content towards the customer. Average joe gets the attention/commentary he wants, and the rest of the average joes have something to relate to while they watch for FREE (and if you were inclined to donate, you still have that option).
If Day9 is being paid by Alienware for his content, stuff like "and look at those mutas blow up his expo on this brilliant Alienware machine! It really makes a difference! go buy one!" will be common. Even if you like a product, constant plugs are going to cause much more of an annoyance than if he is being paid by his customers for the service he is already providing.
If something is good and you want it to stick around for the long-term, $$$ is the key. Day9 is awesome for doing all this for free, but at the end of the day, a paycheck determines where you spend most of your time. Paid/Personalized reviews would allow him to keep doing the same thing without advertisements, except he gets paid for his time.
Otherwise, some day he's going to get offered a fat juicy paycheck at a new job and these casts will be squashed out.
Obv it is his cast and he can do what he wants with it. I'd much prefer "Today we'll be focusing on gold ranked Joebob182 and finding ways to improve his macro ability" than "Sen sure had the bawls to win that match! Drink bawls and grow your own bawls too!" |
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| blade55555 United States. May 28 2010 02:03. Posts 14125 | Profile Blog # |
On May 27 2010 17:25 aznmaster19 wrote:man. i wish i tried harder in school to get to UCLA and visit you day9 
haha while I don't want to go to UCLA I do wish I could meet Day in like WCG or blizzcon someday would be totally kick ass! :DLast edit: 2010-05-28 02:03:49 |
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| Takkara United States. May 28 2010 02:08. Posts 1439 | Profile Blog # |
| Pretty sure Day[9] HAS to host a meet-up at Blizzcon for his throng of followers. |
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| Tundravalco United States. May 28 2010 02:29. Posts 51 | Profile # |
| Is there a way to lower the stream quality on the bliptv vods? I can't download it fast enough so its buffering every 10 seconds |
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| Skrag United States. May 28 2010 03:22. Posts 643 | Profile # |
| Anybody else having a lot of trouble with download rates at blip.tv recently? I have a pretty big pipe, but they don't stream fast enough to not pause *very* frequently, and although downloading them instead of watching them directly on blip allows me to watch them interruption-free, I'm still only getting a max thoroughput of about 30K/second when downloading the vids. (my connection can easily handle 20 times that download rate, and does from other sites, so I'm pretty sure it's not on my end) |
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| LeX- Canada. May 28 2010 04:19. Posts 49 | Profile # |
From Episode 125:
![[image loading]](http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6623/kittenkiller.gif)
![[image loading]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6345/thugsnapcya.gif)
More to come!Last edit: 2010-05-28 04:46:26 |
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| RifleCow Canada. May 28 2010 04:26. Posts 553 | Profile # |
| Its amazing that Day9 spent all that time in High School going to SC tournaments and travelling and he still ends up going to top tier universities. |
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| cougar22 Canada. May 28 2010 04:42. Posts 75 | Profile # |
On May 27 2010 22:41 OverLulz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 21:59 dbelok wrote:
5 games for 50$ to the first players who apply. I can almost guarantee all 5 spots sell in a day.
it would sell but i think it'll destroy the community aspect and become a business. I'd much rather donate 20 bucks instead of paying 5 to get my content featured. It's like idiotic shout outs other shoutcasters are doing where they just rush to get the money. Sponsor would be great but I guess is hard to find. I'd go for a donation approach and see how it turns out. I'd be glad if Day9 could make a decent living with casting SC.
This. Have a donation link somewhere in your OP, and people will donate to keep you running. |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). May 28 2010 04:49. Posts 1509 | Profile Blog # | |
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| jacen Austria. May 28 2010 05:02. Posts 3643 | Profile Blog # |
my gf (who semi-watches when i watch your episodes) has started to call you the "OMG Guy".
right now i started watching #124 and i told her "I'm gonna watch the OMG guy again" and literally the NEXT second you say
OMG
shit was so cash :> |
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| LeX- Canada. May 28 2010 05:09. Posts 49 | Profile # |
On May 28 2010 05:02 jacen wrote:
my gf (who semi-watches when i watch your episodes) has started to call you the "OMG Guy".
right now i started watching #124 and i told her "I'm gonna watch the OMG guy again" and literally the NEXT second you say
OMG
shit was so cash :>
Haha my GF watches his episodes too, and she doesn't play SC..
She watches every episode and even the tournaments!
"Is Day9 casting it?"
"He's not casting this game?"
"Tell me when there's a Day9 cast" |
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| accaris May 28 2010 05:09. Posts 98 | Profile # |
| When was that expedition match he was going to play again? Or had the time been announced yet? |
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| speedphlux Bulgaria. May 28 2010 05:10. Posts 962 | Profile Blog # |
I like Day9 Dailies as they are now.
Payed reviews will make Day9 look like something else. It simply won't be that full of random errors like #125's ending, which to be honest, in my opinion, is one of the main reasons we all are watching this show.
If he starts getting payed to do it, it won't be from his heart as it is now. He'll start be more conservative in his comments. He'll babysit his Silver/Gold payed subscribers. That's quite worrying to me, coz it means that he won't be that great mentor that we all like.
If that happens (Day9 becoming a pay-to-review sort of teacher), then if one day the financial situation in my region improves, and I'm able to get a steady income flow, I'd still love to see a game of mine being reviewed. But I'm afraid that he'll be too nice and polite about my play, like tapping me on the shoulder and saying "There's a room to improve here, but you're doing a very good job. Keep it up!" sort of BS. If he reviewed a game of mine just out of kicks nowdays, I'm pretty sure he'll be saying something like "Dude, you're laughable. Just uninstall StarCraft 2. You're wasting your time. Honestly. Go back to playing racing games, coz at least I've heard you're good at those." and I wouldn't mind hearing that at all.
Well, of course he wouldn't use such harsh words, even nowdays, but that's simply because he loves his audience the same way we love him. In that way - he is one of us. The same way a Diamond Div player sleeps in all of us and a Silver/Gold Div player sits in the back of Day9's head, doing all of his mistakes when he plays  |
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| [HalcyoN] United States. May 28 2010 05:16. Posts 163 | Profile # |
you sir, are awesome. keep it up!
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| zacd United States. May 28 2010 05:24. Posts 30 | Profile # |
| I'm not worried about Day "selling out" or changing the dailies if he gets sponsored (paid reviews are a bad idea though). If he gets sponsored I bet he'll plug them at the beginning and end of the show and change the replay overlay to an advert. That's it. The rest of the show will stay the same. I can deal with that if it helps Day out. Last edit: 2010-05-28 05:25:37 |
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