 Sabu113 United States. November 01 2009 10:34. Posts 68 | Profile |
Great write up !
Only point of contention is that FBH screwed up a push into Jaehoon's natural. That really screwed him as he didn't have much of an army to defend or counter into Jaehoon. |
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 ShaperofDreams Canada. November 01 2009 11:23. Posts 770 | Profile |
I wish I had the time to watch all those VODs (most of them again).
Whatever I'll find the time. I regret now ripping my PC out of the wall... |
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 d_so United States. November 01 2009 11:37. Posts 1112 | Profile Blog |
| i thought effort vs lux was great just in how effort split his mutas like he would zerglings, i think we're going to see more zergs emulate this guerilla style muta instead of bulking up for the game deciding muta matchup |
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 evanthebouncy! United States. November 01 2009 18:54. Posts 8360 | Profile Blog | |
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 ProoM Lithuania. November 01 2009 19:00. Posts 324 | Profile |
| Holy crap, I can't believe how many overlord did Stork killed when played against GoRush 0.o . Nice writeup btw. Last edit: 2009-11-01 19:00:31 |
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 Kaniol Poland. November 01 2009 22:04. Posts 431 | Profile |
| Good point with part about not sending JD to ace matches, but honestly - if team expects Ace match vs OZ they will have their ace training vZ. So why send other Zerg in place of Jaedong? Wouldn't it be better to send P or T then? Yes, maps favor Z this season, but also many of them favor T, so why not send Lomo or HiyA? |
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 GHOSTCLAW United States. November 02 2009 04:06. Posts 10241 | Profile Blog |
| great games to choose, especially the fbh jaehoon game. |
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 oN_Silva November 02 2009 05:08. Posts 16 | Profile |
dont agree, hyuk roxxxxx!!!!!!!!
i dont make any hype around hyuk, as it happens zvz is my fav mu and hyuk is gg
no boring shine sh1t, gg |
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 ]343[ United States. November 02 2009 08:16. Posts 772 | Profile |
hahaha I love this column
in other news hwaseung house not by atrioc = blasphemy |
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| Mobius Canada. November 02 2009 09:02. Posts 581 | Profile |
On October 31 2009 22:35 konadora wrote:Great read (before anyone says it, I just finished reading this when this was published  ) Could have talked more about sAviOr though, especially winning ZvZs o.o
ya for sure. |
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| Foucault Sweden. November 02 2009 10:24. Posts 1715 | Profile Blog |
I definately agree about recall being way too strong PvT right now. I thought the exact same things about the games you mentioned and because the maps are so big, terran has a hard time dealing with recall. Also recall is disproportionately easy to pull of considering the huge damage it many times does.
The solution you offer that is terran pushing into the protoss main is so-so imo, because it relies on many assumptions:
That terrans army actually is that concentrated and that he protoss won't be able to stop him with arbiters/stasis and a decent amout of units. Terran basically will need to roll protoss remaining troops hard which is not something you can expect to happen. Also protoss might build or already have many gateways in other places of the map and also have a couple of other bases up and running which makes him still have a decent economy, while terrans economy might be devastated after the recall (if he didn't send any units to take care of it).
Protoss can wear down a terran army quite well with the use of DT:s and running lines of zealots into his units and with comsats possibly being destroyed due to the protoss recall, detection might be a huge issue.
Also the fact that many of the new maps are big makes possibly protoss have bases in other places on the map that are quite far away from terrans main army that is engaging his main. So protoss can easily recover due to the large distances between bases. But this is of course if it's late game and not just mid game where protoss might not have that many bases.
I definately agree that countering the protoss is a possible solution but it's a very risky one and it's not safe at all. So basically there's not really a good way to react to recalls for Terrans atm without building huge defense in your base in the form of a million turrets and lay mines all over. Also the fact that terran units need to be microed and that small mistakes in unit composition and position can make protoss win against his concentrated force makes it also quite risky.
I think the bottomline is that the recall thing is so good because of the current big maps. It's too easy to pull off and like you said, totally turns the game around in situations where protoss shouldn't be able to come back that easily.
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 thopol United States. November 03 2009 07:43. Posts 1005 | Profile Blog |
So what's up with the new shirts?
EDIT: Were there just several of the new designs made to check em out? Looks good.Last edit: 2009-11-03 07:44:49 |
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| Lumi United States. November 03 2009 12:28. Posts 116 | Profile |
| PJ didn't get 4th, White-Ra did |
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| Neverborn United States. November 05 2009 07:34. Posts 208 | Profile Blog |
Plexa -
You mentioned Byzantium having terrible Z>P imbalance. It piqued my curiosity and I ran a little statistical analysis on the 25-14 figure since it's a relatively small sample size. Turns out that just based on the numbers alone it's quite unlikely (less than 3-4% chance) to have just been due to chance. So just on those numbers alone (and ignoring the details of who actually played those 39 games and what THEIR matchup statistics are) it probably ranges somewhere from slightly imbalanced to horribly imbalanced. Anyway it got me thinking, it would be an awesome thing if someone more experienced than myself could add specific imbalances to the liquipedia pages of these maps. I mean sure, okay, Byzantium is imbalanced. What does that mean to a zerg or protoss player looking to maximize his advantages on that map? It would be awesome if I could look up a map and find a somewhat detailed analysis that allows me to understand how better players exploit the uniqueness of the map. As it is now, most of the map pages look pretty barren aside from a picture and some very vague information. |
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 omninmo November 06 2009 11:51. Posts 1621 | Profile Blog |
why is it a surprise when PJ wins? he has been a WCG finalist before and irrc used to live/train/play in korea as well.
that guy is just as good as leta or any other B+ class progammer.
The top tier chinese don't have a proscene on TV etc..but they have been train just as long and hard as the koreans. |
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