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konadora  Singapore. November 02 2009 18:30. Posts 44664 | Profile Blog # | |
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| RamenStyle United States. November 02 2009 20:47. Posts 1929 | Profile # |
| I agree with everyones rank except for Fantasy being above EffOrt. |
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| Musoeun United States. November 02 2009 21:59. Posts 4324 | Profile Blog # |
On November 02 2009 13:40 Plexa wrote:Well, I think this is fairly appropriate given the current discussion! This is taken from when etter announced PR as a new feature on TL.
Show nested quote +On November 22 2006 01:18 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Hello.
As you may have noticed (but probably not), the gracious people at Team Liquid have made me a part of their extended family. If it helps, think of me as the drunken uncle that everyone hates but that they have no choice but to invite to family reunions.
Regardless of my status amongst my now-peers, I have been put in charge of the new Power Ranking feature, visible, if you have not yet noticed, in the upper-right portion of the website. Click on the link to see the detailed list.
Every month, I will create a list—<i>my</i> list—of the top ten Brood War players in the world. No foreigner, just in case you felt the urge to ask, will ever grace that list. No, not even if he managed to beat Midas in a Bo1 during WCG.
To clarify: this is not a rehash of the KeSPA rankings. This is not a lifetime achievement award. This list consists entirely of my picks of who is hot <i>right now</i>. Any player who loses a big game to an amateur opponent or attempts some particularly retarded cheese can look forward to dropping off the list as quickly as he arrived. I consider much more than statistics when formulating this list, and although the placement might seem, on <i>occasion</i>, biased or even completely random, I assure you that I have my own, incredibly valid reasons for the decisions I make. You are, of course, welcome to try and change my mind, but before you try and do that, let me provide you with a crucial piece of information: I am smarter than you—much.
In subsequent months, I will post a <i>brief</i> essay announcing the presence of the new list and defending some of my potentially controversial choices, but as this post is already much longer than I would like, I will spare all of you any further reading.
So enjoy the list, and feel free to place your inane comments in the provided, well, <i>comments area</i>. I assure you that I will consider each one briefly before dismissing it on any number of <i>purely objective</i> grounds.
Added:
I can't believe I forgot to mention this before, but please be sure to thank Saro for adding this new feature. Without him, the website would be, from a technical standpoint, stagnant. His work makes possible all of these fun little things we have, and he, I believe, goes underappreciated far too often.
While we're quoting the originator of the power rank, I think I would be remiss in not mentioning this as my primary justification for feeling completely free to argue with any PR as much as I want. :D |
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| ppgButtercup United States. November 03 2009 00:08. Posts 152 | Profile # |
The reality of it is that not enough has really happened to prove that the top-9 ranks should shift much beyond what they are now. The only real point of contention could be for 10th place. I'd like to see Zero there, but then you have a significantly zerg-heavy poll.
Also, and this is the main reason, the Power Rank is meant for entertainment -- that is its primary purpose. Tell me, are you not entertained? Controversy in matters like this make for the very best entertainment. And you cannot really prove the author "wrong", so as long as there are decent reasons for every choice and the outcome means more entertainment for all of us readers, I'd say this is the best Power Rank we've had in the last four or five months. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. November 03 2009 01:14. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
Right but if we rationalize the error as a means to cause controversy, then it's now completely justified and not worth arguing like petulant children about, thus taking all of the fun out of it.
And that would be horrible. =( |
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| ppgButtercup United States. November 03 2009 01:52. Posts 152 | Profile # |
This is true :-)
Argue away!
Also, why isn't Hwasin in the mentionables? I found all his games so far this season to be pretty damn good. I wouldn't put him in the top-10, but I'd at least mention him. |
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| Matoo- France. November 03 2009 03:28. Posts 1344 | Profile Blog # |
HYUK HYUK HYUK
I'm so fucking happy. |
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| Iplaythings Denmark. November 03 2009 04:52. Posts 7085 | Profile Blog # |
On November 02 2009 23:57 endy wrote:I think Pusan deserved to be in the PR more than Shine  he was so amazing recently, he even defeated Best who is the best PvP player except Stork and Bisu. I also feel that Calm is a lot more consistent that JD these days. Otherwise, I totally agree 
Agreed, other then Best's pvp isn't godmode anymore. (I'd rate Backho, Kal, Stats, Violet and Pusan over him ATLEAST) |
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| darkness Bulgaria. November 03 2009 05:28. Posts 2670 | Profile Blog # |
| Go Stork! I have a feeling Bisu will do worse though. |
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| Mindcrime United States. November 03 2009 07:01. Posts 5943 | Profile # |
On November 02 2009 11:07 Endurethetoothache wrote:
I don't know if the power rankings are like the Kespa ratings but I really don't think past performance should go into how the players are doing right now. I want to know who is doing the best in THIS month, not who is the best of all time at the moment. (Maybe that's where I am wrong though).
I don't know if the power rankings are like the NFL standings, but I really don't think past performance should go into how the teams are doing right now. I want to know who is doing the best in THIS week, not who is the best of all time at the moment. (Maybe that's where I am wrong though).
week 6, 2008: Browns thumped the Giants so they obviously had one of the best weeks in the NFL and should have been top 5 in ESPN's power rankings... right?
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This is a monthly ranking, but not a ranking of months.Last edit: 2009-11-03 10:08:09 |
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| Ota Solgryn Denmark. November 03 2009 07:09. Posts 1269 | Profile Blog # |
On November 02 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 01:21 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Yeah. About JD, I dont think I would have put him that high. On the other hand he has never played his best at the start of seasons. Guess this month really shows how good you are riptide. If Jd wins much your a genious, if not, your a fool. High risk, high gain.
Uh the PR isn't a prediction it's an assessment of the current situation. There is no risk or gain because he is just a guy making a ranking of who HE THINKS are the top 10 players on the scene.
Yes, and he THINKS that JD is number two right now, but if JD goes and throws every game away JD sure cannot have been number two in the world. So if JD wins everthing he was right about JD still being number 2 despite some lackluster performances in Oktober. |
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| skronch United States. November 03 2009 07:23. Posts 2717 | Profile Blog # |
| wow, thanks for an on-time power ranking! surprised to see jaedong up so high, but i don't mind :D |
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| dannyd102 Australia. November 03 2009 09:08. Posts 24 | Profile # |
After reading the PR and all the posts, I can say for sure that this is one of the most disputed PRs since now. And probably there is something wrong with this PR if so many people can't agree with it.
First of all, I think that the PR was meant to be a list of the best performing players over the last month, not over the last 2 or 3 months and not in the next 2 or 3 months. So, if I am right, it means that JD being placed at second place is completely wrong (I will not argue with the other positions, since this one is the most out of place according to the below criteria).
Regardless of which approach you will chose: results , number of matches, game consistency, quality of the played games, you can't get JD on 2nd place for the month of October.
Maybe he will be on 2nd place or even on the 1st place in November, but October was a bad month for JD when you compare his achievements to other players that are ranked bellow him.
I can accept that this was a mistake that the author made for and unknown reason, but with PRs like this particular one, the value and relevance of the PR will decrease.
There was a time when we used to report the value and "power" of a player to the PR instead of the KESPA ranking, I think that this will not be valid anymore with PRs like this.
So, please take in consideration the facts when writing the future PRs and not some speculations or the glorious past of some of the players.
Anyway, I would like to thank you for the effort of maintaining the PR (even if sometimes creates such a big debate).
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| Avidkeystamper United States. November 03 2009 09:12. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
| I find it curious that no one disputes Fantasy over Effort. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. November 03 2009 09:26. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| I'm not sure how everytime there's a even slightly disagreeable rank, everyone starts yelling "It's supposed to be entirely dedicated to one month! Nothing in the past or proper prediction should matter!" When that's not true, and no PR has ever, ever done that. There is leeway and interpretation, and the only real recourse you can have is with the author's criteria not being clear. So far I haven't had a huge issue with Riptide's criteria being self-contradictory, even if I do disagree with JD at #2. |
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| OpticalShot Canada. November 03 2009 10:11. Posts 5929 | Profile Blog # |
| I'd personally switch Calm and JD for Oct. PR because Calm won a whole lot of games for his team while JD dropped a few key ones. >_< HOW CAN YOU LOSE ZVZ TO 815 (idc if it's a BO loss or whatever, a loss is a loss) |
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| okum Austria. November 03 2009 10:22. Posts 5700 | Profile Blog # |
I don't think the criteria need or should be consistent between months. Schedules and workloads are different every month. History is sometimes relevant, sometimes not. There are more qualities to players' performances than "good" or "bad".
Writing the Power Rank is as much about choosing which factors to weigh as it is about actually weighing them. It's about deciding what's important this month, taking into account not only results but also current trends and hot issues, which can be very different from month to month. The Power Rank would be much less interesting if it followed a fixed formula.
It's supposed to be a bit enigmatic, and it's more important that it provides insight and generates discussion (possibly by being provocative) than that it represents the absolute truth (for which one can always look to statistics). |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. November 03 2009 11:00. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On November 03 2009 10:11 OpticalShot wrote:
I'd personally switch Calm and JD for Oct. PR because Calm won a whole lot of games for his team while JD dropped a few key ones. >_< HOW CAN YOU LOSE ZVZ TO 815 (idc if it's a BO loss or whatever, a loss is a loss)
You know, I don't get this. 815 has ALWAYS been really good at ZvZ. He was 1-1 with Jaedong going into that match and has over a 60% ZvZ record. I know Jaedong is really good, but I'd postulate that 815's ZvZ is as good, or atleast more consistent than Hyuk's and Zero's. |
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| 7mk Germany. November 03 2009 11:25. Posts 9445 | Profile Blog # |
| Really good Power Rank, I absolutely agree with it |
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