 thopol United States. November 04 2009 07:54. Posts 1005 | Profile Blog |
This is going to be nothing but awesome.
EDIT: My dick is hard.Last edit: 2009-11-04 10:17:06 |
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 oN_Silva November 04 2009 07:54. Posts 16 | Profile |
| interesting thing, dont leave all the stuff up to the koreans !! |
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 numLoCK Canada. November 04 2009 08:35. Posts 287 | Profile Blog |
This is a great topic and I love all of you. Really been having trouble working on my PvZ lately, I'll definitely be checking this out.
And I gotta say I love Day[9] for hooking up the community with so much of his high level analysis lately, he's really helping out ^.^ |
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 TheAntZ Bangladesh. November 04 2009 10:17. Posts 613 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 08:35 numLoCK wrote:
This is a great topic and I love all of you. Really been having trouble working on my PvZ lately, I'll definitely be checking this out.
And I gotta say I love Day[9] for hooking up the community with so much of his high level analysis lately, he's really helping out ^.^
Yeah, this might be just fanboyism, but I have a feeling that if Day[9] coached a foreigner team and if that team practiced 8+ hours a day, they'd roll the hell out of all the proteams |
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| Armathai Germany. November 04 2009 10:29. Posts 42 | Profile |
Kewl, not my matchup, but I can't miss hearing some input from some great analyzers on it!
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| NiteKat United States. November 04 2009 10:44. Posts 22 | Profile |
A foreign team coached by Day[9] would be awesome.  |
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| Monzterg Sweden. November 04 2009 11:07. Posts 35 | Profile |
"Paradigmatic display of Protoss not doing many mistakes, but succumbing to the Templar sniping."
What is this? Bisu didnt make any obvious errors but he was outmanouverd strategically by Shine. He had his strategy completly fail and ended up in a situation where Shine could take advantage on him, and did.
Not good play at all from Bisu and very good play by Shine I must say.
And this game for sure went to the player making the best desicions and not the player using the better race. |
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| Nick_54 United States. November 04 2009 11:32. Posts 978 | Profile Blog |
On November 03 2009 19:01 Aesop wrote:
We might be switching the example games according to your suggestions. Stay tuned.
Maybe do the Movie build between Jaedong and Movie on hb ridge. Movie basically skips corsairs to get goon pressure then transitions up to speed zeals tempars and archons. Jaedongs 5 hatch spire build is destroyed. |
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 7mk Germany. November 04 2009 11:48. Posts 1572 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 10:00 Artosis wrote:
amazing set of experts.
it truely is...
I'm looking forward to hearing from nony after he's been absent for so long
edit: damnit I got too excited and somehow overlooked the bottom of the OP
nony oystein showmatch with fpview??!!
Fuck I love you so much TL :'-)Last edit: 2009-11-04 11:51:10 |
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 Spec Taiwan. November 04 2009 11:55. Posts 32 | Profile |
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| imbecile November 04 2009 18:56. Posts 3 | Profile |
Could it be possible to pull off a Scout/Reaver or scout/DT into carrier build in pro level game? The biggest thing scout has going against it is the long build times (and that's the main reason no one uses it), so it takes a while and you would require at least 2-3 stargates. But you will need those anyway if you go air.
And scouts have some things going for them: cannot be killed by two scourge, and kllls scourge faster (2 scouts one shot it), so they are much more durable. Also kills overlord faster and allows you to kill drones (3 for two shot 5 for one shot).
Not as effective against mass muta as corsair though, and also vulnerable against mass hydra.
So maybe it just shows that I haven't really played SC in ages. |
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 samachking Bahrain. November 04 2009 20:15. Posts 2488 | Profile Blog |
| Hyuk vs Pure G1+G3 were sick PvZs from Protoss side with smart play by hiding templars, although Hyuk is like lux, makes alot of hydra and eats many storms |
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| 7mk Germany. November 04 2009 21:29. Posts 1572 | Profile Blog |
After having watched Backho Vs Calm I have to agree that this was not an optimal pick.
While such a crazy strat might be a useful weapon to have in your repertoir, this is not going to change PvZ.
Better examples might have been Bisu vs Jaedong in the All-Star game,
or some game with good successful dark archon usage.
On November 04 2009 11:32 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 19:01 Aesop wrote:
We might be switching the example games according to your suggestions. Stay tuned.
Maybe do the Movie build between Jaedong and Movie on hb ridge. Movie basically skips corsairs to get goon pressure then transitions up to speed zeals tempars and archons. Jaedongs 5 hatch spire build is destroyed.
While I'm having problems against this build myself, I'm fairly confident that it will work only very rarely against pro zergs. Had Jaedong not gotten greedy and skipped zergling speed this game would have looked very differently.
Movie is certainly a name to consider in general though.Last edit: 2009-11-04 21:33:52 |
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 chichom27 Ecuador. November 05 2009 01:49. Posts 1 | Profile |
From the games I've seen, losing 4 templars in the middle of the map that are near full energy and have not used storm to the Zerg mutas usually is what puts a grave on the protoss in that match up. How detrimental would it be to delay the protoss push and replace 2 high templars with 1 dark archon with maelstorm? And have it act as a body guard for the High Templars.
I have heard a counter argument against this that it is really hard to get extra usage out of adding one more unit to all the things players already have to do. Very similar to how zerg dont add the queen/snare because while it is useful, adding one more unit you micro manage is just too much mechanically. That said, I feel that that dark archon, restricted for that single purpose of high templar defense for that mid-game vulnerability would be not too much addition mechanically. I do imagine it would put a greater strain on the 2 base protoss econ.
Game reference would be Free vs yCh[z-zone] in Acro, though the dark archon didnt really see good play.Last edit: 2009-11-05 01:51:47 |
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| Gnaix United States. November 05 2009 03:02. Posts 86 | Profile | |
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| Japakazol United States. November 05 2009 06:02. Posts 68 | Profile |
Dear Day[9],
Can you guzzle some more bear semen in between the strategic discussion and the showmatch? Wants moar day[9] showmatch commentary.
Love,
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 foeffa Belgium. November 05 2009 06:13. Posts 1640 | Profile |
| Can't believe I missed this thread, very much looking forward to it. |
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| Starparty Sweden. November 05 2009 06:34. Posts 1383 | Profile |
On November 03 2009 18:36 samachking wrote:
FakeSteve Edit: DustBowl's dick is hard
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| No_eL Chile. November 05 2009 06:58. Posts 695 | Profile |
im really hyped about this. Its very exciting for a protoss player this kind of deep analysis and awesome display of teaching work for the community.
Thanks tl.net for this...
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