 Kaileycost Canada. November 06 2009 14:01. Posts 3 | Profile |
Z players how would you counter an sk terran that adds 1-2 tanks into his build,
I commonly lose to this build and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong considering Itry
to counter with lurks hydras swarm but end up getting slaughtered by the vessels rines and siege back up I only won once with a successful backstab but that's about it.
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 selboN United States. November 06 2009 14:05. Posts 1188 | Profile Blog |
| ..2 tanks? Having only two takes essentially makes it SK terran. It isn't the build you're losing to, it's your macro most likely. |
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 OreoBoi Canada. November 06 2009 14:05. Posts 558 | Profile Blog |
SK Terran involves a having a few tanks generally.
It sounds like you need to learn how to flank properly, surround his army instead of just attacking head on.
What build are you using?
Post some replays. |
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| n.DieJokes United States. November 06 2009 14:07. Posts 741 | Profile Blog |
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| Kaileycost Canada. November 06 2009 14:10. Posts 3 | Profile |
I'm unable to post a replay as of right now, sorry I was going off the liquipedia
that said 0 tanks or 1 and more vessels. I looked at the counter and it said hydra + lurk so I was basically going off that with swarm but I'd end up getting slaughtered by irradiate and rine micro >> should I be using lings and ultras for that ? |
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| OreoBoi Canada. November 06 2009 14:13. Posts 558 | Profile Blog |
On November 06 2009 14:10 Kaileycost wrote:
I'm unable to post a replay as of right now, sorry I was going off the liquipedia
that said 0 tanks or 1 and more vessels. I looked at the counter and it said hydra + lurk so I was basically going off that with swarm but I'd end up getting slaughtered by irradiate and rine micro >> should I be using lings and ultras for that ?
Ultraling is only viable if you have 4 gas.
Hydralurk is ok, but I have more success with lurkerling + swarm + scourge.
I think pure SK Terran is no tanks all vessles, but most Terran's nowadays get at least 2 tanks.
Best way to counter this is to swarm to kill tanks and scourge any vessels that you can. |
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 TwoToneTerran United States. November 06 2009 14:13. Posts 1669 | Profile |
| Ultras are the best counter to a low tank build in the lategame. 5 armor speed ultras will cut through MnM armies, and more often than not turns irradiates against the T. The Hydralurk is for dealing with the midgame as you transition into lategame. |
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 MuffinDude United States. November 06 2009 14:16. Posts 1695 | Profile |
| 2 tanks is nothing man. You're macro must be lacking or your large army micro. |
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 StylishVODs Sweden. November 06 2009 14:52. Posts 3505 | Profile |
Actually I don't think Ultralisks are the answer to SK terran.
SK terran means alot of vessels and mines, which are great vs ultralisks.
If he does pure SK terran, Hydralurk is the hardest to face imo.
Otherwise, 2 tanks SK terran is pretty much standard terran with 2-3 less tanks.
So what you could do is just play normal, tech to hive and start swarming and plagueing while having good scourgecontrol. When terran is making vessels out of 2 port, the most important thing you can do is to snipe those vessels with scourge. The way you do it is by attacking with lings/lurker/defiler and scourge at the same time, so the marines focus fire on the groundunits and scourge will reach their target. |
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 Iplaythings Denmark. November 06 2009 15:41. Posts 381 | Profile Blog |
On November 06 2009 14:52 StylishVODs wrote:
Actually I don't think Ultralisks are the answer to SK terran.
SK terran means alot of vessels and mines, which are great vs ultralisks.
If he does pure SK terran, Hydralurk is the hardest to face imo.
Otherwise, 2 tanks SK terran is pretty much standard terran with 2-3 less tanks.
So what you could do is just play normal, tech to hive and start swarming and plagueing while having good scourgecontrol. When terran is making vessels out of 2 port, the most important thing you can do is to snipe those vessels with scourge. The way you do it is by attacking with lings/lurker/defiler and scourge at the same time, so the marines focus fire on the groundunits and scourge will reach their target.
True, but Hydra lurk is countered if he switches to 2 factory tank support instead of SK terran... Idk :s |
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| nttea Sweden. November 06 2009 16:35. Posts 888 | Profile |
On November 06 2009 15:41 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 06 2009 14:52 StylishVODs wrote:
Actually I don't think Ultralisks are the answer to SK terran.
SK terran means alot of vessels and mines, which are great vs ultralisks.
If he does pure SK terran, Hydralurk is the hardest to face imo.
Otherwise, 2 tanks SK terran is pretty much standard terran with 2-3 less tanks.
So what you could do is just play normal, tech to hive and start swarming and plagueing while having good scourgecontrol. When terran is making vessels out of 2 port, the most important thing you can do is to snipe those vessels with scourge. The way you do it is by attacking with lings/lurker/defiler and scourge at the same time, so the marines focus fire on the groundunits and scourge will reach their target.
True, but Hydra lurk is countered if he switches to 2 factory tank support instead of SK terran... Idk :s
zerg can switch production easier than terran, so with good play you should get more out of switching than he does. |
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| FabledIntegral United States. November 06 2009 18:12. Posts 791 | Profile Blog |
On November 06 2009 16:35 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 06 2009 15:41 Iplaythings wrote:
On November 06 2009 14:52 StylishVODs wrote:
Actually I don't think Ultralisks are the answer to SK terran.
SK terran means alot of vessels and mines, which are great vs ultralisks.
If he does pure SK terran, Hydralurk is the hardest to face imo.
Otherwise, 2 tanks SK terran is pretty much standard terran with 2-3 less tanks.
So what you could do is just play normal, tech to hive and start swarming and plagueing while having good scourgecontrol. When terran is making vessels out of 2 port, the most important thing you can do is to snipe those vessels with scourge. The way you do it is by attacking with lings/lurker/defiler and scourge at the same time, so the marines focus fire on the groundunits and scourge will reach their target.
True, but Hydra lurk is countered if he switches to 2 factory tank support instead of SK terran... Idk :s
zerg can switch production easier than terran, so with good play you should get more out of switching than he does.
Assuming you have been upgrading melee weapons, correct? If you're going hydralurk I don't believe you upgrade ling attack. 0 attack lings, I think 1 marine with 1 medic beats like 3-4 cracklings. |
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 KwarK Great Britain. November 06 2009 21:32. Posts 8516 | Profile Blog |
| These days you upgrade everything if you think you might need it. It's not uncommon to see triple evo. |
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| kvilx Poland. November 06 2009 22:02. Posts 188 | Profile Blog | |
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| Soulforged Latvia. November 06 2009 22:30. Posts 84 | Profile Blog |
| Plague hydra/lurk or ling/ultra is the way to handle late game SK terran. Too bad many terrans after grabbing couple more bases transition, add 2 more facts and start massing tanks. |
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| Always United States. November 08 2009 04:12. Posts 135 | Profile Blog |
| Plaguing his vessels when they're bunched is a HUGE hit for terran, as one mutalisk can basically down a ton of them once their hp drops enough. If terran decides to repair his vessels, it's still an apm and time out of battle cost for them. good luck! |
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 Cloud Sexico. November 08 2009 06:18. Posts 4628 | Profile Blog |
Stop using hydralurk, it blows. It's too expensive, your hive is delayed too much and when you actually get hive, getting ultras is uncomfortable because you have the wrong upgrades.
Use lurkerling and learn how to use scourges to fight the vessels. With an earlier hive, plague will help with that as well. |
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 MrHickoryHam54 United States. November 10 2009 12:17. Posts 124 | Profile |
On November 06 2009 14:16 MuffinDude wrote:
2 tanks is nothing man. You're macro must be lacking or your large army micro.
YES! finally someone has got it right. 2 tanks?! anyone, even tosslove, can kill those in their sleep!
This is how u can figure out whether ur problem is macro, or Large Army micro
1. Macro - Do nothing but macro, then 1a2a3a4a when ur at max pop
2. Micro - Try and pull a Boxer (build 1 supply depot, and 1 rax, maybe 1 fact, and win the game rofl)
if it not either of these, come back and we will try again. |
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