 himurakenshin November 07 2009 08:45. Posts 1716 | Profile Blog |
| Why don't people use the term "International" instead of "Foreign" ? This seems to be the only sport scene which seem to use this term for communities outside of a certain country. I think International sounds much better. |
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 jello_biafra United Kingdom. November 07 2009 08:47. Posts 3426 | Profile Blog |
| Because international would include Koreans? |
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 niteReloaded November 07 2009 08:49. Posts 2617 | Profile Blog |
Coz the mainstream dictates the terms you're gonna use.
And since we are all foreigners to Koreans, somehow that term caught on and it seems nobody minds calling themselves 'foreign'.
I think it's kind of cool actually, it emphasizes our eternal and hopeless struggle against the mighty Korea.
Kinda like Zion in the Matrix. |
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 Fontong United States. November 07 2009 08:50. Posts 4805 | Profile Blog |
Foreign = Anyone who isn't Korean.
Internation would be, as jello_biafra said, anyone from any nation. |
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| niteReloaded November 07 2009 08:58. Posts 2617 | Profile Blog |
| And we wouldn't be hopeless also... if we were in a movie. Last edit: 2009-11-07 08:58:45 |
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 quiong United States. November 07 2009 09:02. Posts 203 | Profile |
| I think its a cultural thing. For example my chinese parents (who are american citizens now) still refer to americans as foreigners. Anyone who is not chinese is a foreigner to them; even an american in his home country is referred to as a foreigner. |
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 Artosis  United States. November 07 2009 09:16. Posts 1306 | Profile Blog |
in general, we referred to ourselves as both "non-korean" and "foreigner" before TSL. during TSL i had to call the group something and not switch back and forth a lot, so i chose foreigner. it really caught on after that since everyone watched it.
being a "foreigner" instills me with a great pride. theres no other community like this "foreigner" one. |
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 Nytefish United Kingdom. November 07 2009 09:35. Posts 1839 | Profile Blog |
| Is there a general consensus on whether chinese players are foreigners? What about taiwanese? White guy in Korea? Korean overseas students? |
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| lac29 United States. November 07 2009 09:40. Posts 221 | Profile Blog |
| I categorize foreigners as any non-Korean player who plays SC. So Idra would still be a foreigner. A pro from another country would also still be a foreigner. An amateur from Korea would not be a foreigner. |
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| Artosis United States. November 07 2009 09:53. Posts 1306 | Profile Blog |
| no, chinese are not foreigners. i've gone over this several times, there are 3 sc communities. Koreans, Chinese, Foreigners. |
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| dacthehork United States. November 07 2009 10:01. Posts 52 | Profile |
| What about Russians? they seem pretty out of the teamliquid.net loop (which is pretty much the foreign community). |
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| niteReloaded November 07 2009 10:05. Posts 2617 | Profile Blog |
I think the reason Artosis put Chinese guys into a separate group is because there's apparently progaming present in China also.
So, there's no reason to separate Russians. |
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 Tom Phoenix November 07 2009 10:47. Posts 648 | Profile |
On November 07 2009 09:35 Nytefish wrote:
Is there a general consensus on whether chinese players are foreigners? What about taiwanese? White guy in Korea? Korean overseas students?
Both the mainland Chinese and the Taiwan Chinese are foreigners as well as the white person in Korea (although I am not so sure if that applies if the white person is born and raised IN Korea). Korean, however, is a Korean regardless of where he actually lives.
EDIT: Artosis is mistaken, although I see why he would belive so.Last edit: 2009-11-07 10:50:50 |
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 IdrA Korea (South). November 07 2009 10:53. Posts 9505 | Profile Blog |
On November 07 2009 10:01 dacthehork wrote:
What about Russians? they seem pretty out of the teamliquid.net loop (which is pretty much the foreign community).
its not about interacting on forums, the russians participate in all of the foreigner leagues. same reason the chinese should be considered a seperate community, because they have all their own leagues and only rarely play in ours. |
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| NrG.NeverExpo Canada. November 07 2009 10:53. Posts 111 | Profile |
My opinion is until the chinese sc community has accomplished what the koreans have they should be considered foreign. Sure chinese have progaming, and its going great, but they havn't climbed nearly as high mountains as the koreans have. Hope the day will come~!
EDIT: Didn't read what idra wrote, i agree with the leagues. Although some smaller ones allow chinese. Also the gg.net rankings include chinese gamers with the rest of the "foreign masters". Its an interesting topic though!Last edit: 2009-11-07 10:54:48 |
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| IdrA Korea (South). November 07 2009 10:55. Posts 9505 | Profile Blog |
On November 07 2009 10:47 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 09:35 Nytefish wrote:
Is there a general consensus on whether chinese players are foreigners? What about taiwanese? White guy in Korea? Korean overseas students?
Both the mainland Chinese and the Taiwan Chinese are foreigners as well as the white person in Korea (although I am not so sure if that applies if the white person is born and raised IN Korea). Korean, however, is a Korean regardless of where he actually lives. EDIT: Artosis is mistaken, although I see why he would belive so.
what?
its not like we're working off of a dictionary definition. why should 2 groups that never interact in any way be considered part of the same community. |
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 zeppelin United States. November 07 2009 10:57. Posts 309 | Profile |
foreign is shorter and sounds cooler
international is reserved for lame things like the international food aisle in the supermarket |
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| Tom Phoenix November 07 2009 10:58. Posts 648 | Profile |
On November 07 2009 10:53 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 10:01 dacthehork wrote:
What about Russians? they seem pretty out of the teamliquid.net loop (which is pretty much the foreign community).
its not about interacting on forums, the russians participate in all of the foreigner leagues. same reason the chinese should be considered a seperate community, because they have all their own leagues and only rarely play in ours.
The problem with that logic is that Chinese players do not choose to participate only in their own events (like Koreans do), but are FORCED to. If you look at the majority of recent foreigner events, all forbid Chinese players from entering. Whenever that was not the case (such as the 1st season of the ASL and Liquibition), they did participate.
Besides, attempting to exclude the Chinese only skewers the original meaning of the definition. "Foreigners" means non-Korean and the Chinese are not Korean, therefore they are foreigners. Simple as that. |
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| IdrA Korea (South). November 07 2009 11:00. Posts 9505 | Profile Blog |
| it doesnt matter why theyre excluded. the fact is that they are. just look what happens when people try to talk about non korean skill levels. half the people massively overrate the chinese, and the other half massively underrate them. this is because they never interact with us so most people know absolutely nothing about them. its quite obvious they arent part of our community, for whatever the reason. |
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