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 yhnmk Canada. November 08 2009 07:25. Posts 92 | Profile |
Ok. I use to play zvp in a style similar to an n_dieSoo replay [where he goes lurker crackling and thats about it], but I don't really think thats effective on most maps, against most players. It just doesn't seem stable enough. As for 5 hatch hydra and those general variations, I don't think it really suits my style and im bad at it. I've been thinking that I should play more like Luxury, and Savior in terms of zvp- lurker, spore, sunken colony, mass up. But honestly, I have no replays of it, or general idea of the opening build. No reference material. So basically my question is, what is the appropriate build order when you intend to play this style, and any kind of related tips?
I know this is pretty general and theres no replay, but I need it pretty general and I haven't attempted it yet, having no clue on how to go about it. 
Any help/advice appreciated!  Last edit: 2009-11-08 07:30:48 |
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 Synth United Kingdom. November 08 2009 07:36. Posts 2 | Profile |
LurkerLing is very stable, for examples look at the pro scene, it's slowly creeped back into play and become most-used on HBR. There's a few good replays of it in the TL rep section too, suae[kal] reps especially.
For turtling with Lurkers and Spores honestly I can only remember Dimaga playing this sort of style.. find some replays of himLast edit: 2009-11-08 07:37:09 |
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 ExSoldier November 08 2009 07:44. Posts 335 | Profile |
| umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when? |
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| yhnmk Canada. November 08 2009 07:51. Posts 92 | Profile |
On November 08 2009 07:44 ExSoldier wrote:
umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when?
!?! Savior always played a very turtleish style...just look at last night for an extreme example of that, and Luxury plays a turtle zvp style when he isnt busy all-ing every protoss in sight.
Edit: Thanks synth, ill look up those replays.Last edit: 2009-11-08 07:51:58 |
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| haxorz United States. November 08 2009 08:05. Posts 49 | Profile |
On November 08 2009 07:44 ExSoldier wrote:
umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when?
Luxury was pretty turtlish in his MSL title win. |
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 sixghost United States. November 08 2009 08:28. Posts 1343 | Profile Blog |
On November 08 2009 08:05 haxorz wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 08 2009 07:44 ExSoldier wrote:
umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when?
Luxury was pretty turtlish in his MSL title win.
Luxury played virtually exclusively 5hatch hydra/muta openings at that time. You are thinking of before 5hatch hydra came around. |
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| Monkeyz_Rule United States. November 08 2009 08:44. Posts 105 | Profile |
On November 08 2009 08:28 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 08 2009 08:05 haxorz wrote:
On November 08 2009 07:44 ExSoldier wrote:
umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when?
Luxury was pretty turtlish in his MSL title win.
Luxury played virtually exclusively 5hatch hydra/muta openings at that time. You are thinking of before 5hatch hydra came around.
I recall Luxury turtling with lurker+sunken+muta in the MSL finals on harmony and carthage at the very least, and don't remember anything about the other 2 games. |
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 ProoM Lithuania. November 08 2009 08:48. Posts 317 | Profile |
p.s. ignore everything I said, I thought hes talking when should he use lurker/ling instead of hydra into stuff.
When I read theads like this it always seems to me like a trolling thread, but I guess you are really asking for a help. Well, you should play lurkerling whenever your oponent makes too many zealots and too few goons/high templars.However, It's not neccissary for P to make such mistake, but it's more advantageous. You should also take your army management skills into consideration, when u attack, you gotta flank at a nice angle with your lings, and burrow the lurks seperately. If it's too hard for you, dont do it in serious games (unless the purpose is to learn).Last edit: 2009-11-08 08:49:48 |
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| sixghost United States. November 08 2009 08:50. Posts 1343 | Profile Blog |
On November 08 2009 08:44 Monkeyz_Rule wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 08 2009 08:28 sixghost wrote:
On November 08 2009 08:05 haxorz wrote:
On November 08 2009 07:44 ExSoldier wrote:
umm luxury and savior play turtle zvp??? when?
Luxury was pretty turtlish in his MSL title win.
Luxury played virtually exclusively 5hatch hydra/muta openings at that time. You are thinking of before 5hatch hydra came around.
I recall Luxury turtling with lurker+sunken+muta in the MSL finals on harmony and carthage at the very least, and don't remember anything about the other 2 games.
Those were really the only games I remember him playing like that around that time. |
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| feuxfollets United States. November 08 2009 12:43. Posts 22 | Profile |
by.great turtled vs. Bisu on medusa using sunken/spore/lurker...
off a proxy hatchery, that is.
Actually worked quite well. |
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 evanthebouncy! United States. November 09 2009 13:43. Posts 8351 | Profile Blog |
| i think if you add swarm lurk/ling is quite good |
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| MrHickoryHam54 United States. November 10 2009 09:24. Posts 124 | Profile |
wait a sec, first of all, when we were all noobs at sc, didnt the more experienced players tell us to NEVER turtle?
this might be completely different from what u guys think, but personally, i believe that having great defense and playing defensively are 2 dif things.
u can have great defense, but be focused on offense. this is what ppl like bisu and JD have (no surprise there)
playing defensively leads to bad, bad things. luxury did it, and then he sucked like hell. he didnt stop this slump until the start of the 09-10 season. n.Die_Soo did it, but SOO IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. savior did it, but savior is savior, and when u get that good, u can do whatever u want to whoever u want, and still win.
so in the end, i urge u to have great defense, but not play defensively, and DEFINITELY NOT TURTLE.
hope this helps |
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| kineSiS- Korea (South). November 10 2009 12:50. Posts 43 | Profile |
| Offense is the best defense. |
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| wok United States. November 10 2009 13:05. Posts 382 | Profile Blog |
On November 10 2009 12:50 kineSiS- wrote:
Offense is the best defense.
Or in pvp island maps with very small amounts of min left, defense is the best offense. |
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| sob3k United States. November 10 2009 18:28. Posts 38 | Profile |
Or in pvp island maps with very small amounts of min left, defense is the best offense
my god.......he's right!
This is the next metagame shift! |
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