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| RebirthOfLeGenD USA. January 10 2010 10:25. Posts 5342 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 02:24 L wrote: HEY LOOK YOU FIGURED IT OUT.
Show nested quote +So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time.
Nah, the plan was pretty good if you funneled the DT confirmation through someone that was more certain to be green (me for instance, or through zato after his vigi hit goes off, for instance) it essentially pays huge dividends; the only way mafia can fake into it is by risking 2 members. If he's GF, the trade is DT for GF, which is a net plus for mafia because the other two members get off the "dt clock", so to speak, but he never even gets that option if the information is funneled elsewhere: ie through me. Pretty much everything objectively pointed to him not being a medic when he claimed day 1, which is why you should have interpreted the event as someone fake claiming medic for another purpose. Either way, today we lynch mikey unless someone comes up with something better.
You forgot the second part of my post. If you can kill the DT and trade for GF you become in good shape T_T
I still don't think this plan clears Judge. |
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| Scamp United States. January 10 2010 13:28. Posts 964 | Profile # |
Something is wrong here. I just can't put my finger on it, though.
L is okay with Chezinu's thoughts, and is relying on someone else to come up with something better.
Zato was pretty proactive day 1 then disappeared.
Ace isn't mad at anyone day 2, apparently.
And RoL is the most active.
Something is most definitely wrong.
Well anyway even if Mikey and Chez are both townies and we kill them both and the mafia gets one more kill, we'll have 7 people left with 3 mafia. MYLO at the worst.
But still, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something missing. |
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| L Canada. January 10 2010 14:15. Posts 4546 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 10:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 02:24 L wrote:
you get confirmed by death
HEY LOOK YOU FIGURED IT OUT.
So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time.
Nah, the plan was pretty good if you funneled the DT confirmation through someone that was more certain to be green (me for instance, or through zato after his vigi hit goes off, for instance) it essentially pays huge dividends; the only way mafia can fake into it is by risking 2 members. If he's GF, the trade is DT for GF, which is a net plus for mafia because the other two members get off the "dt clock", so to speak, but he never even gets that option if the information is funneled elsewhere: ie through me. Pretty much everything objectively pointed to him not being a medic when he claimed day 1, which is why you should have interpreted the event as someone fake claiming medic for another purpose. Either way, today we lynch mikey unless someone comes up with something better.
You forgot the second part of my post. If you can kill the DT and trade for GF you become in good shape T_T I still don't think this plan clears Judge.
The GF only trades for the DT if the information isn't funneled through a green third party. Otherwise, if judge was the GF, put himself up for lynch and dies while funneling his information through another party, he would die and obtain no information besides knowing who the DT's mouth would be.
Trading the GF for the DT is a fantastic setup. |
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| L Canada. January 10 2010 14:16. Posts 4546 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 13:28 Scamp wrote:
Something is wrong here. I just can't put my finger on it, though.
L is okay with Chezinu's thoughts, and is relying on someone else to come up with something better.
Zato was pretty proactive day 1 then disappeared.
Ace isn't mad at anyone day 2, apparently.
And RoL is the most active.
Something is most definitely wrong.
Well anyway even if Mikey and Chez are both townies and we kill them both and the mafia gets one more kill, we'll have 7 people left with 3 mafia. MYLO at the worst.
But still, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something missing.
I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez.
Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez. |
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 mikeymoo Canada. January 10 2010 14:58. Posts 7064 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 13:28 Scamp wrote:
Something is wrong here. I just can't put my finger on it, though.
L is okay with Chezinu's thoughts, and is relying on someone else to come up with something better.
Zato was pretty proactive day 1 then disappeared.
Ace isn't mad at anyone day 2, apparently.
And RoL is the most active.
Something is most definitely wrong.
Well anyway even if Mikey and Chez are both townies and we kill them both and the mafia gets one more kill, we'll have 7 people left with 3 mafia. MYLO at the worst.
But still, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something missing.
I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez. Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez.
This last sentence. This is why you always kill the roleclaimer. |
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| Incognito United States. January 10 2010 15:08. Posts 2058 | Profile # |
Night 2:
Kicking and screaming about the injustice of his death, mikeymoo was slowly lowered into the mouth of a cannon. The executioner gave the signal, and ignited the cannon. The town cheered as mikeymoo flew through the air and was impaled as he landed on the horns of a large 800 pound cow. moo.
All roles send in your actions for the night. You have until 9:00 PM tomorrow.
Night post may be irregular again. Hopefully not too late though. |
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| Chezinu United States. January 10 2010 15:12. Posts 2894 | Profile Blog # |
| ? lol, he was mafia...wow! |
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| Vivi57 United States. January 10 2010 15:12. Posts 6440 | Profile Blog # |
woo, chez is 99.9% legit now
based on his voting pattern and his lack of yelling at people in the thread, I suggest the vig hits ace tonight to hit the gf.
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| nemY United States. January 10 2010 15:20. Posts 3117 | Profile Blog # |
| Sweet, one down two to go. |
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| L Canada. January 10 2010 15:25. Posts 4546 | Profile Blog # |
woo, chez is 99.9% legit now
Not really. Could have been a sacrifice to gain trust.
But hey mikey. That's why we kill the roleclaimer, right? |
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| nemY United States. January 10 2010 15:26. Posts 3117 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 13:28 Scamp wrote:
Something is wrong here. I just can't put my finger on it, though.
L is okay with Chezinu's thoughts, and is relying on someone else to come up with something better.
Zato was pretty proactive day 1 then disappeared.
Ace isn't mad at anyone day 2, apparently.
And RoL is the most active.
Something is most definitely wrong.
Well anyway even if Mikey and Chez are both townies and we kill them both and the mafia gets one more kill, we'll have 7 people left with 3 mafia. MYLO at the worst.
But still, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something missing.
I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez. Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez.
I agree with this. TBH I don't really understand the killing of HeavenOnEarth... he didn't carry that much power within the town; I would have expected someone like L, Ace or Vivi to get the first hit.
I don't know about Chez. While I doubt he's mafia, I also seriously doubt he's DT, so nobody should RC to him. |
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| L Canada. January 10 2010 15:32. Posts 4546 | Profile Blog # |
Hey bros, Some people didn't vote to kill mikey. They are suspicious.
Sup Ace :3 |
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| mikeymoo Canada. January 10 2010 15:38. Posts 7064 | Profile Blog # | |
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| RebirthOfLeGenD USA. January 10 2010 15:49. Posts 5342 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 13:28 Scamp wrote:
Something is wrong here. I just can't put my finger on it, though.
L is okay with Chezinu's thoughts, and is relying on someone else to come up with something better.
Zato was pretty proactive day 1 then disappeared.
Ace isn't mad at anyone day 2, apparently.
And RoL is the most active.
Something is most definitely wrong.
Well anyway even if Mikey and Chez are both townies and we kill them both and the mafia gets one more kill, we'll have 7 people left with 3 mafia. MYLO at the worst.
But still, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something missing.
I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez. Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez.
I think another DT would role claim within the next night phase if Chezinu isn't really a DT. That is why its a gambit, they can lose 2/3 mafia if there is a DT and they bull that shit. That is why I am not too worried about it in this game as I would be in other mafia games with more mafia members. |
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| Malongo Chile. January 10 2010 15:58. Posts 2787 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 15:38 mikeymoo wrote:
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| Vivi57 United States. January 10 2010 15:59. Posts 6440 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 15:25 L wrote: Not really. Could have been a sacrifice to gain trust. But hey mikey. That's why we kill the roleclaimer, right?
Really now L. The mafia would have to be really stupid to risk this and lose one of their own just to chez get the trust of the town. The only time mafia EVER have caused the death of one of their own was pyrr fucking up a couple games ago.
so yeah, don't claim to chez, but I'm pretty sure he's town |
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| vx70GTOJudgexv United States. January 10 2010 16:01. Posts 3131 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 15:26 nemY wrote:
I agree with this. TBH I don't really understand the killing of HeavenOnEarth... he didn't carry that much power within the town; I would have expected someone like L, Ace or Vivi to get the first hit.
It's called a frame. Myself and L were prime lynch possibilities walking into today - myself because I was claiming, L because he kept advocating my plan which I kept under wraps. HeavOnEarth was a nightkill who didn't draw attention to anyone, something a smart-scum in mine or L's positions would have been happy with. It was meant to look like L or myself would've made the NK.
BTW, does everyone fucking understand why I kept saying "I can't tell you everything." now? Ace is excluded, although I must've hit a nerve or something with my post.
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| vx70GTOJudgexv United States. January 10 2010 16:02. Posts 3131 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 15:59 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 15:25 L wrote:
woo, chez is 99.9% legit now
Not really. Could have been a sacrifice to gain trust. But hey mikey. That's why we kill the roleclaimer, right?
Really now L. The mafia would have to be really stupid to risk this and lose one of their own just to chez get the trust of the town. The only time mafia EVER have caused the death of one of their own was pyrr fucking up a couple games ago. so yeah, don't claim to chez, but I'm pretty sure he's town
KP isn't affected this game. So losing one, especially with a GF still remaining, is no big loss. |
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| Vivi57 United States. January 10 2010 16:17. Posts 6440 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 16:02 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 15:59 Vivi57 wrote:
On January 10 2010 15:25 L wrote:
woo, chez is 99.9% legit now
Not really. Could have been a sacrifice to gain trust. But hey mikey. That's why we kill the roleclaimer, right?
Really now L. The mafia would have to be really stupid to risk this and lose one of their own just to chez get the trust of the town. The only time mafia EVER have caused the death of one of their own was pyrr fucking up a couple games ago. so yeah, don't claim to chez, but I'm pretty sure he's town
KP isn't affected this game. So losing one, especially with a GF still remaining, is no big loss.
but giving the town a 1 day advantage in a ~5 day game is a big loss |
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| vx70GTOJudgexv United States. January 10 2010 16:36. Posts 3131 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2010 16:17 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 16:02 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On January 10 2010 15:59 Vivi57 wrote:
On January 10 2010 15:25 L wrote:
woo, chez is 99.9% legit now
Not really. Could have been a sacrifice to gain trust. But hey mikey. That's why we kill the roleclaimer, right?
Really now L. The mafia would have to be really stupid to risk this and lose one of their own just to chez get the trust of the town. The only time mafia EVER have caused the death of one of their own was pyrr fucking up a couple games ago. so yeah, don't claim to chez, but I'm pretty sure he's town
KP isn't affected this game. So losing one, especially with a GF still remaining, is no big loss.
but giving the town a 1 day advantage in a ~5 day game is a big loss
Let's assume that we mislynch every day, and mafia kills every night. No vigi for the sake of easyness.
D1: 12 (3), N1: 11 (3)
D2: 10 (3), N2: 9 (3)
D3: 8 (3), N3: 7(3)
D4 6(3) [LYLO]
Now lets assume they give us a freebie on D2 (basically, let's assume Chez is scum). No vigi again.
D1: 12(3), N1: 11(3)
D2: 10 (3), N2: 9(2)
Now. At this point, Chez is believed to be town. People WILL claim to him. He can claim to investigate someone, clear them and then kill them later on. He just avoids his mafia buddy and keeps him under the radar.
D3: 8(2), N3: 7(2)
D4: 6(2), N4: 5(2)
D5: 4(2) [LYLO]
Hell, on D5 he can claim to have a guilty and lead a mislynch and gg.
It really doesn't set Mafia back to do this. The other benefit is, if we kill Chez tomorrow - who the fuck can we link him to? He's been as arbitrary as possible this entire game, votehopping on D1, PMing everyone and quoting them. Who is safe? |
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