Obama's Speech on Afghanistan - Page 2

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On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:


Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being?

I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous.

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On December 02 2009 11:40 ghermination wrote:


Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time.

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On December 02 2009 11:51 Bill Murray wrote:
vietnam wasnt a war (technically), and iraq is?
we didn't ever declare war on vietnam.
also, we are at war with north korea right now. to me vietnam was much more of a war than afghanistan, or iraq, but there are always technicalities. i would refer to these things as conflicts...

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On December 02 2009 11:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

You know, having money in the bank is often more useful than spending it on things, especially when it comes to women. The liquidity and safety that money offer far outweigh the individual material goods you can buy.

You know how easy it is to get a blowjob with $300 million in the bank?

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On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote:
Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit?
Fuck them all.

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On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.

Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do.

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On December 02 2009 11:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:


the problem isn't politicians specifically.
Contrary to popular optimistic beliefs, people are inherently selfish and bad. They try to be good based on values they learn from their culture and society. But be honest with yourself, you know you and most people would definitely favor helping a friend out as opposed to 2 strangers.

The problem lies in the system. Which was fucking fixed and made to handle this terrible human nature when the constitution was written. But ever since the later 1800s and early 1900s the checks and balances have been compromised by shit like the federal reserve/world bank and wall street. So instead of politicians doing the job they should be doing, they have investments and friends in these other economy businesses that directly effect each other.

So corruption is fucking rampant and it's not really any one person's fault imho. It's just the nature of people. They are looking out for themselves and their family. No one gives a shit about the guy down the street.

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On December 02 2009 12:02 ghermination wrote:


This justifies killing millions and starting wars that destabilize entire global regions, amirite?

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On December 02 2009 12:11 Triple7 wrote:

I call trolling. John Adams, the 2nd President, to name one. Specifically in 1798.

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In 1835, Jackson managed to reduce the federal debt to only $33,733.05, the lowest it had been since the first fiscal year of 1791.[21] President Jackson is the only president in United States history to have paid off the national debt. However, this accomplishment was short lived. A severe depression from 1837 to 1844 caused a tenfold increase in national debt within its first year.[22]


Opposition to the National Bank
Main article: Bank War
Democratic cartoon shows Jackson fighting the monster Bank. "The Bank," Jackson told Martin Van Buren, "is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!"

The Second Bank of the United States was authorized for a twenty year period during James Madison's tenure in 1816. As President, Jackson worked to rescind the bank's federal charter. In Jackson's veto message (written by George Bancroft), the bank needed to be abolished because:

* It concentrated the nation's financial strength in a single institution.
* It exposed the government to control by foreign interests.
* It served mainly to make the rich richer.
* It exercised too much control over members of Congress.
* It favored northeastern states over southern and western states.

Following Jefferson, Jackson supported an "agricultural republic" and felt the Bank improved the fortunes of an "elite circle" of commercial and industrial entrepreneurs at the expense of farmers and laborers. After a titanic struggle, Jackson succeeded in destroying the Bank by vetoing its 1832 re-charter by Congress and by withdrawing U.S. funds in 1833.
1833 Democratic cartoon shows Jackson destroying the devil's Bank.

The bank's money-lending functions were taken over by the legions of local and state banks that sprang up. This fed an expansion of credit and speculation. At first, as Jackson withdrew money from the Bank to invest it in other banks, land sales, canal construction, cotton production, and manufacturing boomed.[28] However, due to the practice of banks issuing paper banknotes that were not backed by gold or silver reserves, there was soon rapid inflation and mounting state debts.[29] Then, in 1836, Jackson issued the Specie Circular, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes. These banks collapsed.[28] This was a direct cause of the Panic of 1837, which threw the national economy into a deep depression. It took years for the economy to recover from the damage.

The U.S. Senate censured Jackson on March 28, 1834, for his action in removing U.S. funds from the Bank of the United States. When the Jacksonians had a majority in the Senate, the censure was expunged.

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On December 02 2009 12:02 motbob wrote:
Anyone who thinks Obama is going back on his promises during the campaign wasn't paying attention during the debates. Obama repeatedly said that Bush made a mistake by focusing on Iraq at the expense of Afghanistan.

I think Obama believes that we can find the same wild success in Afghanistan that we've had in Iraq the past few years.

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On December 02 2009 12:13 keV. wrote:


You are the least politically informed person on TL.

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On December 02 2009 12:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

Why do you think you need to destroy things to get rich? Wealth comes to people based on desire, not based on appetite for destruction.

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On December 02 2009 12:15 CharlieMurphy wrote:

good argument bro.

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On December 02 2009 12:15 baal wrote:




Maybe im stupid and that was blatant sarcasm, cuz if not damn.. ...

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On December 02 2009 12:19 keV. wrote:


I don't need to make one, if someone went and read your posts in this thread, they should be immediately able to write you off as a political deaf-mute. (provided they are not also a fool). By all means continue, its not as if you posting insane shit is news around here. Its not like one person calling you retarded will discourage you.

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