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| Disregard China. December 02 2009 12:28. Posts 8060 | Profile Blog # |
| I caught some of it when I arrived back from class, Obama seems to love repeating and listing stuff in his persuasive speeches. |
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| Disregard China. December 02 2009 12:29. Posts 8060 | Profile Blog # |
| Everyone, blame the fat-cats! Corporations run the world, except maybe in some parts of Africa(Maybe Africa too but whatever). |
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| keV. United States. December 02 2009 12:31. Posts 3127 | Profile Blog # |
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a war on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.Last edit: 2009-12-02 12:33:28 |
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| keepITup December 02 2009 12:33. Posts 251 | Profile Blog # |
i just don't see why we cant pull out now. i still have no idea why we are there. i understand that we couldn't leave Iraq being as we said we'd rebuild its infrastructure.
that was nice and all, butnow that were pulling out of there, why do we have to help again? stopping terrorists sounds like a really petty reason.
bush did it, and if a guy like obama is choosing to expand the effort then there must be something going on that i dont know.
iono, i dont follow this stuff that closely.Last edit: 2009-12-02 12:34:41 |
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 Magic84 Russian Federation. December 02 2009 12:36. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote:
Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit?
Fuck them all.
On December 02 2009 11:31 BalliSLife wrote:
Lobbyists and puppet presidents ftw
This, sadly. America is doing nothing but spreading death and terror in Middle East.Last edit: 2009-12-02 12:37:27 |
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 KwarK United Kingdom. December 02 2009 12:36. Posts 20471 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:23 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:19 keV. wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:15 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:13 keV. wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do.
You are the least politically informed person on TL.
good argument bro.
I don't need to make one, if someone went and read your posts in this thread, they should be immediately able to write you off as a political deaf-mute. (provided they are not also a fool). By all means continue, its not as if you posting insane shit is news around here. Its not like one person calling you retarded will discourage you.
good argument bro.
As much as I'm inclined to agree with his sentiments you very much won this argument CM. I laughed. <3
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| CharlieMurphy United States. December 02 2009 12:37. Posts 22893 | Profile Blog # |
What was that one thing obama said in the speech that was completely vague and implies a never ending war? Oh yea, it was this mission objective:
"..a civilian surge that reinforces positive action;.." |
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| Disregard China. December 02 2009 12:39. Posts 8060 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:31 keV. wrote:
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.
I think pulling out and leaving the situation as is will just develop even more scrutiny from the public, especially internationally. As a superpower America has to get the job done or we will lose face. |
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| HeadhunteR Argentina. December 02 2009 12:41. Posts 1226 | Profile Blog # |
No one has the slightest idea what is going on in either country the media sends a message that could be totaly different from reality.
if the issue is what Obama said some years ago, then that cannot be a valid point. There has and there will never be a presidential canditate that when he becomes president that dose what promised and he said in his campain.
A very important point everyone dosent take into account is the fact that obama will have little to no resources to back anything he dose, 6 years of war in iraq have cost the american dollar too much. there is no way that the usa will get back to their blossoming economy anytime soon.
the importance of going to afganistan is that he is trying to do the right thing, he is trying to get Al qaeda. But for those who know that al qaeda is a non existant threat well we know that what obama is doing is pure politics.
He is in no way the same as bush.. stop comparing him based on promises not made.. every politician dose that its politics at work.
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| keV. United States. December 02 2009 12:42. Posts 3127 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:39 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:31 keV. wrote:
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.
I think pulling out and leaving the situation as is will just develop even more scrutiny from the public, especially internationally. As a superpower America has to get the job done or we will lose face.
That is certainly true. Bush basically cost us our world wide street cred. Imagine if Osama was actually captured or killed, we'd have that swagger again... |
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| Magic84 Russian Federation. December 02 2009 12:44. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On December 02 2009 12:41 HeadhunteR wrote:
No one has the slightest idea what is going on in either country the media sends a message that could be totaly different from reality.
if the issue is what Obama said some years ago, then that cannot be a valid point. There has and there will never be a presidential canditate that when he becomes president that dose what promised and he said in his campain.
A very important point everyone dosent take into account is the fact that obama will have little to no resources to back anything he dose, 6 years of war in iraq have cost the american dollar too much. there is no way that the usa will get back to their blossoming economy anytime soon.
the importance of going to afganistan is that he is trying to do the right thing, he is trying to get Al qaeda. But for those who know that al qaeda is a non existant threat well we know that what obama is doing is pure politics.
He is in no way the same as bush.. stop comparing him based on promises not made.. every politician dose that its politics at work.
He's the same as bush. He's a nobody who reads speeches written for him to read. |
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| keV. United States. December 02 2009 12:44. Posts 3127 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:44 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:41 HeadhunteR wrote:
No one has the slightest idea what is going on in either country the media sends a message that could be totaly different from reality.
if the issue is what Obama said some years ago, then that cannot be a valid point. There has and there will never be a presidential canditate that when he becomes president that dose what promised and he said in his campain.
A very important point everyone dosent take into account is the fact that obama will have little to no resources to back anything he dose, 6 years of war in iraq have cost the american dollar too much. there is no way that the usa will get back to their blossoming economy anytime soon.
the importance of going to afganistan is that he is trying to do the right thing, he is trying to get Al qaeda. But for those who know that al qaeda is a non existant threat well we know that what obama is doing is pure politics.
He is in no way the same as bush.. stop comparing him based on promises not made.. every politician dose that its politics at work.
He's the same as bush. He's a nobody who reads speeches written for him to read.
Ahh, thank god - I was worried we wouldn't get a clairvoyant in this thread. Thanks. |
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| ShaperofDreams Canada. December 02 2009 12:54. Posts 2492 | Profile Blog # |
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being?
No, these traits are counterproductive in the pursuit of power. Also politicians have to deal with the corrupt upper class and corporations so if a politician is super nice and honest he won't be able to change anything.Last edit: 2009-12-02 12:54:27 |
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| ShaperofDreams Canada. December 02 2009 12:56. Posts 2492 | Profile Blog # |
| The way propaganda and information has gotten out of control in America is getting really scary. |
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| LetMeShine December 02 2009 12:57. Posts 979 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:42 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:39 Disregard wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:31 keV. wrote:
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.
I think pulling out and leaving the situation as is will just develop even more scrutiny from the public, especially internationally. As a superpower America has to get the job done or we will lose face.
That is certainly true. Bush basically cost us our world wide street cred. Imagine if Osama was actually captured or killed, we'd have that swagger again...
Not really...our street cred was already pretty poor from the long list of massive, massive screw ups. Vietnam, Operation Ajax (if you want, you can blame the British too), the Iran–Contra affair, providing Iraq with chemical weapons, and waging an absolutely silly war on people hiding in caves are just a few examples.
We've had so many political fuckups viewable from the moon that anti American sentiment, especially in countries like Iran, is hardly surprising and, at times, very understandable. Last edit: 2009-12-02 13:07:48 |
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| koreasilver Canada. December 02 2009 13:03. Posts 7488 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:29 Disregard wrote:
Everyone, blame the fat-cats! Corporations run the world, except maybe in some parts of Africa(Maybe Africa too but whatever).
South Africa 100%. |
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| keV. United States. December 02 2009 13:07. Posts 3127 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:57 LetMeShine wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:42 keV. wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:39 Disregard wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:31 keV. wrote:
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.
I think pulling out and leaving the situation as is will just develop even more scrutiny from the public, especially internationally. As a superpower America has to get the job done or we will lose face.
That is certainly true. Bush basically cost us our world wide street cred. Imagine if Osama was actually captured or killed, we'd have that swagger again...
Not really...our street cred was pretty poor from the long list of massive, massive screw ups. Vietnam, Operation Ajax (if you want, you can blame the British too), the Iran–Contra affair, providing Iraq with chemical weapons, and waging an absolutely silly war on people hiding in caves are just a few examples. Seriously though, we've had so many political fuckups viewable from the moon that there is anti American sentiment all around the world, especially in countries like Iran.
Iraq was the first real blunder where the rest of the world really thought we were retarded. You had the blatant lie about weapons of mass destruction. Democracy had not failed on a global scale until Bush went into the WRONG country.
Even then, I don't think anti-americanism was at critical levels. The real turning point, I feel, is this recession. That was when the emperor truly had no clothes.
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| LxRogue United States. December 02 2009 13:07. Posts 1402 | Profile Blog # |
Afghanistan is a huge mess. Power struggles, civil wars, and a total lack of infrastructure. Throwing more troops at it seems unlikely to do much good.
I think what motbob said bears repeating:
Obama didn't even pretend to be against the war in Afghanistan. In fact, he campaigned on it, mentioning it multiple times in the debates. Crying foul towards Obama only shows your political ignorance. |
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| Disregard China. December 02 2009 13:13. Posts 8060 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:57 LetMeShine wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:42 keV. wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:39 Disregard wrote:
On December 02 2009 12:31 keV. wrote:
TBH, I think the whole Afghanistan war is being blown out of proportion. First of all, you are talking about troop counts, allies included, that are around 1/3 of the 'Iraq surge.' The cost is certainly not zero, but if the 'rule of thumb' conversion is still roughly a million USD per troop a year... war wise; it is relatively cheap to the American tax payer.
"I don't think you can fight a war on terror anymore then a on jealousy" (Mahr) - about sums up my feelings on the war. If there really is a strategy to capture/kill those responsible for terrorist attacks AND snuff the western culture hate machine, then maybe it will work. Who knows... I do know that if Americans were subjected to another terrorist attack then all hell would break lose.
I think pulling out and leaving the situation as is will just develop even more scrutiny from the public, especially internationally. As a superpower America has to get the job done or we will lose face.
That is certainly true. Bush basically cost us our world wide street cred. Imagine if Osama was actually captured or killed, we'd have that swagger again...
Not really...our street cred was already pretty poor from the long list of massive, massive screw ups. Vietnam, Operation Ajax (if you want, you can blame the British too), the Iran–Contra affair, providing Iraq with chemical weapons, and waging an absolutely silly war on people hiding in caves are just a few examples. We've had so many political fuckups viewable from the moon that anti American sentiment, especially in countries like Iran, is hardly surprising and, at times, very understandable.
I dont think we can compare this to Vietnam, that period was way different.
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| synapse China. December 02 2009 13:22. Posts 6907 | Profile Blog # |
On December 02 2009 12:54 ShaperofDreams wrote:No, these traits are counterproductive in the pursuit of power. Also politicians have to deal with the corrupt upper class and corporations so if a politician is super nice and honest he won't be able to change anything.
Yep, that's how it works. The traits that make a good politician - decisiveness, confidence, etc. - all make them terrible people. Apparently that's one of the reasons you find so many politicians cheating with le womens nowadays: cuz they have a mindset of "i am right." People who think and are open minded make bad politicians. |
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