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 Xxio Canada. December 29 2009 03:44. Posts 4441 | Profile Blog # |
Wow, someone close this thread.
or at least start talking about the OPLast edit: 2009-12-29 03:46:32 |
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| torm3ntin Brazil. December 29 2009 03:50. Posts 2368 | Profile # |
Aggreed with the above
This hole medXprogaming stuff is making my boring day better ,
but we should go back to poor ret and his failed attemptLast edit: 2009-12-29 03:50:52 |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. December 29 2009 03:51. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
haha at this discussion;)
you can't possibly compare the two. |
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| dukethegold Canada. December 29 2009 03:57. Posts 5572 | Profile Blog # |
This is the internet. People can voice their opinions, however misinformed and uneducated they may be.
I hope this is the last of the Progamer v.s. Physician discussion. |
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 Liquid`Ret Netherlands. December 29 2009 04:01. Posts 4260 | Profile Blog # |
I definately still believe it can be done in Korea.
I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also.
But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school  ) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:Last edit: 2009-12-29 04:06:03 |
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 notrangerjoe December 29 2009 04:04. Posts 110 | Profile # |
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:
I definately still believe it can be done in Korea.
I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also.
But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:
Whatever you do ret, I wish you the best of luck. <3 |
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| dukethegold Canada. December 29 2009 04:05. Posts 5572 | Profile Blog # |
| The final decision is always yours. If you leave Korea, you may never come back. If you think that you may regret never giving another shot if you leave that country, then go for it, give one last shot. You got only one life to live, man. So live it. |
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| Nexzico Sweden. December 29 2009 04:05. Posts 93 | Profile # |
Nice OP, and the Progaming Vs Doctor discussion was juicy. I wanted to contibute, but I think it's best to stay out of it...
PS: GL ret!Last edit: 2009-12-29 04:07:09 |
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| bmml United Kingdom. December 29 2009 04:08. Posts 955 | Profile # |
| Even as someone whos only gotten into the sc korean scene a couple of years ago it was fairly obvious that the pros have to sacrifice everything to be on a team, going into korean gaming house expecting to have near any free time is plain foolish. However I do understand how people need to experience it first hand although it may be wasting the teams time, anyways goodluck to ret and others in the future all the best, hopefully this insightful post will silence the tears. |
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| rei United States. December 29 2009 04:08. Posts 2905 | Profile Blog # |
| Ret just face it, your pride won't allow you to burden your friends, even when they are more than willing to help you out. |
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| Daedes Bangladesh. December 29 2009 04:10. Posts 105 | Profile # |
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:I definately still believe it can be done in Korea. I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also. But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school ) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:
why are you upset then if you know your better than them and you know people don't win courage for years...? |
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| hacpee United States. December 29 2009 04:10. Posts 740 | Profile # |
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:I definately still believe it can be done in Korea. I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also. But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school ) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:
Ret have you considered taking donations to help you stay for more chances at courage? We all believe in you! Keep working on your zvz and keep practicing!
Also, keep practicing for the TSL. You can beat Idra!Last edit: 2009-12-29 04:13:55 |
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| MaGic~PhiL Germany. December 29 2009 04:12. Posts 6739 | Profile Blog # |
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:I definately still believe it can be done in Korea. I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also. But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school ) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:
being successful in TSL is a first step to rebuild your confidence !
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| Sharp-eYe Canada. December 29 2009 04:21. Posts 642 | Profile Blog # |
seeing how grateful ret is to his friends in korea already, i dont think he would want to. then again im not ret.
i dont think ret is young enough, and only stay if you can pay for it on your own, so you dont feel like a leecher.
then again im just a 16 year old :/ |
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| Cambium Japan. December 29 2009 04:22. Posts 15607 | Profile Blog # |
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:I definately still believe it can be done in Korea. I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also. But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school ) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D:
GL ret. |
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| errol1001 December 29 2009 04:23. Posts 413 | Profile # |
Your family and friends will certainly help the most for making a decision.. I certainly don't know enough about you to say much. I don't know your interests, or what you'd be going home to do.
I don't think you're old, though I guess it depends on what you have already accomplished. If you're completed college, that just doesn't sound bad to me. You've got 30+ years of work ahead of you. I don't think a month or two to make another attempt or two at courage is really relevant on the time scale.
What seems more important to me is what comes after courage. Getting into a new progamer house - will it be any different there? Think you can put up with the life style then, for months, years? What are the pros and cons after courage?
Good luck with whatever route you decide on. |
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| bellweather United States. December 29 2009 04:23. Posts 388 | Profile Blog # |
| I want to preface what I post with this; I love progaming and it has been/ is still very enjoyable as a spectator. That being said, I don't understand why anyone does it, especially foreigners going to Korea for SC. Yes you can do what you enjoy as a profession, but there are so many negative aspects to it. You won't be a progamer when you're 35, let alone those that fizzle out at 23, and then you're in Korea having spent the majority of your time on what "normal" people spend to pursue their careers/ education. Another huge factor is that it's an incredibly difficult job to get and once you get it you're sitting at a computer playing a VIDEO GAMMMMME for 16 hrs a day learning nothing else even remotely relevant to life. In my opinion, the opportunity cost alone should be enough to deter any foreigner from even attempting to go to Korea, and rightfully so. Now I sure as hell don't want Idra/Ret/whoever else to listen to me if all they want to do in life is play professional SC, but I just don't see the rationale. Someone enlighten me if possible. |
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| Dav_ Hungary. December 29 2009 04:24. Posts 236 | Profile # |
What's the point to going to Korea now when SC2 will come out soon?
I mean you can go to Korea and work on your BW skill like crazy to become a B team member
or you can stay where you are and with the same effort make big $$$ in SC2
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| errol1001 December 29 2009 04:29. Posts 413 | Profile # |
On December 29 2009 04:23 InsideTheBox wrote:
I want to preface what I post with this; I love progaming and it has been/ is still very enjoyable as a spectator. That being said, I don't understand why anyone does it, especially foreigners going to Korea for SC. Yes you can do what you enjoy as a profession, but there are so many negative aspects to it. You won't be a progamer when you're 35, let alone those that fizzle out at 23, and then you're in Korea having spent the majority of your time on what "normal" people spend to pursue their careers/ education. Another huge factor is that it's an incredibly difficult job to get and once you get it you're sitting at a computer playing a VIDEO GAMMMMME for 16 hrs a day learning nothing else even remotely relevant to life. In my opinion, the opportunity cost alone should be enough to deter any foreigner from even attempting to go to Korea, and rightfully so. Now I sure as hell don't want Idra/Ret/whoever else to listen to me if all they want to do in life is play professional SC, but I just don't see the rationale. Someone enlighten me if possible.
Actually, I think one thing you can take away from it is a very strong work ethic, which is relevant for all jobs. I know it sounds weird - work ethic and games - but if you can practice starcraft for a dozen hours a day, every day, you should be able to succeed at whatever you decide to do after progaming. |
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