| BlissX1 United States. January 04 2010 13:22. Posts 328 | Profile Blog # |
| Awwww... Bisu just dropped out >_<. I was really suprised at not seeing Bisu's name on the top ten rank |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. January 04 2010 14:06. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| Nitpick: In Flash's entry, you say he is "probably going to break the streak record for any matchup very soon," whereas he already has. It goes him with 21 TvTs, Oov with 18 TvZs, and I think Best? With 15 PvPs. |
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| Jayme United States. January 04 2010 14:40. Posts 4924 | Profile Blog # |
On January 04 2010 10:27 Fenrax wrote:
If you watch G4 of Flash vs. Calm you can see Flash fistpump after winning G4. And that was a great sign of respect, neither JD nor anyone else managed to get a fistpump out of him, and he did it because he knew that he has to play his very best to beat calm.
Respect?
Maybe he fistpumped because you know he reached the finals of a starleague for the first time in a long time...something that is much overdue. I've seen Flash play more flawless TvZ than he did vs Calm, you're reading far too much into a simple fistpump |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. January 04 2010 14:54. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
On January 04 2010 09:39 MuffinDude wrote:
Dude rewatch the game, you'll see that jaedong's lings came about 4~5 seconds after his drones and flash's little army engaged. Jaedong shouldn't of just relyed on the sunkens and just use drone ling to delay him and morph sunken then.
I don't just watch the game. I play the game everyday. I look up to flash and try to interprate his strategies into my play. I studdy all his VODs until i know his exact build. I use his strategies on iccup everyday and also so happen to have used this 7 rax more than 50 games.
Most of you guys didn't even notice it was a 7rax until days after the actual match.
I know the scenario that will occur when you get into that situation.
You will have 20 seconds to get that bunker up, not 5 seconds. And zerg will lose alot more than 4 drones if he wants to fight marines for 20 seconds.
What I'm trying to say here is that if flash didn't win that, he fucked up. It was not jaedongs job to to something spectacular.
I agree that he could have dealt with it better, but he couldn't have won. Not vs flash.
What he could have done, is to target the scvs with lings and drones and let the sunkens finnish the bunker. However he would be so far behind that he couldn't have won vs flash.
Thats the only move that could have saved him for a longer game, he didn't do it.
Jaedongs strengths have never been to adapt to new builds. He shouldn't now suddenly be punnished for it.Last edit: 2010-01-04 14:59:23 |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. January 04 2010 15:02. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On January 04 2010 14:40 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 10:27 Fenrax wrote:
If you watch G4 of Flash vs. Calm you can see Flash fistpump after winning G4. And that was a great sign of respect, neither JD nor anyone else managed to get a fistpump out of him, and he did it because he knew that he has to play his very best to beat calm.
Respect? Maybe he fistpumped because you know he reached the finals of a starleague for the first time in a long time...something that is much overdue. I've seen Flash play more flawless TvZ than he did vs Calm, you're reading far too much into a simple fistpump
I think it was more because it was a really taxing series.
Think about his game vs FBH, he was jumping around like crazy -- because of how tense it was -- after he won. I don't think respect factored into more more than an expression of relief.
Not that he doesn't respect these players, but that's not the immediate thing on his mind after winning a series of rough games.Last edit: 2010-01-04 15:10:16 |
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| meegrean Thailand. January 04 2010 15:47. Posts 6007 | Profile # | |
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. January 04 2010 17:21. Posts 5002 | Profile # |
Still puting Kwanro , Sea and Zero.... you could argue about zero although Zero failed every league at the same time and he played bad against Movie and Stork for that matter above Calm is not reasonable . Calm made it from the OSL group of death , but i forgat that you think ZvZ is nothing , and please don't hold Calm's 2 hat mutas against Pure as something Calm did as a desperation . Pure isn't a good player at least not in PvZ he fluked 1 win against Zero and beat Yarnc in a tie breaker to whom he lost in the group also . Calm would have beaten him with whatever build he prepared , but after the frist game with such a bad defence against Calm's 3 hatch muta timing of 2 hatch i don't blame him for trying 2 hat mutas in the second game . Sea hasn't done anything note worthy to put him above Calm he had 1 easy win against Jaedong and that's basicly it . And puting Kwanro above Calm is just fanboism Kwanro is bader then Calm in all MU not to mention that he got destroyed by him in the finals ....
And Plexa judging Calm , Zero , Jaedong and even Effort's ZvT based on playing Flash is just stupid because they will all probably demolish any other terran in a series . There diffrence in skill's can't be compared based on how well they did against Flash .Last edit: 2010-01-04 17:28:03 |
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| Athos United States. January 04 2010 17:23. Posts 2459 | Profile Blog # |
I really disagree with you putting Stork above Jaedong and I'm a huge Stork fanboy. The fact is at the end of the day Jaedong is in the MSL and Stork has nothing. I can understand the argument that you have to look at the play and not just results, but I feel that ranking the best protoss over the best zerg because you think his pvz was better than Jaedong's zvt is a really shaky arguement. (Then again, this is all completely subjective with no scientific basis what-so-ever)
The universal yardstick rule with Flash doesn't come off to me as a convincing way of ranking zvt play considering they only played 2 games and one of them was a bunker rush. There's so much variance in programing right now that I really wish that Flash and Jaedong had played a best of 7 or something so that we could get a feel for who had better late game play. Sadly, the games ended too early. 
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| haitike Spain. January 04 2010 19:05. Posts 705 | Profile # |
All people that complain about Zero being too high, cause he has loss too this month and should be below calm.
This is a about who play better, and Zero have played very well al the month. He had a difficult calendar with many matches and top-opponents and when He loss, he played well. Calm or Kwanro were more mediocre overall.
Stop seeing only results statistics.Last edit: 2010-01-04 19:10:53 |
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| Salteador Neo Andorra. January 04 2010 19:26. Posts 3611 | Profile # |
| So Sea just got pwned in his awesome TvT by the slumping Fantasy. Yeah. |
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| Hinanawi United States. January 04 2010 21:20. Posts 2250 | Profile Blog # |
| Flash really should have had both #1 and #2 this month. |
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| Holgerius Sweden. January 04 2010 21:31. Posts 16798 | Profile Blog # |
70% winrate, 2400 ELO, two straight wins against dragons.
Flash has not lost a single game that mattered during the entire season; 2 losses in BoX's that he won anyway, 2 losses in PL where he went on to win the ace game himself and 1 loss in the OSL groupstage where he advanced anyway. 
BONJWA!Last edit: 2010-01-04 21:36:41 |
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| blue_arrow January 04 2010 21:38. Posts 1971 | Profile Blog # |
| flash should be rank 0,1 and 2 next month if he wins both SLs and continues to dominate in PL |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. January 04 2010 21:48. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
On January 04 2010 21:31 Holgerius wrote:
BONJWA!
seriously, I don't care what people say, He's just reached bonjwastatus for me.
+ Show Spoiler +Is this not enough people? I check through other bonjwas results and I dont find this kind of domination anywhere. Even in this time, when everyone is so good he's able to dominate harder than anyone has before. I just hope he goes on to win both SL's so we can end the discussion. 2400 ELO. 70% total win%. racestreaks everywhere. Last edit: 2010-01-04 21:48:51 |
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| Silentness United States. January 04 2010 21:54. Posts 2379 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Hinanawi United States. January 04 2010 22:15. Posts 2250 | Profile Blog # |
On January 04 2010 21:48 StylishVODs wrote:seriously, I don't care what people say, He's just reached bonjwastatus for me. + Show Spoiler +Is this not enough people? I check through other bonjwas results and I dont find this kind of domination anywhere. Even in this time, when everyone is so good he's able to dominate harder than anyone has before. I just hope he goes on to win both SL's so we can end the discussion. 2400 ELO. 70% total win%. racestreaks everywhere.
I went ahead and expanded your list to include every game this season, behold:
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| Promises Netherlands. January 05 2010 00:24. Posts 1329 | Profile # |
I rather liked the PowerRank, its well explained and seems to fit. I completely agree with Bisu's placing aswell, sure he has pulled off some decent results, his games looked... kinda bad. Sloppy, not in control. There's a few games where the old Bisu came trough, but overall I didnt like his play at all. And I like Bisu a lot.
I'm not 100% sure on Movie's position, I really really love the guy and I'm looking to him as the new inventive protoss, but his play hasnt been all that solid yet, so the current ranking might be a bit high. Completely agree on Calm tho =) |
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| Phradamon Romania. January 05 2010 04:11. Posts 190 | Profile # |
On January 04 2010 14:40 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 04 2010 10:27 Fenrax wrote:
If you watch G4 of Flash vs. Calm you can see Flash fistpump after winning G4. And that was a great sign of respect, neither JD nor anyone else managed to get a fistpump out of him, and he did it because he knew that he has to play his very best to beat calm.
Respect? Maybe he fistpumped because you know he reached the finals of a starleague for the first time in a long time...something that is much overdue. I've seen Flash play more flawless TvZ than he did vs Calm, you're reading far too much into a simple fistpump
Flash just won the GOM like six months ago vs Iris... |
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