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| Jaeden Romania. January 24 2010 02:45. Posts 1489 | Profile # |
On January 24 2010 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
All I ask is for JD at number two as expected.
well, I think it's pretty safe to say that it will happen. |
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| Avidkeystamper United States. January 24 2010 02:47. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
| Well, that's what we all thought last month. |
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| samachking Bahrain. January 24 2010 03:04. Posts 4949 | Profile Blog # |
I am asking for a JD #1 please if you do not mind. We all know that JD was the true #2 in this current PR and Stork as #2 was simply Plexa flame baiting JD fans or suffering extreme cognitive dissonance. Jaedong and Flash have went 3-3 vs each other since the SL's started, and as much as you want to question the legitimacy of JD's win, he was the better and more prepared player in the bo5, infact this series and his builds this series only further proves that he is the best Bo5 series player to ever play the game and pretty much only up with Nada as greatest player ever. Noone except Nada and Oov have won 4 starleagues in a faster time span than JD did. But JD has the record for 5 starleagues.
Flash is invincible and has a better record than JD you say? Well not anymore.
Jaedong stats since November
80.56% winrate. 2 of them are ZvZs Ive watched, one he lost due to a bo loss, the other he lost to simply building one pair less of lings vs a all ining opponent. JD has lost 3 ZvZs, 3 games vs Flash who he returned the favor to by taking 3 games back in the finals in this season, and a loss due to going 9pool then being greedy vs Sea. I realize that half of the people here are completely blinded by the flashing wins of our favorite terran to realize that JD has been racking up the wins and breaking records. The most dominant SL run up to date, with one hell of a imbalanced map pool vZ and becoming the best ZvPer to ever play the game with a 16 winstreak( which doesnt include raping TaekBang in WCG, the games vs Stork were close, but he simply raped Bisu)
Flash stats since November
77% winrate which is also mind blowing considering the amount of games he has played. But the only reason he played more games over JD is 1) Hwaseung Oz is actually being nice to JD this season and is letting him off the hook for the ace matches 2)He got to eliminate JD from OSL first which was last month.
What am I rambling about anyways  . This is all going to be settled during the KT vs Oz WL match up this month. Prepare to be hyped because both these men have something to prove and will be going all out during that series considering their recent rivalry + WL rivalry. Here's to an epic series  because I'm sure both Flash/JD are looking to rack up some wins and send a strong message to their fans.Last edit: 2010-01-24 03:05:25 |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. January 24 2010 03:22. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
| wether Flash or JD will be first is decided by a single thing imo. Is plexa the one who writes it or not |
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 din Hungary. January 24 2010 03:24. Posts 27 | Profile # |
@samachking
You should also check which players  Flash and  Jaedong played with. You will realize why Flash reached 2400 ELO.
Btw The TLPD ELO is broken, because of the funny Power Outage report. Some admin should fix it.
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| Holgerius Sweden. January 24 2010 03:44. Posts 16798 | Profile Blog # |
| ''I think he's the greatest player''. Jaedong himself wants to see Flash as No 1 on the PR. |
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| InFdude Bulgaria. January 24 2010 04:22. Posts 602 | Profile Blog # |
| JD is n1 at ELO and KESPA .Even without that power outrage shit it was still 2:1 and all because of the stupid guardians.I don't see Jaedong loosing anything but a ZvZ now so I predict he'll break 2409 ELO. (actually I think both flash and JD will ) |
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| SuperArc Austria. January 24 2010 04:25. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
Actually looking at Jaedongs recent stats AND play.
I want to request #1 for BOTH players. There is no way you can say either player deserves #1 over the other. |
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| LucasWoJ United States. January 24 2010 04:46. Posts 915 | Profile Blog # |
Well, jaedong's been playing better than flash lately, but that's only because his skills have been able to be displayed because of his lighter schedule. This shouldn't help Flash on the Power Ranking, but it seems it would be unfair to hurt him either. In any event, Jaedong's shot at #1 should not be hurt for his lighter schedule. Finding the right balance will be an interesting event.
Statistically speaking, either Flash or jaedong could be number one (simply because many of Flash's losses were irrelevant--loss to kwanro, for example)
Game-wise, it could go either way, again, but I feel Jaedong comes out a little ahead. It's obvious that Plexa was wrong about Jaedong's ZvT. It was able to stop Flash's best matchup at its peak, and in a somewhat convincing fashion, too. If nothing else, Jaedong planned a superb BO5. His ZvP is the best ever, and his ZvZ, this month, is comparable to Flash's TvT, if not better. I would put Jaedong at #1, but I am a little biased.
It would make perfect sense to place Flash at number one though, especially if he gets another win this month. |
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| okum Austria. January 24 2010 04:57. Posts 5700 | Profile Blog # |
It's funny, but I actually think Jaedong is ahead.
I actually expected (or at least wasn't at all surprised by the results) that Jaedong would win the MSL finals, and that it would happen pretty much the way it did (except for the blackout, of course): Flash losing a game or two to mutalisk harass, and a game or two to successful mind games / build orders intended to directly counter Flash's recent strategies. Jaedong had the strategic advantage coming into the series (due to being able to study Flash's huge number of recent TvZs), probably a practice time advantage, and maybe also a motivational advantage since Flash just won a league.
Given Flash's 1 gold + 1 silver vs Jaedong's 1 gold, and that they traded series for their respective victories... with the OSL in recent memory, I anticipated that Flash would still have a clear lead even after things turning out the way they did. But after actually watching the games, I'm not so sure. Jaedong clearly was ahead the entire series. I don't think the results imply that Jaedong is a better player; they only imply that the pendulum just firmly swung back in his favor (and probably will swing back the other way soon). It was inevitable that someone would stop Flash sooner or later, and I'm happy that it was JD. I'm maybe slightly disappointed that Flash couldn't take another title to balance out his undeservedly poor league record, but there's no question that the two most deserving players won one league each this season.
Interestingly OZ vs KT in WL remains to happen this month, and if one player kills the other, that could definitely influence the next Power Rank. But with the usual luck, probably either Killer or fOrGG will all-kill. It's on MBC too, so who knows what might happen! |
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| DreaM)XeRO Korea (South). January 24 2010 05:21. Posts 4667 | Profile Blog # |
On January 24 2010 03:24 din wrote:@samachking You should also check which players Flash and Jaedong played with. You will realize why Flash reached 2400 ELO. Btw The TLPD ELO is broken, because of the funny Power Outage report. Some admin should fix it.
AHAHAHAH THEY TLPD'ED POWER OUTAGE EPIC
100% HE'S GETTING ON THE NEXT PR. IM CALLING IT
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| Cpadolf Sweden. January 24 2010 05:22. Posts 1199 | Profile # |
On January 24 2010 04:46 LucasWoJ wrote:
Well, jaedong's been playing better than flash lately, but that's only because his skills have been able to be displayed because of his lighter schedule. This shouldn't help Flash on the Power Ranking, but it seems it would be unfair to hurt him either. In any event, Jaedong's shot at #1 should not be hurt for his lighter schedule. Finding the right balance will be an interesting event.
Statistically speaking, either Flash or jaedong could be number one (simply because many of Flash's losses were irrelevant--loss to kwanro, for example)
Game-wise, it could go either way, again, but I feel Jaedong comes out a little ahead. It's obvious that Plexa was wrong about Jaedong's ZvT. It was able to stop Flash's best matchup at its peak, and in a somewhat convincing fashion, too. If nothing else, Jaedong planned a superb BO5. His ZvP is the best ever, and his ZvZ, this month, is comparable to Flash's TvT, if not better. I would put Jaedong at #1, but I am a little biased.
It would make perfect sense to place Flash at number one though, especially if he gets another win this month.
You know, Jaedong only had one ZvZ this month, and he lost, against Crazy-Hydra |
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| okum Austria. January 24 2010 05:24. Posts 5700 | Profile Blog # |
On January 24 2010 05:22 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 04:46 LucasWoJ wrote:
Well, jaedong's been playing better than flash lately, but that's only because his skills have been able to be displayed because of his lighter schedule. This shouldn't help Flash on the Power Ranking, but it seems it would be unfair to hurt him either. In any event, Jaedong's shot at #1 should not be hurt for his lighter schedule. Finding the right balance will be an interesting event.
Statistically speaking, either Flash or jaedong could be number one (simply because many of Flash's losses were irrelevant--loss to kwanro, for example)
Game-wise, it could go either way, again, but I feel Jaedong comes out a little ahead. It's obvious that Plexa was wrong about Jaedong's ZvT. It was able to stop Flash's best matchup at its peak, and in a somewhat convincing fashion, too. If nothing else, Jaedong planned a superb BO5. His ZvP is the best ever, and his ZvZ, this month, is comparable to Flash's TvT, if not better. I would put Jaedong at #1, but I am a little biased.
It would make perfect sense to place Flash at number one though, especially if he gets another win this month.
You know, Jaedong only had one ZvZ this month, and he lost, against Crazy-Hydra
I was going to say that Flash also has the disadvantage of having lost his aura of invincibility in TvT... but that's much worse |
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| LucasWoJ United States. January 24 2010 05:40. Posts 915 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah, I was largely comparing the two losses (really versus crazy-hydra) with my post, and it was unfair to say that his zvz is better than Flash's TvT. In any event, Jaedong has a seemingly invincible matchup that Flash does not have anymore. |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. January 24 2010 07:22. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
Flash have seemingly invincible matchups. all three.
the only one who can stop him is jaedong on a good day, but remember he lost 0-2 in osl...
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| blue_arrow January 24 2010 07:33. Posts 1971 | Profile Blog # |
MBCGame Studio should be put in the next CBNC
It almost had enough power to make the rank |
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| Jaeden Romania. January 24 2010 08:43. Posts 1489 | Profile # |
On January 24 2010 07:22 StylishVODs wrote:
Flash have seemingly invincible matchups. all three.
the only one who can stop him is jaedong on a good day, but remember he lost 0-2 in osl...
I don`t mind Flash at #1, although JD is also great in all MUs imo |
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| LucasWoJ United States. January 24 2010 09:32. Posts 915 | Profile Blog # |
On January 24 2010 07:22 StylishVODs wrote:
Flash have seemingly invincible matchups. all three.
the only one who can stop him is jaedong on a good day, but remember he lost 0-2 in osl...
Remember that that was last month though. I'm referring specifically to this month, and Jaedong's zvp (against any toss), to me at least, seems like a more of a sure bet than any of Flash's matchups. |
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| Malinor Germany. January 24 2010 09:36. Posts 4171 | Profile # |
After those finals, we have Flash 2375 at ELO and JD at 2358, five points below his peak. Two players above 2350 ELO at the same time, that's just insanity.
Give JD 10 ZvPs straight, and he might also get 2400.
Regardless, Flash has to be #1. While JD has not performed much worse thant Flash in the last few months and his play was really really good, it did not have the invincibility which Flash showed in all three match-ups. Flashs play just left me speechless time after time.
That being said, JDs performance against Kal also was pure art.Last edit: 2010-01-24 09:37:42 |
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| piratebay United States. January 24 2010 09:36. Posts 399 | Profile Blog # |
jaedong: still the best z v z in the game.
the best z v p in the fucking whole of sc (july compares but nowhere near the consistency of jaedong in this.. holy mother of god, can any toss take him down?)
best z v t, his strategical genius in countering flash was sick. if he hadn't gotten guardians kept pouring on the muta harass in game 2 at flash's main, i believe it would have been a 3-0. |
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