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 Chupacabra(UCSD)   Mexico. March 26 2010 23:46. Posts 213
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Interesting video brought to my attention by Ig.zeep

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 Piy   Scotland. March 27 2010 00:47. Posts 3054
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Further proof that all substances should be legalized. Drug trafficking fucks up so many people...
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  CTStalker   Canada. March 27 2010 00:54. Posts 9662Profile Blog # 
the solution to one extreme isn't the other yo. there's a sensible middle-ground there, somewhere
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
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 D10   Brazil. March 27 2010 01:07. Posts 3246
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Im pretty sure legalizing all kinds of drugs and giving us the freedom we are entitled to is not extreme, you have just bought into this idea that a world where drugs are legal is wacko batshit insane stuff because you have been spoon fed it by all directions throughout your whole life
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 Boblion   France. March 27 2010 01:51. Posts 7797
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On March 27 2010 00:47 Piy wrote:
Drug trafficking fucks up so many people...

And drugs don't ?
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  CTStalker   Canada. March 27 2010 02:08. Posts 9662Profile Blog # 

On March 27 2010 01:07 D10 wrote:
Im pretty sure legalizing all kinds of drugs and giving us the freedom we are entitled to is not extreme, you have just bought into this idea that a world where drugs are legal is wacko batshit insane stuff because you have been spoon fed it by all directions throughout your whole life

lmao don't psychoanalyze me based on a one-line post you nut
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
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 CrimsonLotus   Colombia. March 27 2010 02:10. Posts 1027
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On March 27 2010 01:51 Boblion wrote:

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And drugs don't ?


It doesn't matter whether drugs are legal or not, people will still use them.

The fact that they are illegal just causes larges ammounts of violence and death in countries such as Mexico, and that comes with high levels of corruption which destroy any chance of such countries to improve their standars of living, making not just the goverment but the society as a whole corrupt.

I don't like drugs, at all, i think in an ideal world not even alcohol or cigarettes should exist, but we don't live in an ideal world, and unless this "war on drugs "starts to focus on killing consumers all over the world, especially in the US and Western Europe, it can never be won because the money will always be there.

Obviously, something like that will never happen so it's juts nonsense to continue fighting a war that can never be won in any significant way and that just breeds violence, corruption and crime.
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 On_Slaught   United States. March 27 2010 02:22. Posts 7901
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It would probably be cheaper to build an actual wall, like Hadrians or The great Wall of China, along the souther border than all this other shit we're spending money on.
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 Louder   United States. March 27 2010 02:24. Posts 2276
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Thank Americans "war on drugs" for Mexico's drug war. Makes me ashamed to be an American citizen.
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 Louder   United States. March 27 2010 02:28. Posts 2276
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On March 27 2010 02:10 CrimsonLotus wrote:

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It doesn't matter whether drugs are legal or not, people will still use them.

The fact that they are illegal just causes larges ammounts of violence and death in countries such as Mexico, and that comes with high levels of corruption which destroy any chance of such countries to improve their standars of living, making not just the goverment but the society as a whole corrupt.

I don't like drugs, at all, i think in an ideal world not even alcohol or cigarettes should exist, but we don't live in an ideal world, and unless this "war on drugs "starts to focus on killing consumers all over the world, especially in the US and Western Europe, it can never be won because the money will always be there.

Obviously, something like that will never happen so it's juts nonsense to continue fighting a war that can never be won in any significant way and that just breeds violence, corruption and crime.


More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton.
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 Pape   Serbia. March 27 2010 02:31. Posts 419
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Its funny that the USA media doesn't cover this when its such a huge issue right next door. Simply ignoring innocent lives that your neighbors are losing because most of the demand in the USA. Mexicans are some of the biggest Christian people that I have found and the USA calls itself the biggest Christian country in the world and simply fails to help the people of Mexico.

It doesn't suprise me that the USA is supporting the albanian drug lords in Kosovo while they burn down churches and monastaires and breed taliban to go blow up the world trade centers...
good luck have fun!
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 On_Slaught   United States. March 27 2010 02:47. Posts 7901
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On March 27 2010 02:28 Louder wrote:

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More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton.


Those are some pretty hefty claims to be making without a single shred of evidence that goes to your assumption that there is some malicious intent behind all of this.
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 Louder   United States. March 27 2010 02:53. Posts 2276
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On March 27 2010 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:

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Those are some pretty hefty claims to be making without a single shred of evidence that goes to your assumption that there is some malicious intent behind all of this.


Do you live in a cave? Were you alive when the war on crack started? I remember seeing the commercials (I was in 6th grade) and thinking it looked more like advertisements. Crack use among blacks didn't actually explode until AFTER the government started running the "crack epidemic" ads.

If you don't think having a for-profit prison system and a for-profit "health care" system, along with a loosely regulated financial system, along with a government composed of individuals who receive benefits from both, lead to vast abuses of power and rights, then you need to seriously rethink your world views.
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  TanGeng   China. March 27 2010 02:57. Posts 4462Profile # 
Come on, most Americans who care to find out about the drug situation aren't blind to how disastrous the drug war has been in the US and beyond its borders. It's just that there are a lot of vested political and economic interests keeping the drug war going.

One interest group is, as Louder identifies, the pharmaceuticals that make psychoactive drugs. A second interest group is the jail system which is filled and overflowing with non-violent drug users. (For profit prison system isn't so bad. It save money. The down side is that they lobby for more criminalization.) The biggest interest group of all is law enforcement and it annoys me to no end when Police chiefs have the ear of the public as voices of authority when they lobby against drug legalization on safety concerns when it's primarily lobbying to maintain a large fraction of their employment.

Americans don't fail to see the plight of others. It's just that various interest groups have far stronger economic interests to prop up.
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 On_Slaught   United States. March 27 2010 02:59. Posts 7901
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On March 27 2010 02:53 Louder wrote:

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Do you live in a cave? Were you alive when the war on crack started? I remember seeing the commercials (I was in 6th grade) and thinking it looked more like advertisements. Crack use among blacks didn't actually explode until AFTER the government started running the "crack epidemic" ads.

If you don't think having a for-profit prison system and a for-profit "health care" system, along with a loosely regulated financial system, along with a government composed of individuals who receive benefits from both, lead to vast abuses of power and rights, then you need to seriously rethink your world views.



Some purely coincidental evidence is in no way sufficient to show that there is MALICE behind the war, which is what you are claiming. Do people want to make money? Sure, just like you and every person/business in the world, But to say that they are trying to "put down the black man" and that companies find competition with the drug cartels is absurd. Do you really think if drugs were legalized that multi-billion dollar companies would have ANY problem taking absolute control of the market? I think not. This isn't to say people are benefitting from the war, but you could also say people are gaining from the earthquate in Haiti or that companies gained from World War 2. I don't think Ford was giving advice to Hitler (lol knowing Ford tho he actually might of been :D).

You can hate the "war" all you want, but nothing you can bring forth, unless you have some documents from officials noone has ever seen, can meet the bar for slander that you just threw all over the government and medical companies.
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  TanGeng   China. March 27 2010 03:06. Posts 4462Profile # 
Actually, prohibiting naturally grown marijuana created a market for artificial THC. There is a large family of psychoactive drugs that get shielded from competition with drug prohibition. But imputing malice and immorality is overstating it. It's simply trying to make money and maximize their return on investment.

And dammit the current US defense industry does lobby for wars.
Last edit: 2010-03-27 03:07:45
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 Louder   United States. March 27 2010 03:06. Posts 2276
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On March 27 2010 02:59 On_Slaught wrote:

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Some purely coincidental evidence is in no way sufficient to show that there is MALICE behind the war, which is what you are claiming. Do people want to make money? Sure, just like you and every person/business in the world, But to say that they are trying to "put down the black man" and that companies find competition with the drug cartels is absurd. Do you really think if drugs were legalized that multi-billion dollar companies would have ANY problem taking absolute control of the market? I think not. This isn't to say people are benefitting from the war, but you could also say people are gaining from the earthquate in Haiti or that companies gained from World War 2. I don't think Ford was giving advice to Hitler (lol knowing Ford tho he actually might of been :D).

You can hate the "war" all you want, but nothing you can bring forth, unless you have some documents from officials noone has ever seen, can meet the bar for slander that you just threw all over the government and medical companies.


I think there IS ample evidence in the statistics that there IS malicious intent, racially. But that really isn't what I was trying to get involved in with this post, and I'm not going to argue the point.
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 ggrrg   Bulgaria. March 27 2010 03:10. Posts 1932
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On March 27 2010 01:07 D10 wrote:
Im pretty sure legalizing all kinds of drugs and giving us the freedom we are entitled to is not extreme, you have just bought into this idea that a world where drugs are legal is wacko batshit insane stuff because you have been spoon fed it by all directions throughout your whole life


I would totally agree with you if humans were rational and responsible beings. Unfortunately, a major part of the population wouldn't not know where to draw a line... of course one could argue that this way society would get rid of many unneccessary people.......


On March 27 2010 02:28 Louder wrote:
More importantly, drugs are NOT illegal in this country. They're only prohibited if they're not made by Pfizer or Glaxo etc, prescribed by doctors who work for profit, not patient welfare. It's not really that we have a problem with drugs. Our pharmaceuticals just don't want the competition. And if those drugs weren't illegal, how else could we justify locking up 2.5% of all black Americans in a for profit prison system? We need to keep the darkies away from our white women and our cronies shitting in HIGH cotton.


I have no idea about American prison system, but I am astonished to learn that it is "for profit". How does it work? Can we import it ^^
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 Perfect Assassin   Mexico. March 27 2010 05:09. Posts 56
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Hello, I'm from Monterrey and studying on the same college as you. I can tell this events are very rare, or at least used to be. There's a big campaign of fear being done by the media and general population, but as some people said, if you use common sense you'll be fine (I've been all my life). It's not like other countries don't have crime organizations.

The recent event at campus where 2 students died, that only happen because they were on the wrong place at the wrong time... (and it was a bit outside the campus btw, not actually inside). It's like not going to the US only because there was shootings at some school... You can't let your life be stopped by paranoia.
With fire justice is served
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 Louder   United States. March 27 2010 05:18. Posts 2276
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On March 27 2010 03:10 ggrrg wrote:

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I would totally agree with you if humans were rational and responsible beings. Unfortunately, a major part of the population wouldn't not know where to draw a line... of course one could argue that this way society would get rid of many unneccessary people.......


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I have no idea about American prison system, but I am astonished to learn that it is "for profit". How does it work? Can we import it ^^


A huge percentage of our prison system is now privately owned and operated. There have been numerous cases of judges going to prison for wrongful convictions, who were sending people to local incarceration facilities, for kickbacks, etc. It's a joke. Some things are too important to be for profit and private. Some things NEED to be directly controlled by the government, and therefore directly accountable to the people and their elected officials - the penal system, health care, DEFENSE, etc.
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