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On March 24 2010 03:14 Zona wrote: Current version of proposed plan 1. No one is to initiate a nuke. 2. Anyone who initiates a nuke should be revenge-nuked by TWO players with real nukes. To ensure only TWO revenge-nuke, those with real nukes need to refresh the thread, and see if two have already been launched. If not, shoot one. 3. If any of the revenge-nukes turn out to be fake, the faker needs to be lynched or nuked as well. 4. Do not launch fake nukes. This only serves to muddy the picture for the town and gives an opportunity for the target to get another nuke in the air. 5. Anti-nukes should be used at their owner's discretion. However, save some for the late game, so that at that stage, the mafia can't simply nuke a large proportion of the remaining town members and win. 6. If the town COLLECTIVELY (not by some individual thought) feels that they're probably close to losing, start using nukes as daytime vigilante hits. No one should use nukes without town consensus. Anyone who nukes out of turn needs to be killed. If we opt to lynch nuke users, we will simply forget about them, and not hold them accountable, and then everyone will just go crazy with nukes without fear. We always talk about using lynches to hold people accountable, but we never actually do. Immediate action needs to be taken, and that action is nukes. But, we shouldn't need to use nukes to kill nukers ever, since people just shouldn't nuke. But if they do, they need to be immediately be counter nuked before everyone forgets and lets them go. On March 24 2010 05:55 Abenson wrote: I will vote for L simply because he is temp-banned and not much help as of now. ##vote L Bullshit, your just hopping on the bandwagon because L called to get you lynched. Revenge voting is stupid. Everyone bandwagoning on L needs to stop, he will be back before day 2, and by killing someone without any posts, what information do we get as town? none. We can lynch L after he comes back if he is action scummy/stupid, it is a waste to do it before. He has contributed with a plan and will be active when he is back. If you think that the day 1 lynch is a crapshoot, your right, but voting for someone just because they are banned for a little bit, especially when they have been actively posting content is retarded, there are plenty of other people who haven't contributed, and who obviously wont bring in any content to the game. Therefor, I am voting for Abenson. Its between him and johnnyspazz who are hopping on the bandwagon. Bandwagonning is scummy, Mafia would love to get someone else killed asap to protect themselves an be able to pass the blame for it, that is the only reason I can think of for voting L without posting any real reasons of, other than just being bad. Think for yourselves, and if your going to follow someone elses ideas, at least choose good ones. ##vote: Abenson | ||
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On March 24 2010 08:48 Versatile wrote: so what makes abenson a better target, iaaan? for the most part, everyone is just as dumb as everyone else. the only thing that makes L different is he got himself banned. what's the issue? what big grand plan did he come up with to implement before he got himself banned? listen. i don't care who it is, the dude got himself banned. period. he won't be active for two days. i'm usually for not lynching anyone on the first day because there is so little to go on, but since we've got someone sitting right there who will not benefit the town for two days, why not lynch them? honestly, if it was some other player, there would probably not be so much protesting to keep L alive. hop off his dick for a second and look for reason, loser. I have the same opinion of L as I do of you, you both just love pissing people off. But at least the two of you actually do shit. I am not set on Abenson, lynching L would be silly for the reasons that have been posted, and Abenson is a reasonable alternative. I will listen to arguments against other people. What makes Abenson a better target than L is that, L posts; if he is mafia we can catch him, while players like Abenson do not post, and since he has hopped on a ridiculous bandwagon, that is scummy. His actions point to him, L's do not. We will have lots of chances to analyze L's posting, we will not have many to analyze against players like Abenson. Lynching someone for a completely useless reason, that they wont be around for a day and a night of the game is just scum trying to get the town to waste a lynch. | ||
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On March 24 2010 09:43 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't like rules 2 and 3. I dislike rule 2 because it increases the number of available targets to retaliate against. It's entirely possible that the aggressor in this case is sitting on a stockpile of nukes, and having two additional people nuke him could potentially mean two more retaliatory strikes. I think it should be limited to just the victim and maybe just one more person that's allowed to fire in return; only in the case where the victim can't shoot back should two revenge-nukers get involved. I dislike the implications of rule 3, because it's possible we won't know which nukes are/aren't fake if they get shot down by anti-nukes, and so it could cloud the issue. Though I guess it stands to say if we all follow rules 1 and 4 then it it'd be a non-issue. Exactly, it should be a non issue. If people act against the town by using nukes when it has decided that there must be an agreement before using them, that person must die instantly. Everyone who is town should follow these rules in order to help their team, or they deserve to die; they are anti-town regardless of their role. | ||
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On March 23 2010 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Aye....I will make certain to fire many nukes in the interest of assuring mutual destruction if things do not go properly. First step of these talks shall be a statement of bargaining. L, if you bus someone for something for a previous game, I can assure you destruction. Abenson has done nothing improper yet in this game and hasn't even had the opportunity to post. I feel he at least deserves the opportunity to prove he can be a better player. We should first discuss a plan of action. Ace was pretty smart by not telling us what countries were included in this game, otherwise we could of simply called out our countries (not including our arsenals), and seen if the country we had mattered. I'll assume countries with anti-nukes are like day time paramedics. I'm curious if their are ones that protect against night actions. While Zona has a decent plan to deter nuking, it involves a lot of secondary nuking. (One nuke = Two more nukes being fired as retaliation). Then his suggestion of a third party scares me into believing he himself is a third party. Seriously, one retaliatory nuke should be enough. We have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation. Until we hear from every person I don't think we should decide on a lynch candidate. We have 2 days to find a target, let's use them. Everyone post an overall strategy, don't just cosign someone elses. I support L's M.A.D. only because I will not let someone bully me, or force a band wagon when half a day hasn't even went by yet. Be wary of following L too hard. I don't support holding grudges like that. Also, Abenson, remember this: I'm only defending for now because you haven't posted. If you continue with your habitual one liners, I may be forced to side with L and support some corrective actions. Don't take this lightly. L is rather amazing at creating band wagons, but I see people have become atleast mildly fed up with his strong grudge holding. We also have no need to day lynch, remember this. We can start shit and throw suspicion as much as possible. Ace said we need a majority of players, and once he notices, the days over. No changing your vote after that. Day cycle ends. This can hurt us severely. Everyone must be active or else we will be thoroughly fucked. Keep yourselves read up on the thread at the least, don't miss anything. If you see a bandwagon, hesitate. Don't just jump on it because you might just wind up ending the day and regret it later. Good Luck. Let's try and play nice. Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. | ||
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On March 24 2010 10:05 Versatile wrote: haha. nice. an actual response, and then a jab. thank god everyone isn't a crybaby. and Thanks, I learned from watching L (: | ||
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On March 24 2010 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: Good point Zona... ##Vote: Phrujbaz L has a reason....The rest of you all need to up your posting game. With some content. Okay...I'm going to say this again. We don't need an exact definite decision against nukes. I think our biggest worry will be people about to be lynched firing off their nukes anyway. That's the kind of stunt I would pull. I think that retaliation for nukes should be done on a situational basis. Two nukes is kind of much given that we don't know how much it will increase the ToD. That's my only problem with it. A combination of lynch/nuke is my thought, with some respect for the individual situation. I'm sure random nuking will be enough to piss off a majority of the town. Also, we need to focus on a good lynch target. Be aware that we aren't near a lynch. Even though a few of us have been posting we need the whole towns participation. Not talking is bad for the town. Stuff like that will get you lynched and it's bad for use to not post. One liners don't help. Now please, start posting some content people. Lots of people seem to be wanting to vote L. If he was some random person he would be a good candidate. But he is easily one of our best planners. Even if no lynch occurs today we will have some information gained from it because he will likely be a mafia target tonight, or even if someone else is, we should pay attention for those who push for L's lynch. Johnnyspazz hasn't posted much and voted for L originally. Abenson hasn't either and he voted for L. Nikon hasn't really posted either. I propose Phrujbaz along with Zona. (Should he actually be modkilled right now? Has he confirmed to ace, or in the thread? Game's been up for 24 hours right?) Yes, we do need a definite decision. That decision is that the vast majority of the town needs to agree before a nuke is fired, and if one is fired against the will of the town, then that person is anti town, and must die instantly via nuke. If people just nuke randomly people they get pissed off at, the town will suffer. I was mafia in Caller's red army mafiya game, and I was just giggling at how people were shooting eachother willy nilly. The mafia would be so happy to have everyone killing eachother off for them, while they stay out of the way. We need to enforce this to maintain order, and we can't just lynch idiots who fire nukes at their own discretion because: 1) It is a waste of lynches 2) Everyone will just forget about holding people accountable for their actions, and move to lynch other people They need to be nuked so we do not sacrifice the town's KP, and so that they are not forgotten. If people decide to launch nukes as they are getting lynched, again without the admission of the town, then they deserve to die. Do not let your emotions get in the way of winning, even if you are town and getting lynched, your team can still win once you are dead, without getting screwed over by a bad nuke. | ||
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Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post. I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol dude what the fuck? Its a good thing I read the last page before anything else. You are insane. nice defence Also, I voting Abenson right now seems like a bad idea, I didn't realize it was L who first brought him up, and now that abenson/opz have claimed mason, I think it is reasonable to let them live for now, assuming Abenson confirms it eventually. | ||
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It could be worse tho, two day 1 kills instead of 1 o: | ||
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I think we should let his nuke hit Caller. There isn't really any reason not to, its not like losing him is a big loss, we shouldn't waste our anti nukes, and we get more information. I doubt RoL is mafia (of course he still has to be lynched), so I think that it is better to let the nuke hit. And big lol at Abenson for coming to vote for RoL and not saying anything about opz. How stupid can you get? If you are masons you need to confirm it. If you aren't, we need to know to. Saying nothing just makes us think your even stupider, you have an easy opportunity to be useful, and you just ignore it. | ||
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I kind of want to hear what Zona has to say, but I'm thinking it might be a good idea to let the nuke fall on caller. | ||
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On March 26 2010 01:09 Versatile wrote: well, i know RoL thinks zona is mafia, but i think that's just because he's pissed. as far as suspect, my personal list would be jspazz and iaaan. you convinced me on jspazz and iaaan has had a posting style that stands out as strange to me. i'm not sold on nemy yet. need more analysis. I think your suspicious of me just because I was being rude to you. RoL has given us alot of nice content, which is good, when we kill him we will learn more from his posts than we would have if he didn't post at all, obviously. While RoL may disagree with the no nuke thing, that is too bad, if he really wanted to use nukes it would be fine to discuss it, not to just use one. He has to die or the game could easily just turn into a shitstorm. We should not waste our anti nukes to shoot his nuke down; Caller has not done anything that makes him worth saving. Simple as that, we get information, we lose someone who has not proved useful. Welcome back L O: Treehugger seems semi reasonable to lynch (at least for day 1), but it will have to wait. How posted why already, and in addition to that, we only have like an hour left to vote, right? Not enough time to switch to anyone but RoL. tl;dr Lynch RoL, Nuke Caller, wait for night post | ||
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1) lynch tree.hugger asap 2) Let johnnyspazz and L die, there is nothing that points to their alignment either way. We shouldn't waste our anti nukes on people who we aren't sure are pro town. If they are mafia an the mafia have saving powers, they will 100% get saved. Someone else went over this in some other post, so I wont repeat it explicitly. And I think L's posting style makes you want to believe that he is right. You should look at what he actually posts instead of the aggressive/confident way he posts it, he has been wrong many times before. | ||
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On March 27 2010 00:38 meeple wrote: I still suspect Iaaan of devious actions, since he hasn't really responded to any criticisms... although if I recall someone did offer some reasons why he would make those decisions, I would prefer something from him. I understand that being accused, it is generally asked that you point to a different suspect, so feel free to point out exactly what makes you think I'm suspicious, and I will explain. I've said this before but I enjoy repeating myself. We need to save some anti nukes for a time later than day1. RoL was green, and there is nothing that makes me think it is worth it to save johnny, so let him die. Same thing with L, I can see why some people support him/think he has somehow been useful enough to spend an anti nuke on, but he isn't, his role as just as uncertain as johnny's. It is reasonable to say that if L flips red then tree.hugger isn't mafia. If L flips green he has to die. The nuke should not be intercepted because then we will never know who saved him, and either of their alignments. Letting L die potentially shows us two peoples allignments, which is obviously good for us, less people to suspect. I stand by the not nuking thing, but now that it has happened, we should use it to our advantage. tl;dr, save anti nukes, nuke johnny, nuke L, lynch tree.hugger based off L's alignment. | ||
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