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T.O.P.  Hong Kong. April 13 2010 18:15. Posts 4449 | Profile Blog # |
On April 13 2010 16:33 Azarkon wrote:Good catch. There's a good chance that match was, indeed, rigged, not because PJ sucks, but because Savior had every reason to drop the game there. First, he was clearly the favorite. Second, it was WCG, so a lot of big betting was likely going on. Third, he was no longer bonjwa anyways so why not make the most of it? All of this added to the fact that he played relatively poorly in those games is enough to really raise suspicions.
During that time, Savior was still rank 1 or 2 in Kespa. Savior was a extreme favorite. Plus it's a zvp. And Savior dominated zvp during that time.Last edit: 2010-04-13 18:16:00 |
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| machinus United States. April 13 2010 18:26. Posts 148 | Profile # |
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 GTR April 13 2010 18:35. Posts 39107 | Profile Blog # |
On April 13 2010 18:15 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 16:33 Azarkon wrote:Good catch. There's a good chance that match was, indeed, rigged, not because PJ sucks, but because Savior had every reason to drop the game there. First, he was clearly the favorite. Second, it was WCG, so a lot of big betting was likely going on. Third, he was no longer bonjwa anyways so why not make the most of it? All of this added to the fact that he played relatively poorly in those games is enough to really raise suspicions.
During that time, Savior was still rank 1 or 2 in Kespa. Savior was a extreme favorite. Plus it's a zvp. And Savior dominated zvp during that time.
bookmakers wouldn't have betted on 'minor (to them at least)' events such as wcg grand finals.Last edit: 2010-04-13 18:47:15 |
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| theramstoss Canada. April 13 2010 18:37. Posts 242 | Profile # |
| Apparently Commentator Lim/Yim in Ongamenet apologized about it. Does anyone know what he said exactly? I saw this in dcinside. |
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| Maenander Germany. April 13 2010 18:46. Posts 3759 | Profile # |
On April 13 2010 16:33 Azarkon wrote:Good catch. There's a good chance that match was, indeed, rigged, not because PJ sucks, but because Savior had every reason to drop the game there. First, he was clearly the favorite. Second, it was WCG, so a lot of big betting was likely going on. Third, he was no longer bonjwa anyways so why not make the most of it? All of this added to the fact that he played relatively poorly in those games is enough to really raise suspicions. Now the game with Bisu when he lost bonjwa status, I'm not so sure. But it's also possible because Bisu wasn't a huge name then. Hell defeating Savior practically made Bisu's career, so there was definite incentive. This scandal completely taints everything about Savior except for, maybe, his initial rise to bonjwa status, but then again who knows? Korean SC gaming - it's just hard to view it the same way after this.
Not a good theory imo.
1. The schedule of WCG is extremely tight, noone knew that Savior would face PJ until a few hours before the match.
2. Savior was not in his usual setting, meaning he probably didn't have much contact to his usual "advisors".
3. The koreans aren't very excited for WCG, atleast not in recent years.
All of these points disfavour your theory that this game was rigged - I doubt it was worth rigging..
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| Jakalo Latvia. April 13 2010 18:50. Posts 2347 | Profile Blog # |
On April 13 2010 16:13 KinosJourney2 wrote:Basically now SC1 is doomed, theres no way in hell it can recover it seems Boxer NOOOOOOOO don't marry a old lady T_T
He obviously is incapable of making sane decisions due to sorrow over Bisu and Fantasy running underground poker tables. This marriage is not legit! No priest would ever consent to that
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| ZenDeX Philippines. April 13 2010 18:58. Posts 2830 | Profile Blog # | |
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| theramstoss Canada. April 13 2010 19:12. Posts 242 | Profile # |
yup.
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| iFU.pauline France. April 13 2010 19:15. Posts 499 | Profile # |
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| rolypoly Singapore. April 13 2010 19:22. Posts 20 | Profile # |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 13 2010 19:30. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
Please make a seperate thread for Boxers marriage. It's extremely offtopic.
(except now he's put it in the OP oh this is wierd)
Still no one confirmed 100%?
I've read some are confirmed by netizens but thats just bs.Last edit: 2010-04-13 19:39:05 |
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| Denotate Canada. April 13 2010 20:05. Posts 294 | Profile Blog # |
On April 13 2010 19:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Please make a seperate thread for Boxers marriage. It's extremely offtopic.
(except now he's put it in the OP oh this is wierd)
Still no one confirmed 100%?
I've read some are confirmed by netizens but thats just bs.
I saw a drunken webcam post the other night that was pretty convincing... So I would say confirmed! |
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| Acies Australia. April 13 2010 20:15. Posts 191 | Profile # |
She's an actress?
This means they will be subject to the laws of celeberty mariage lifespans. |
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| GTR April 13 2010 20:26. Posts 39107 | Profile Blog # |
CJ just released a statement. I'll post it here I guess.
+ Show Spoiler +CJ엔투스, “선수 관련 악성 루머에 강력 대응할 방침”
2010 년 04월 13일 18시 43분
[포모스 심현 기자]소문에 근거한 악성 루머 자제 요청
CJ엔투스 프로게임단이 스타크래프트 불법 베팅 사이트의 승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해 소속 프로게이머에 관한 악성 루머에 강력 대응하겠다는 방침을 밝혔다.
CJ엔투스 사무국 관계자는 포모스에 전화를 걸어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’이 공개된 직후 e스포츠 커뮤니티를 중심으로 CJ 엔투스 소속 마재윤 선수가 승부 조작과 관련됐다는 루머가 돌고 있다”고 말한 뒤 “현재 마재윤 선수는 무릎 치료를 위해 요양중인 것이 맞고, 팀 자체적으로도 방출이나 은퇴 등 개인 신상과 관련해 어떤 내용도 결정된 것이 없다”고 전했다.
이 관계자는 이어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해서는 검찰의 조사가 진행중인 것으로 알고 있고, 수사가 종결돼서 결과가 발표되기 전까지 섣부른 추측은 CJ엔투스 프로게임단과 선수 본인의 명예를 실추하는 것”이라며 “앞으로 이와 관련된 악성 루머가 계속 유포될 수 명예훼손을 비롯해 강력하게 대응할 방침”이라고 덧붙였다.
한편, 스타크래프트와 e스포츠 관련 커뮤니티에서는 이번 승부 조작 ‘추문’이 보도를 전후해 특정 선수의 실명을 거론하며 관련 여부를 추측하는 글들이 난무하고 있다. 하지만 이는 형법 제307조에 의할 경우 명예훼손에 해당되며, 진실일 경우에도 형법 제310조에 의해 진실한 사실로서 오로지 공공의 이익에 관한 때에만 처벌을 면할 수 있다. |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 13 2010 20:27. Posts 4988 | Profile # | |
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| Aus)MaCrO Australia. April 13 2010 20:32. Posts 349 | Profile Blog # |
It mentions "마재윤" (sAviOr) twice. Whatever that is worth...
Edit: Google Translate
Entuseu CJ, "The players respond strongly to the policy-related malicious rumors"
April 13, 2010 18:43
[Pomoseu simhyeon News] refrain from malicious rumors based on rumors request
CJ entuseu pro illegal betting site geimdan StarCraft match-fixing 'scandal' and the respect of professional gamers and writers belonging to the strongly stated policy response saying.
CJ entuseu Secretariat officials call the pomo seu "match-fixing 'scandal,' the public immediately after the sports community, focusing on e entuseu CJ Dept. sAviOr players involved with the match-fixing rumors are circulating," he said later, "You sAviOr players to care for the treatment of the knee being hit, the team itself, the release or retirement jeokeurodo with regard to any personally identifiable information, such as it is not decided yet, "he said.
The official ear "match-fixing 'scandal' in relation to the criminal investigation is in progress, understand, and the investigation concluded'm Results released until rash speculation CJ entuseu Pro geimdan and the players I the honor of destroying that," said " We continue to be circulated malicious rumors related to defamation, including policies to respond strongly, "he said.
Meanwhile, Starcraft and e-sports-related community, the match-fixing in the 'scandal' to the press stated, citing the blindness of certain players to guess whether the relevant writings abound. However, under the Penal Code Section 307 if override is defamatory, pursuant to Article 310 of Criminal Code be true even if the true facts concerning the public interest as the only escape is the only punishment.
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| Fish_Baguettes Australia. April 13 2010 20:36. Posts 531 | Profile # |
| Any translators available :O? |
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| Integra Sweden. April 13 2010 20:37. Posts 4927 | Profile Blog # |
| It says something like the absence of Savior is due to some injury in the knee and he is in treatment for it, regarding "someone" and the teams retirement they refuse to give any additional details. Last edit: 2010-04-13 20:40:58 |
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| majohanimo Germany. April 13 2010 20:39. Posts 19 | Profile # |
I bet this goes on in nearly every sport, where enough money is involved: It's just too easy.
Wanna bet against me?
Edit: Did you get the joke? Didya? I bet you did.
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| StRyKeR United States. April 13 2010 20:43. Posts 1613 | Profile Blog # |
On April 13 2010 20:26 GTR wrote:CJ just released a statement. I'll post it here I guess. + Show Spoiler +CJ엔투스, “선수 관련 악성 루머에 강력 대응할 방침”
2010 년 04월 13일 18시 43분
[포모스 심현 기자]소문에 근거한 악성 루머 자제 요청
CJ엔투스 프로게임단이 스타크래프트 불법 베팅 사이트의 승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해 소속 프로게이머에 관한 악성 루머에 강력 대응하겠다는 방침을 밝혔다.
CJ엔투스 사무국 관계자는 포모스에 전화를 걸어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’이 공개된 직후 e스포츠 커뮤니티를 중심으로 CJ 엔투스 소속 마재윤 선수가 승부 조작과 관련됐다는 루머가 돌고 있다”고 말한 뒤 “현재 마재윤 선수는 무릎 치료를 위해 요양중인 것이 맞고, 팀 자체적으로도 방출이나 은퇴 등 개인 신상과 관련해 어떤 내용도 결정된 것이 없다”고 전했다.
이 관계자는 이어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해서는 검찰의 조사가 진행중인 것으로 알고 있고, 수사가 종결돼서 결과가 발표되기 전까지 섣부른 추측은 CJ엔투스 프로게임단과 선수 본인의 명예를 실추하는 것”이라며 “앞으로 이와 관련된 악성 루머가 계속 유포될 수 명예훼손을 비롯해 강력하게 대응할 방침”이라고 덧붙였다.
한편, 스타크래프트와 e스포츠 관련 커뮤니티에서는 이번 승부 조작 ‘추문’이 보도를 전후해 특정 선수의 실명을 거론하며 관련 여부를 추측하는 글들이 난무하고 있다. 하지만 이는 형법 제307조에 의할 경우 명예훼손에 해당되며, 진실일 경우에도 형법 제310조에 의해 진실한 사실로서 오로지 공공의 이익에 관한 때에만 처벌을 면할 수 있다.
CJ Entus, "Plans to strongly respond to malicious accusations about players"
Asks people to restrain themselves from spreading rumors.
CJ Progaming team revealed that they will strongly respond to false accusations about their gamers accused of fixing games.
A CJ affiliate phoned Fomos to let them know about rumors flying around about Savior. They mentioned, "Savior indeed is going through knee surgery. There has been no talk among the team about retiring or displacing Savior."
The affiliate added that the investigation about match fixing is on-going and that no one should jump to conclusions that tarnish the reputation of any of the CJ players before anything is confirmed. "As long as these malicious rumors keep spreading to destroy players' reputations, we will strongly respond to them."
On the other hand, there have been many articles in the e-sports community about who has fixed matches. According to Code 307, these accusations fall under libel and can be punished under law. Even if the accusations are true, by Code 310, accusers can avoid penalties only if additionally, the accusations were made for the greater good.
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Basically, CJ Entus is standing by its players, at least until proven guilty. Also, we finally seem to get an answer to why suspects in Korea cannot be named -- newspapers do not want to be charged for libel in case the accusations are false or revealing names is not considered helpful to the "greater good".
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