According to couple of posts from DC, Savior was not involved in the scam, or at least for now.
As shown in the picture, first red box states:
"This picture is not related to/has nothing to do with the article below"
And officially, CJ Entus has spoken out.
They stated that this is just a rumor going around, and if this doesn't stop then they will start charging people of personal harassment. It is true that Savior's knee problem is bad at the moment and is resting, but rumors are just rumors.
ALSO: In Korea, even though person A has done something wrong, accusing him of something that has not been proven guilty falls under personal harassment. This doesn't clear Savior from involvement 100%, but with CJ Entus covering him up and the picture unrelated to the post, we can at least take a breath now.
naive fanboy? It's pretty obvious at least one player must have been a part of this and it seems like if it's anything that sure it is that Savior is part of it. And pretty obviously CJ want to cover it all up...
Oh so they just happened to demote him from captain to B team at just the moment the hammer was coming down on this? And Luxury, Sangho, and Upmagic all got mysteriously demoted also at about the same time?
On April 14 2010 05:04 PanzerDragoon wrote: Oh so they just happened to demote him from captain to B team at just the moment the hammer was coming down on this? And Luxury, Sangho, and Upmagic all got mysteriously demoted also at about the same time?
Boy, must be a coincidence.
Innocent until proven guilty. Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't. But you're not the prosecutor.
I don't think CJ could say anything else right now, either the Entus management has been involved and are now trying to cover their asses by covering Savior's or they just don't know anything and thus their opinion is as good as any media source.
Not that I would not be absolutely thrilled to see all the claims to be fake and Savior turn out to be clean after all. I'd be absolutely thrilled to see him being thrown in to jail as well though if he actually did what he is accused of.
On April 14 2010 05:04 PanzerDragoon wrote: Oh so they just happened to demote him from captain to B team at just the moment the hammer was coming down on this? And Luxury, Sangho, and Upmagic all got mysteriously demoted also at about the same time?
CJ엔투스, “선수 관련 악성 루머에 강력 대응할 방침” 2010 년 04월 13일 18시 43분
[포모스 심현 기자]소문에 근거한 악성 루머 자제 요청
CJ엔투스 프로게임단이 스타크래프트 불법 베팅 사이트의 승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해 소속 프로게이머에 관한 악성 루머에 강력 대응하겠다는 방침을 밝혔다.
CJ엔투스 사무국 관계자는 포모스에 전화를 걸어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’이 공개된 직후 e스포츠 커뮤니티를 중심으로 CJ 엔투스 소속 마재윤 선수가 승부 조작과 관련됐다는 루머가 돌고 있다”고 말한 뒤 “현재 마재윤 선수는 무릎 치료를 위해 요양중인 것이 맞고, 팀 자체적으로도 방출이나 은퇴 등 개인 신상과 관련해 어떤 내용도 결정된 것이 없다”고 전했다.
이 관계자는 이어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해서는 검찰의 조사가 진행중인 것으로 알고 있고, 수사가 종결돼서 결과가 발표되기 전까지 섣부른 추측은 CJ엔투스 프로게임단과 선수 본인의 명예를 실추하는 것”이라며 “앞으로 이와 관련된 악성 루머가 계속 유포될 수 명예훼손을 비롯해 강력하게 대응할 방침”이라고 덧붙였다.
한편, 스타크래프트와 e스포츠 관련 커뮤니티에서는 이번 승부 조작 ‘추문’이 보도를 전후해 특정 선수의 실명을 거론하며 관련 여부를 추측하는 글들이 난무하고 있다. 하지만 이는 형법 제307조에 의할 경우 명예훼손에 해당되며, 진실일 경우에도 형법 제310조에 의해 진실한 사실로서 오로지 공공의 이익에 관한 때에만 처벌을 면할 수 있다.
CJ Entus, "Plans to strongly respond to malicious accusations about players"
Asks people to restrain themselves from spreading rumors.
CJ Progaming team revealed that they will strongly respond to false accusations about their gamers accused of fixing games.
A CJ affiliate phoned Fomos to let them know about rumors flying around about Savior. They mentioned, "Savior indeed is going through knee surgery. There has been no talk among the team about retiring or displacing Savior."
The affiliate added that the investigation about match fixing is on-going and that no one should jump to conclusions that tarnish the reputation of any of the CJ players before anything is confirmed. "As long as these malicious rumors keep spreading to destroy players' reputations, we will strongly respond to them."
On the other hand, there have been many articles in the e-sports community about who has fixed matches. According to Code 307, these accusations fall under libel and can be punished under law. Even if the accusations are true, by Code 310, accusers can avoid penalties only if additionally, the accusations were made for the greater good.
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Basically, CJ Entus is standing by its players, at least until proven guilty. Also, we finally seem to get an answer to why suspects in Korea cannot be named -- newspapers do not want to be charged for libel in case the accusations are false or revealing names is not considered helpful to the "greater good".
THE PLOT THICKENS
AKA CJ Entus is continuing to lie and try to keep the bullshit knee surgery excuse alive
Whether that statement is true, partially true, or completely false, you have absolutely no credibility in determining that for us.
And you should take to heart the part about spreading rumors. Rumors don't help anyone.
Oh, so its just a happy coincidence that Savior, one of their most famous and well-liked players, was demoted from the CAPTAIN of the team to B-TEAM last March, right when they would be investigating such things, to have "knee surgery". You have multiple credible sites reporting this, you have Rekrul who was dead-on about this, you have other progamers like Sea basically admitting there is an investigation and saying "please look past the cheaters, look to the honorable players".
I know you don't want to believe this is true, but the fact is, these gambling sites exist, and there is a huge incentive for them to bribe and for players to take those bribes. Along with savior, look at the mysterious demotions of Upmagic, Sangho, and Luxury; all solid A teamers at the same time.
If you want to be naive enough to believe nothing happened, go ahead. I think its very clear at this point something incredibly fishy has happened, and Kespa and the proleague teams will try to sweep it under the rug. Hopefully this doesn't happen.
On April 14 2010 05:01 trucane wrote: naive fanboy? It's pretty obvious at least one player must have been a part of this and it seems like if it's anything that sure it is that Savior is part of it. And pretty obviously CJ want to cover it all up...
eh...i wouldn't call him a naive fanboy. He knows a lot more about whats going on in korea than a good lot of us. and still, the media isnt always truthful about everything, and savior may very well be innocent.
On April 14 2010 05:04 PanzerDragoon wrote: Oh so they just happened to demote him from captain to B team at just the moment the hammer was coming down on this? And Luxury, Sangho, and Upmagic all got mysteriously demoted also at about the same time?
Innocent until proven guilty. Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't. But you're not the prosecutor.
You're right, which means I can form an opinion based on the extreme likelihood of his guilt since I'm not legally bound, since I'm not a judge.
Do you really think the investigations would have got this far if the suspicions weren't heavily founded? Do you think Fomos and other respected media outlets would run the story? Do you think that other pro teams would comment on it if they didn't already know it to be true? Why would Kespa themselves sit down with gambling site reps to try and deal with the issue quietly, if it wasn't happening?
Face it. One of the heroes of this game was a money-grubbing fraud. Best to out the guys who were involved, banish them, and try to move on with a much better attempt to prevent this thing.
I know it sucks when stuff like this comes out. I was a huge Cubs fan and Sammy Sosa was huge in my childhood. When it became more clear he was a cheating assclown, I didn't really want to believe because he had never really had the formal evidence surrounding guys like Bonds, Clemens, etc. The truth was I was just being naive, and it was pretty obvious he was cheating.
At this point, you have to hope its just a couple guys, Savior, Luxury, Sangho, Upmagic, etc. If it goes deeper to that, to guys like Stork, or Bisu, or Jaedong...that would be terrible.
On April 14 2010 05:04 PanzerDragoon wrote: Oh so they just happened to demote him from captain to B team at just the moment the hammer was coming down on this? And Luxury, Sangho, and Upmagic all got mysteriously demoted also at about the same time?
CJ엔투스, “선수 관련 악성 루머에 강력 대응할 방침” 2010 년 04월 13일 18시 43분
[포모스 심현 기자]소문에 근거한 악성 루머 자제 요청
CJ엔투스 프로게임단이 스타크래프트 불법 베팅 사이트의 승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해 소속 프로게이머에 관한 악성 루머에 강력 대응하겠다는 방침을 밝혔다.
CJ엔투스 사무국 관계자는 포모스에 전화를 걸어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’이 공개된 직후 e스포츠 커뮤니티를 중심으로 CJ 엔투스 소속 마재윤 선수가 승부 조작과 관련됐다는 루머가 돌고 있다”고 말한 뒤 “현재 마재윤 선수는 무릎 치료를 위해 요양중인 것이 맞고, 팀 자체적으로도 방출이나 은퇴 등 개인 신상과 관련해 어떤 내용도 결정된 것이 없다”고 전했다.
이 관계자는 이어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해서는 검찰의 조사가 진행중인 것으로 알고 있고, 수사가 종결돼서 결과가 발표되기 전까지 섣부른 추측은 CJ엔투스 프로게임단과 선수 본인의 명예를 실추하는 것”이라며 “앞으로 이와 관련된 악성 루머가 계속 유포될 수 명예훼손을 비롯해 강력하게 대응할 방침”이라고 덧붙였다.
한편, 스타크래프트와 e스포츠 관련 커뮤니티에서는 이번 승부 조작 ‘추문’이 보도를 전후해 특정 선수의 실명을 거론하며 관련 여부를 추측하는 글들이 난무하고 있다. 하지만 이는 형법 제307조에 의할 경우 명예훼손에 해당되며, 진실일 경우에도 형법 제310조에 의해 진실한 사실로서 오로지 공공의 이익에 관한 때에만 처벌을 면할 수 있다.
CJ Entus, "Plans to strongly respond to malicious accusations about players"
Asks people to restrain themselves from spreading rumors.
CJ Progaming team revealed that they will strongly respond to false accusations about their gamers accused of fixing games.
A CJ affiliate phoned Fomos to let them know about rumors flying around about Savior. They mentioned, "Savior indeed is going through knee surgery. There has been no talk among the team about retiring or displacing Savior."
The affiliate added that the investigation about match fixing is on-going and that no one should jump to conclusions that tarnish the reputation of any of the CJ players before anything is confirmed. "As long as these malicious rumors keep spreading to destroy players' reputations, we will strongly respond to them."
On the other hand, there have been many articles in the e-sports community about who has fixed matches. According to Code 307, these accusations fall under libel and can be punished under law. Even if the accusations are true, by Code 310, accusers can avoid penalties only if additionally, the accusations were made for the greater good.
---
Basically, CJ Entus is standing by its players, at least until proven guilty. Also, we finally seem to get an answer to why suspects in Korea cannot be named -- newspapers do not want to be charged for libel in case the accusations are false or revealing names is not considered helpful to the "greater good".
THE PLOT THICKENS
AKA CJ Entus is continuing to lie and try to keep the bullshit knee surgery excuse alive
Whether that statement is true, partially true, or completely false, you have absolutely no credibility in determining that for us.
And you should take to heart the part about spreading rumors. Rumors don't help anyone.
Oh, so its just a happy coincidence that Savior, one of their most famous and well-liked players, was demoted from the CAPTAIN of the team to B-TEAM last March, right when they would be investigating such things, to have "knee surgery". You have multiple credible sites reporting this, you have Rekrul who was dead-on about this, you have other progamers like Sea basically admitting there is an investigation and saying "please look past the cheaters, look to the honorable players".
I know you don't want to believe this is true, but the fact is, these gambling sites exist, and there is a huge incentive for them to bribe and for players to take those bribes. Along with savior, look at the mysterious demotions of Upmagic, Sangho, and Luxury; all solid A teamers at the same time.
If you want to be naive enough to believe nothing happened, go ahead. I think its very clear at this point something incredibly fishy has happened, and Kespa and the proleague teams will try to sweep it under the rug. Hopefully this doesn't happen.
LOL
I'm confused; what's your point? Unless I'm missing something, his posts look consistent and not unreasonable...