Blizzard to cease negotiations with KeSPA

This is incredibly ignorant. Blizzard's move for a central server system is to protect it's investment (and, by proxy, YOUR investment), which also keeps the players/community unified.

There was a petition to stop Doom 3 from being released for being satanic, too. Petitions mean NOTHING.

Because keeping the players/community unified was clearly a goal... of splitting up the servers between regions with no ability to play between them.

Yea, pretty sure it's more likely LAN was removed for the purpose of screwing with KESPA and any other organization that might want to handle sc2 progaming like sc1 progaming is handled by KESPA.

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nimoraca Serbia. April 26 2010 21:37. Posts 84

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On April 26 2010 21:22 Vedic wrote:

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Protecting their investment means caring about the money. I never said its a bad thing, but people say its a bad thing when the KeSPA is involved.

Jibba United States. April 26 2010 21:50. Posts 20134

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On April 26 2010 20:56 nimoraca wrote:
Comments of type "KeSPA only cares about money..." are really funny. If Blizzard were really caring for us (the players), they would put LAN support in SC2, which they didn't, which just proves they only care about the money too.

Black and white arguments are the only kind of arguments that have merit.

There was even an online petition regarding the LAN issue.

Oh snap!

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nonduc Russian Federation. April 26 2010 22:10. Posts 405

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On April 26 2010 20:54 Waxangel wrote:
Actually the position of chair passed to SKT in early 2005, just before the very first proleague (http://www.e-sports.or.kr/about/history.kea?m_Code=about_40&hYear=2005). I don't see how listing dates is disproving my points that KeSPA changed greatly in role, power and goals from its early beginnings

You are right — in this point only (chair position passed to SKT representative in early 2005).

But plans for developing e-Sports in Korea were developed earlier — in December 15th 2004 was E-Sports Policy Talks (Presentation of Middle and Long Term Plans of e-Sports).

And since 2005 there were great actions from KeSPA too — the agreements with I-PARK Mall on construct an e-Sports Stadium or organization of the Minor League (Dream League)… I can’t see “that KeSPA changed greatly in role, power and goals from its early beginnings”, both early and later there was a couple of both good and bad actions and decisions.

P.S. Sorry for my catastrophical English.

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DIMAZIK Russian Federation. April 26 2010 22:36. Posts 1

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blizzzard is so stupid ...

k!llua Australia. April 26 2010 23:05. Posts 892

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Don't forget the piracy factor when you talk about Blizz's move to a central server system.

Back in '97 a lot of people still had 56k modems, and some didn't have Internet at all. Piracy wasn't such a kick in the guts back then. Remember that Blizzard are a PC/MAC ONLY developer, and there was no way they would release a game without some kind of centralisation/DRM. (And as it turns out, we have both ><")

my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid

nimoraca Serbia. April 26 2010 23:45. Posts 84

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On April 26 2010 23:05 k!llua wrote:
Don't forget the piracy factor when you talk about Blizz's move to a central server system.

Back in '97 a lot of people still had 56k modems, and some didn't have Internet at all. Piracy wasn't such a kick in the guts back then. Remember that Blizzard are a PC/MAC ONLY developer, and there was no way they would release a game without some kind of centralisation/DRM. (And as it turns out, we have both ><")

And, as can be seen from other games like Assassins Creed 2, pirates will still crack all the protection. I think all this "central server system" things are really connected to KeSPA

AyJay April 27 2010 00:05. Posts 1515

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Well after reading this thread a lot I think that KeSPA should go down.

I think it's just unfair to blizzard. They have been working on sc2 for ages compared to sc1, KeSPA shouldn't ask to use sc2 for same terms as sc1.

Kezzer United States. April 27 2010 00:13. Posts 1260

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Why is kespa making so much of a fuss paying for sc2? Its not like they get their other games for free(except sc1) the least they could do is pay up considering the success sc1 has brought them.

Jibba United States. April 27 2010 00:20. Posts 20134

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On April 27 2010 00:13 BDF92 wrote:
Why is kespa making so much of a fuss paying for sc2? Its not like they get their other games for free(except sc1) the least they could do is pay up considering the success sc1 has brought them.

Is that true? If so, it's a pretty damn important detail.

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inlagdsil Canada. April 27 2010 00:30. Posts 957

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On April 26 2010 22:36 DIMAZIK wrote:
blizzzard is so stupid ...

Welcome to TL!
But did you join the site just to say this? If you continue to post like this you probably won't last long.

EDIT: he didn't last long...

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LarJarsE United States. April 27 2010 01:28. Posts 1323

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Okay, blame the company that made the game that this site is entirely based around, and don't blame the shady foreign organization that has been caught doing illicit things that hurt blizzard's business. what are we, 5?

I support blizzard. They make the badass games and they show they are trying to make everyone happy. Blizzard doesn't need kespa to be successful (WoW is enough).

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jungsu United States. April 27 2010 01:52. Posts 270

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There's no way you can stop foreign countries from playing a cracked version of the game if they want to. Just make a game that everyone loves and can play and there will be no issues...

No LAN is going to be a huge problem. Many countries simply don't have fast enough networks to host tournaments with Blizzard's "always connected" philosophy.

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Pezsmapatkany Hungary. April 27 2010 01:59. Posts 14

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i wonder, what would ppl say who want blizzard to win, if microsoft say that all games that run in their product (windows) and uses their product (directx) must pay money for them. will they say: oh yeah, ms made those stuff, he should get his money from that, or they would react other way?

ms dont need blizzard to be succesfull, blizzard need ms, gogo microsoft...

LunarC United States. April 27 2010 02:02. Posts 1128

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Nobody that posts in this thread will have a shred of influence on what is going to happen between KeSPA and Blizzard. This conflict is out of our hands and fruitless finger-pointing/judging-based-on-limited-information is going to get everything nowhere. It's only going to result in enormous posts of argument/counterargument and a lot of stubborn, uncompromising position-touting rather than actual argument with actual consensus as the objective.

I, for one, care about the GAME and the PLAYERS. Their sponsors' messes are something I don't want to concern myself with unless they clearly and surely jeopardize the two things that actually matter to me.

Just go back and play your Starcraft. Leave KeSPA and Blizzard to untangle their mess.

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Captain United States. April 27 2010 02:04. Posts 204

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Good. Maybe now we'll have an eSports management that buys surge protectors.

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Gnaix United States. April 27 2010 02:06. Posts 365

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Blizzard's going to make it on the power ranks!!!

one thing that sc2 has over bw is the fact that I can actually manage my hotkeys

Fumi April 27 2010 02:12. Posts 529

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On April 27 2010 01:28 larjarse wrote:
Okay, blame the company that made the game that this site is entirely based around, and don't blame the shady foreign organization that has been caught doing illicit things that hurt blizzard's business. what are we, 5?

I support blizzard. They make the badass games and they show they are trying to make everyone happy. Blizzard doesn't need kespa to be successful (WoW is enough).

Blizzard is doing the right thing to make sure the game is a commercial success, but they're going the wrong way to make it a successful e-sport. The game is good, the players are happy with the game itself (mostly), but the e-sports scene isn't.

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QibingZero April 27 2010 02:18. Posts 2560

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Last time I checked, TL was based on the Korean pro scene by far more than anything else. This is a site dedicated to competitive BW - it's not some random Blizzard fansite with single player information, wallpapers, and news posts that gush over the most vague of blue posts on official forums. Despite many people's hatred/distrust for KeSPA, the community still recognizes that the Korean scene is what made BW the amazing game it is today - in Blizzard's absence.

SC2 must be blurring the lines for some people, or something.

Oh, my eSports

Romanian from Romania. April 27 2010 02:27. Posts 89

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On April 27 2010 01:59 Pezsmapatkany wrote:
i wonder, what would ppl say who want blizzard to win, if microsoft say that all games that run in their product (windows) and uses their product (directx) must pay money for them. will they say: oh yeah, ms made those stuff, he should get his money from that, or they would react other way?

ms dont need blizzard to be succesfull, blizzard need ms, gogo microsoft...

no ur wrong. Starcraft is not made from microsoft, its made from blizzard.