 p4NDemik United States. April 25 2010 14:10. Posts 13823 | Profile Blog # |
Blizzard may have the intellectual rights to the game but KeSPA has the money and the government in Korea backing them. Ultimately those are the two most important things, and without them SC2 will be severely stunted without some kind of KeSPA/Blizzard agreement.
I understand the reasoning behind Blizzard's decision but ultimately they do need KeSPA if they're going to build a successful scene in Korea. This is a big blow to the scene developing in Korea, but nowhere near fatal. Even though the release of the WoL is growing nearer this game will still be in development for years, leaving plenty of time for renewed negotiations. Eventually Blizzard will have to play ball here, no matter how unfair that game will be in KeSPA's favor. |
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| NuKedUFirst Canada. April 25 2010 14:11. Posts 3138 | Profile Blog # |
As far as im concerned, if blizzard goes into Korea (sounds like a country invading) for the first little bit the pro scene will suffer but most likely recover.
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On April 25 2010 13:45 years wrote:
Bringing down BW to make a point would be pretty stupid.
They are barely making money off of Sc:Bw now, their main goal is Starcraft II's success as an E-sport. Its no skin off blizzards back to bring down Sc:Bw atleast for the time being. KeSPA is making money of off other people's work although KeSPA brought korean e-sports together. Starcraft II getting a Adult rating in Korea is obviously to do with KeSPA trying to get Sc:Bw around so they can continue making money.Last edit: 2010-04-25 14:14:35 |
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 Waxangel United States. April 25 2010 14:16. Posts 18973 | Profile Blog # |
| anyone who says KeSPA has the goverment's support, please substantiate that statement. |
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| Fraidnot United States. April 25 2010 14:22. Posts 801 | Profile Blog # |
| So if not KeSPA, who? Are we talking OGN, MBC, GOM? Hoping this will be an improvement and not the end of SC as we know it. |
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 Milkis April 25 2010 14:22. Posts 4776 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not quite certain what the IP issue is all about -- but I sure hope Blizzard isn't whining about not making money off e-sports or something because that's pretty blatantly false and it's 100% their fault.
Excuse my ignorance but what does the issue exactly entail? Using Starcraft related images in advertisement? Or having Starcraft BW be so involved in such a huge competitive gaming scene? I honestly don't see a good reason Blizzard would have to make such a claim. |
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| n.DieJokes United States. April 25 2010 14:26. Posts 3263 | Profile Blog # |
| Can someone elaborate the specifics of what either party actually want from one another? In what capacity does Blizzard want KeSPA to respect their intellectual property? What is this thing about IP's and why does it matter? |
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| FragKrag United States. April 25 2010 14:26. Posts 11068 | Profile Blog # |
does KeSPA not realize that their foundation could be stripped from under their feet?
What the fuck is wrong with them?
Anyways I think ESports will continue fine without KeSPA... |
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| years Costa Rica. April 25 2010 14:32. Posts 216 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2010 14:16 Waxangel wrote:
anyone who says KeSPA has the goverment's support, please substantiate that statement.
As far as I understand KeSPA is recognized and regulated by the Ministry of Culture, thus supported by a goverment institution. I don't know to what extent this support empowers KeSPA, but the fact alone that it is treated like an official representative of the Ministry of Culture gives it more leverage against Blizzard, specially if Korea is sensitive on subjects which can be interpreted through the patriotic or nationalist eyelens.
It would be interesting to know more about the relationship between KeSPA and the Ministry, and how its viewed by larger government entities, presuming its even treated like something of importance.
On April 25 2010 14:11 NuKedUFirst wrote:Edit:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 13:45 years wrote:
Bringing down BW to make a point would be pretty stupid.
They are barely making money off of Sc:Bw now, their main goal is Starcraft II's success as an E-sport. Its no skin off blizzards back to bring down Sc:Bw atleast for the time being. KeSPA is making money of off other people's work although KeSPA brought korean e-sports together. Starcraft II getting a Adult rating in Korea is obviously to do with KeSPA trying to get Sc:Bw around so they can continue making money.
I say its a dumb move because, bringing down BW, would probably deteriorate the image Blizzard has amongst e-sport fans in Korea. This is mere speculation though. |
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| Waxangel United States. April 25 2010 14:33. Posts 18973 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2010 14:26 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone elaborate the specifics of what either party actually want from one another? In what capacity does Blizzard want KeSPA to respect their intellectual property? What is this thing about IP's and why does it matter?
I think they want an agreement that they will pay them royalties in the future. |
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| iFU.pauline France. April 25 2010 14:35. Posts 492 | Profile # |
I don't really have that much faith in all these progaming dream outside of Korea. I mean there isn't enough gamers out there. Mainstream media in Europe don't give a damn about that, please don't tell me I'm wrong. When are you gonna see a national tv put on some progaming match? When you have Orange or Vodaphone as a sponsor, and who's gonna watch it? 15-25 male kids? Lol you think in a time of recession they would invest on something like that? So far nobody could make a living by just playing in Europe, I would advice the next generation to spend more time studying.
Blizzard can't do shit except making big cash prize tournament. I mean it's not like Korea, you're not gonna date or fuck chicks playing 15 hours a day.Last edit: 2010-04-25 14:36:28 |
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| Spazer Canada. April 25 2010 14:36. Posts 5475 | Profile Blog # |
| Totally misread that. Last edit: 2010-04-25 14:36:58 |
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| teamsolid Canada. April 25 2010 14:36. Posts 3618 | Profile # |
| I don't think they can touch BW, because didn't Blizzard sell off broadcasting rights for SC a couple years ago. But for SC2, KeSPA is fucked. Hopefully a different organization steps up. |
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| moopie April 25 2010 14:36. Posts 12497 | Profile # |
| Well, on the plus side, SC1 will stick around for a long while. |
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| Jaester88 United States. April 25 2010 14:39. Posts 143 | Profile # |
Also, another thing: do we have any kind of knowledge to the content of the negotiations at all? Is there any kind of evidence at all that KeSPA is the one being difficult in the negotiations? Maybe it's Blizzard that's being preposterously unreasonable?
If there have been previous threads/articles that have shown that KeSPA was the one being unreasonable in negotiations, it would be much appreciated if someone could link the thread/article for me. Thanks. |
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 Megalisk United States. April 25 2010 14:39. Posts 6095 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2010 12:54 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
This is PERFECT for a fairly casual player such as myself who doesn't give two shits about the pro scene in Korea. Kespa acted unreasonably and Blizzard responded in the way they should have - by pulling out completely.
We'll end up with more English language tournaments and commentating. Sounds great to me.
And substandard play... |
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| .risingdragoon United States. April 25 2010 14:40. Posts 3021 | Profile # |
People still think kespa's some governing body like the fed or something, and that proteams can operate without them.
Kespa is SKT1, it's Samsung, it's OGN/MBC, it's made up of all these big corps that have sponsored and financed esports all these years and made it possible while Blizzard sold 3+ million copies of SC in S.K. That's why they feel they can't budge. If someone took the paper that you made and did wonderful things with it, wouldn't they lay claim to the creation?
Without these big corporate money and with just Blizz itself funding it SC2 scene would just be pitiful. It'd definitely roll back esports to small lan party tournies unless kespa can find another game for pros to play, or negotiate something that works for both sides.
I'm interested in the terms proposed by Blizzard, and Kespa's counter. But I guess that'd take a long time...
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| iFU.pauline France. April 25 2010 14:41. Posts 492 | Profile # |
On April 25 2010 14:39 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 12:54 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
This is PERFECT for a fairly casual player such as myself who doesn't give two shits about the pro scene in Korea. Kespa acted unreasonably and Blizzard responded in the way they should have - by pulling out completely.
We'll end up with more English language tournaments and commentating. Sounds great to me.
And substandard play...
Bah we all know sc2 is the rts of the noob. no question about that. |
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| Go0g3n Russian Federation. April 25 2010 14:41. Posts 371 | Profile Blog # |
Blizzard is really in a big bind with StarCraft II in Korea. With 18+ rating StarCraft II cannot be broadcast on television in prime time or any time slot other than late night, meaning that there will be 0 money in it for TV broadcasters, even if they partner with GOM or other b-company. Plus the 18+ will affect the sales to an extent.
Because the game is not recognized by Kespa, progamers, as owners of the license will be forbidden to play televised (if there will be any) matches, and there in fact will be no StarCraft 2 progamers at all in Korea.
As for governmental support, a year or so back Blizzard appealed to Korean Ministry of Culture (not sure about exact name) after their first negotiations with Kespa and MBC/OGN failed, but they were sent back to deal with Kespa and threatened to set a 18+ mature rating for the game. Almost the same thing happened with China, only they gave the same rating 6 months earlier. |
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| Gliche United States. April 25 2010 14:42. Posts 806 | Profile Blog # |
KeSPA was surely the main catalyst for BW's success, but I see absolutely no reason why KeSPA is needed for SC2. The pro scene for SC2 is not something that will magically appear. It does not automatically ship with the game. It will have to be grown from the ground up over years just like the starting days of BW. I see no reason why other sponsors or organizations cannot step in to take KeSPA's spot.
And this is just talking about Korea. This says nothing about SC2 for the rest of the world, and if the recent tournaments and support for BW worldwide are any indication, KeSPA controls a very small piece of the potential pie. |
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T.O.P.  Hong Kong. April 25 2010 14:42. Posts 4443 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2010 14:16 Waxangel wrote:
anyone who says KeSPA has the goverment's support, please substantiate that statement.
Because KeSPA is made up of big companies and big companies have a lot of influence in the Korean Government. |
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