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| Lazerbeems May 16 2010 12:59. Posts 151 | Profile # |
On May 16 2010 12:51 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 12:44 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:41 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:38 Tanatos wrote:
So was 3.3 revolution FAKE???????? All set up by Mr. Ma????
I doubt it was fake because it allowed every single protoss to whip zergs around for the first time in Starcraft history but I reckon the reason Savior got crushed so bad (he played astoundingly badly) by Bisu was due to him throwing the finals series for cash.
why do people keep saying this, the supposed fixing happened WAY after
On May 16 2010 12:24 konadora wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:20 ejac wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:13 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any idea on which games savior dropped on purpose?
It'll be shocking if bisu 3-0ed him cause he let him t.t
Unlikey, while everyone has their price, i don't see savior (or anyone) intensionally loosing a final unless they were paid a lot of money, and supposedly most of the payoffs were 5kish. Also, bisu was a dominant player for a long time after savior, making it unlikely that it was a fluke.
the speculated winning rate for savior was insanely high though, making it rather likely for him to drop that game.
why does it matter what the odds were when there was no fixing going on back then according to the articles?
I'm pretty damn certain they've match fixed for longer just its easier for them to track down people from more recent cases. These gambling websites open and close like every week so it wouldn't be particularly easy to find results from years before.
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 MrHoon  May 16 2010 13:00. Posts 8572 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2010 12:54 wnsah890897 wrote:here is when they did the gambling ![[image loading]](http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/data/free2/1273980383/1.jpg) + Show Spoiler +
1번 비읍씨
09년 9월 20일
-프로리그 챔피언십-
<덧붙임, 이날 스타크래프트 경기가 있었습니다. 문제되는게 박찬수vs이재호의 경기입니다.>
4강 2회차
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2세트 박찬수 vs 이재호 단장의 능선
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in korean i will translate as soon as possible
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| GTR May 16 2010 13:00. Posts 39107 | Profile Blog # |
| anyone got youtube's of reports from korean news channels? |
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| GenesisX Canada. May 16 2010 13:00. Posts 3981 | Profile Blog # |
Now I don't even want to watch proleague anymore  |
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| hypercube Hungary. May 16 2010 13:01. Posts 1930 | Profile # |
On May 16 2010 12:53 MetalMarine wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 12:51 hypercube wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:47 Zozma wrote:
Don't look too badly on these progamers. It's only human, really- Progamers are basically poor artists who live in bad conditions and give up their free time and personal lives to become better at Starcraft. And not everyone can pull down a big contract like Flash- Most progamers probably wind up retiring unknown and wishing they had gone to college.
The progamers aren't to blame here- the system is. It's ridiculous to ask anyone to work that hard for that little compensation.
That's true for someone like DarkElf or Justin but not Savior. He was set for life even if he spent all the money he won at his prime.
SET FOR LIFE??? hahaha...
Didn't Savior still have the highest salary at CJ? And he probably made more in endorsement deals than almost anyone. He could have definitely continued as a coach if he no longer wanted to play. Maybe set for life is an exaggeration but as long as esports is alive he would have been comfortable. |
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| infinity2k9 United Kingdom. May 16 2010 13:01. Posts 2398 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2010 12:59 Lazerbeems wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 12:51 infinity2k9 wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:44 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:41 Lazerbeems wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:38 Tanatos wrote:
So was 3.3 revolution FAKE???????? All set up by Mr. Ma????
I doubt it was fake because it allowed every single protoss to whip zergs around for the first time in Starcraft history but I reckon the reason Savior got crushed so bad (he played astoundingly badly) by Bisu was due to him throwing the finals series for cash.
why do people keep saying this, the supposed fixing happened WAY after
On May 16 2010 12:24 konadora wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:20 ejac wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:13 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any idea on which games savior dropped on purpose?
It'll be shocking if bisu 3-0ed him cause he let him t.t
Unlikey, while everyone has their price, i don't see savior (or anyone) intensionally loosing a final unless they were paid a lot of money, and supposedly most of the payoffs were 5kish. Also, bisu was a dominant player for a long time after savior, making it unlikely that it was a fluke.
the speculated winning rate for savior was insanely high though, making it rather likely for him to drop that game.
why does it matter what the odds were when there was no fixing going on back then according to the articles?
I'm pretty damn certain they've match fixed for longer just its easier for them to track down people from more recent cases. These gambling websites open and close like every week so it wouldn't be particularly easy to find results from years before.
how can you be 'pretty damn certain' based on no evidence at all? upsets happen all the time it wasnt THAT much of a surprise that Bisu won.
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| writer22816 China. May 16 2010 13:02. Posts 4772 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2010 12:55 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 12:19 writer22816 wrote:
To all of you who are calling these progamers pieces of shit, etc:
Most of you would have probably done the same thing given a choice.
Not saying what these people did was justified but I'm not going to come down too hard on them.
yeah because most progamers are involved in this scandal, right? I mean it's not like it's only a select group that stooped to this, right?? Like, there's not a list of only 8 or so guys that chose to fix games in the OP of this thread is there?
What gives you the assumption that every progamer was bribed to throw games? |
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| King K. Rool Canada. May 16 2010 13:03. Posts 4054 | Profile Blog # |
savior
The memories still remain. |
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| w_3 Twister United States. May 16 2010 13:04. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| awesome sauce. not really surprised, just interested in the other names ;0 |
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| n.DieJokes United States. May 16 2010 13:04. Posts 3272 | Profile Blog # | |
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| LetMeShine May 16 2010 13:04. Posts 979 | Profile Blog # |
On  MaY 16 2010 13:01 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +On MaY 16 2010 12:59 Lazerbeems wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:51 infinity2k9 wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:44 Lazerbeems wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:41 Lazerbeems wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:38 Tanatos wrote:So was 3.3 revolution FAKE???????? All set up by Mr. Ma????
I doubt it was fake because it allowed every single protoss to whip zergs around for the  First time in Starcraft  HistOry but I reckon the ReasoN sAviOr got crushed so bad (he played astoundingly badly) by Bisu was due to him throwing the finals series for cash.
why do people keep saying this, the supposed fixing happened WAY after
On MaY 16 2010 12:24 konadora wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:20 ejac wrote:
On MaY 16 2010 12:13 GoTuNk! wrote:Any idea on which games sAviOr dropped on purpose? It'll be shocking if Bisu 3-0ed him cause he let him t.t
Unlikey, while everyone has their price, i don't see sAviOr (or anyone) intensionally loosing a final unless they were paid a lot of Money, and supposedly most of the payoffs were 5kish. Also, Bisu was a dominant player for a long time after sAviOr, making it unlikely that it was a fluke.
the speculated winning rate for sAviOr was insanely high though, making it rather likely for him to drop that Game.
why does it matter what the odds were when there was no fixing going on back then according to the articles?
I'm pretty damn certain they've match fixed for longer Just its easier for them to track down people from more recent cases. These gambling websites open and close like every week so it wouldn't be particularly easy to find results from years before.
how can you be 'pretty damn certain' based on no evidence at all? upsets happen all the time it wasnt THAT much of a surprise that Bisu won.
Are you joking. Bisu humiliating sAviOr the destroyer of all protoss in less than an hour was upset of the century. |
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| Vivi57 United States. May 16 2010 13:06. Posts 6440 | Profile Blog # |
| Honestly, the most disappointing thing is how *little* money they got from rigging games. |
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 Manifesto7 Osaka. May 16 2010 13:09. Posts 24981 | Profile Blog # |
| Goddamnit. Just... goddamnit. |
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| konadora Singapore. May 16 2010 13:15. Posts 44546 | Profile Blog # |
lol that image, first name is ㅂx x
on that day, it was Ultimate Proleague, Luxury lost to Light.
Yep, Luxury's confirmed. |
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| ocoini May 16 2010 13:16. Posts 620 | Profile Blog # |
Hehe, my two favorite programers are actually implicated ;D Hwasin and Saviour, they just keep bringing it ! =)
Cool name.. Mr.Ma ! Mister mom! |
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| domane Canada. May 16 2010 13:17. Posts 1395 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2010 11:23 konadora wrote:In December of 2009, Mr. Ma is said to have cooperated with the broker Mr. Jung to pay progamer Mr. Jin to lose a match, and continued to bribe Mr. Jin and two other progamers. Hwasin: One of the two Mr. Jin's in progaming, alongside Movie. But Hwasin's erratic performances alongside his lack of proleague appearances as of late have made him the prime suspect. Movie/ Hwasin (More likely Hwasin)
On May 16 2010 10:59 supernovamaniac wrote:
People are assuming that it's Hwasin. Well, there are only really two people from what I know: Hwasin and Movie.
On May 16 2010 11:09 Fenrax wrote:Hwasin
On May 16 2010 11:42 On_Slaught wrote:Hwasin? Oh god .
On May 16 2010 11:43 tree.hugger wrote:
neither Hwasin or Movie have played in a while, but Movie has played a week more recently. Odds on the red sniper, I guess.
On May 16 2010 11:53 konadora wrote:
Don't think Movie's involved, it's leaning more towards Hwasin. (They share the same family name)
On May 16 2010 12:06 konadora wrote:
sAviOr and Justin are 99% confirmed, Hwasin and go.go around 70%?
On May 16 2010 12:07 HazMat wrote:
Wtf Movie? Better be Hwasin or I'm going to cry.
On May 16 2010 12:24 Xinliben wrote:
Looks like the Red Sniper....
Got Sniped.
;_; i liked you. I doubt it is movie.
On May 16 2010 13:16 ocoini wrote:
Hehe, my two favorite programers are actually implicated ;D Hwasin and Saviour, they just keep bringing it ! =)
Hwasin, I believe in you~~~~~
It has to be Movie. It has to be Jin Young Hwa.
EDIT:
Mr. Ma's salary is 70,000,000 won.
Well, the Red Sniper gets paid way more.
It is a whopping 100,000,000 won ($88,417 US and 43% higher than Mr. Ma).
I do not believe that the Red Sniper would do such things for more money.Last edit: 2010-05-16 14:25:19 |
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 TacticalPanda United States. May 16 2010 13:20. Posts 37 | Profile Blog # |
Looks like savoir did destroy everyone.
Only it was our hopes and dreams that he destroyed. ='[ |
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| GTR May 16 2010 13:22. Posts 39107 | Profile Blog # |
On May 16 2010 13:15 konadora wrote:
lol that image, first name is ㅂx x
on that day, it was Ultimate Proleague, Luxury lost to Light.
Yep, Luxury's confirmed.
2nd ㅂxx 09/09/25 PL Team Evaluation - Yellow[ArnC]
3rd ㄱxx 09/11/22 Proleague - go.go (Out of all the ㄱ's to play on that day, go.go was the only one who lost out of the four)
4th ㅈxx 09/12/11 Starleague - Hwasin (Loss vs Yarnc)
5th ㅁxx (Obviously Savior)
6th ㅅxx 09/08/?? (Maybe Upmagic?)Last edit: 2010-05-16 13:27:41 |
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