| ILIVEFORAIUR United States. May 20 2010 01:54. Posts 173 | Profile # |
Looking for a good unit to construct my build around vs mass hydra as Terran. Is the thor considered the strongest unit against hydras, even after the nerf? Or should I just stick to tanks and upgraded marines and medivac?
Any help would be greatly appreciated 
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| Viruuus Germany. May 20 2010 01:57. Posts 416 | Profile # |
tanks with marauders/marines to block are very much the counter vs hydras
Thors can block too but are too expensive to do that on their own in general |
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| Shiladie Canada. May 20 2010 01:58. Posts 1618 | Profile Blog # |
tanks, period
you will need some fodder to cover for them, but tanks will rip any hydra arms to shreds. |
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| Maggeus France. May 20 2010 02:05. Posts 275 | Profile # |
Abuse this strategy for now :
Hellions to block the way if speedling dare to come.
Tanks to annihilate any zerg ground army, since roaches can't be mass anymore, it's now totally viable. It's maybe even too strong.
Thors if you scout a spire.
Use your first barrack to obtaint view on the zerg, and push with hellions/tanks.
Properly used, you'll win many TvZ. |
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| etJUSTICE Sweden. May 20 2010 02:09. Posts 30 | Profile # |
| Siege tanks with marine support works great if your opponent masses hydras, and 2-4 thors is great to have in your army composition they shoot down hydras soo fast after the splash damage from sieged tanks. And hellions works great too instead of marines, but you'll have a harder time to deal with mutalisks if the zerg decide to go for that |
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| ILIVEFORAIUR United States. May 20 2010 02:10. Posts 173 | Profile # |
On May 20 2010 02:05 Maggeus wrote:
Abuse this strategy for now :
Hellions to block the way if speedling dare to come.
Tanks to annihilate any zerg ground army, since roaches can't be mass anymore, it's now totally viable. It's maybe even too strong.
Thors if you scout a spire.
Use your first barrack to obtaint view on the zerg, and push with hellions/tanks.
Properly used, you'll win many TvZ.
So completely disregard any bio build? I've heard mass marauders are very strong. |
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| Owarida United States. May 20 2010 02:13. Posts 332 | Profile # |
Mass hydra falls to 1 part seige 3 part rauder. If you want a really balanced comp you can add a few rines, medi, and vikings and a thor or two to counter muta or BL if they come.
I really disagree with mass tank builds like I have seen some go. You only need a few tanks to really take down a mass hydra army, and if you commit to heavy to tanks air will just swoop in and crush you. Also with no ravens and only tanks you are susceptible to tunneling claw roach. Even with nurf with roach is still viable against mass tank, esp with tunneling.
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| BigDates Canada. May 20 2010 02:17. Posts 432 | Profile # |
| Hellion with preigniter + tank + thor is the best way (thor to counter possible mutas), Tanks are just TOO powerful against zerg ATM, and Hellions are great against hydra's lightness. |
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| baconbits United States. May 20 2010 02:23. Posts 419 | Profile # |
| Tanks annihilate hydra, Hellion or MM clean up the remainders easily. |
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| shiftY803 May 20 2010 02:26. Posts 176 | Profile # |
| TLO has a new build that Day[9] spoke at length about in which he goes fast marines/hellion harass, into thor, followed by expansion, followed by tank/hellion/marine/thor push. That is pretty much GG against anything the zerg can do when executed properly. Neither Day[9] nor Dimaga seem to have a way to beat it yet. Can't speak for the asian zergs though. Last edit: 2010-05-20 02:27:34 |
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| MadRhetoric United States. May 20 2010 03:04. Posts 8 | Profile # |
On May 20 2010 02:13 Owarida wrote:
Mass hydra falls to 1 part seige 3 part rauder. If you want a really balanced comp you can add a few rines, medi, and vikings and a thor or two to counter muta or BL if they come.
I really disagree with mass tank builds like I have seen some go. You only need a few tanks to really take down a mass hydra army, and if you commit to heavy to tanks air will just swoop in and crush you. Also with no ravens and only tanks you are susceptible to tunneling claw roach. Even with nurf with roach is still viable against mass tank, esp with tunneling.
I totally agree with this. I've been struggling with zerg lately, I play terran obviously, and I think I was pumping out too many tanks. I changed my strategy up and just won one of the best games I've played. I went 2 rax, first making marines nonstop from production and second making rauders. Then I got 1 factory and starting pumping siege tanks. When I had 2 tanks with a 3rd on the way, I scouted my opponent with a single marine. I saw my chance and laid out my bio units with 2 sieged tanks just being able to hit their ramp. I baited some of their units and when he saw what I had, I just held the ramp until reinforcements came. During this time, I got up a starport so that I could have some viking backup if mutas showed up. Once I had about 5 tanks outside his base, it was just a matter of leap frogging straight in. When he brought out his hydras/lings/etc, the tanks destroyed everything behind a small all of bio units.
So the short version. A nice mix of marine/rauders with a handful of siege tanks seems to be optimal. I don't see many people leap frog their siege tanks and I'm not sure why. It may be a little cautious for some people, but against the zerg you cannot lose any time siegeing up before battle. |
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| TekKpriest May 20 2010 03:09. Posts 307 | Profile # |
On May 20 2010 02:26 shiftY803 wrote:
TLO has a new build that Day[9] spoke at length about in which he goes fast marines/hellion harass, into thor, followed by expansion, followed by tank/hellion/marine/thor push. That is pretty much GG against anything the zerg can do when executed properly. Neither Day[9] nor Dimaga seem to have a way to beat it yet. Can't speak for the asian zergs though.
The build can be countered by a defensive playing Zerg, especially on cross position. |
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| zealing Canada. May 20 2010 03:10. Posts 806 | Profile Blog # |
turtle terran can win vs mass hydra, get a fac up and pump seige tanks non-stop with a standard marauder force, mass hydras own ppl cause noobs will just attack head on into the army which is just suicide, 5well placed/deffened seige tanks with your average army will stop any mass zerg ground unit army, cept maybe ultras
just dont be geedy or too agressive.
or just try and end it before lair tech kicks in. |
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 cartoon]x United States. May 20 2010 03:13. Posts 606 | Profile # |
| There's not as much reason to go marauder considering roaches suck so bad. Watch the recent Day9 Daily on thelittleone's TvZ. I would still get a few for the slowing ability. Vs. Banelings I still think marauders are needed though. Last edit: 2010-05-20 03:13:48 |
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| stickman.hqt United States. May 20 2010 04:22. Posts 47 | Profile # |
To reiterate what everyone is already saying, siege tanks destroy hydras. You need something to soak up bane/zling. Depending on what you scout you can hellion for zling and marauder for baneling and since the gas cost is so much more significant to mass hydras odds are they will have zerglings with their hydra and maybe a few banes.
Just be sure to keep active scouting for mutas, because a late thor could really drag the game out and prevent your push after you got some tanks. Armory should be standard to up your siege damage and helion damage anyways though. |
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| Spidermonkey United States. May 20 2010 05:02. Posts 251 | Profile # |
I got Tanks plus MM to absorb the damage. It's a waste of factory time to build hellions and they have less HP than Rauders.
I also like to toss in some Vikes to OL hunt/harass. |
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| dustdust Germany. May 20 2010 05:10. Posts 76 | Profile # |
I find Thor/Hellion very good vs mass Hydra, because Thors shoot very fast now and they oneshot a Hydra which has been hit by an Igniter upgraded Hellion once!
Just amove with your Thor/Hellion Army into Hydras and it is already extremely cost effective.
edit: another fun fact:
Thors 2 shot Roaches with +1, if Roach has been hit by a Hellion once.Last edit: 2010-05-20 05:12:57 |
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| baconbits United States. May 20 2010 05:25. Posts 419 | Profile # |
On May 20 2010 05:10 dustdust wrote:
I find Thor/Hellion very good vs mass Hydra, because Thors shoot very fast now and they oneshot a Hydra which has been hit by an Igniter upgraded Hellion once!
Just amove with your Thor/Hellion Army into Hydras and it is already extremely cost effective.
edit: another fun fact:
Thors 2 shot Roaches with +1, if Roach has been hit by a Hellion once.
Thors don't 1-shot hydras anymore, but their rate of fire went up. All in all, they actually do worse vs hydra now though and better vs lings.
They used to do 45x2, 1 shotting hydra. Now do 30x2 but fire 33% faster.
And same case for roach. They 3 shot roach since that patch, not 2 shot.Last edit: 2010-05-20 05:26:11 |
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| Korpze United States. May 20 2010 05:43. Posts 26 | Profile # |
| Tanks + MM + Thor/Hellion = win. |
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| FroHawK United States. May 20 2010 05:50. Posts 4 | Profile # |
| Standard Thors, Hellion, Marauders and throw some Ravens in there with Point Defense Drone. Mass Hydras wont stand a chance with the drone shooting all their attacks down. |
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