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Progamer Ma: "I've never suggested match fixing"

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  Milkis   June 04 2010 15:40. Posts 4777Profile Blog # 
I read a few stories recently told around Korean communities about how Savior claims that he has never participated in or suggested match fixing. The story went about how Savior claimed he never participated in match fixing himself, because when he was approached by a broker, he thought about it, discussed it with another player, and the player went ahead and fixed matches. I thought they were delusional tales, but, here's some official statements from the courts.

Progamer Ma: "I've never suggested or coerced match fixing"

Progamer Ma, who has been connected with the Starcraft matchfixing scandal has denied a part of the charges.

Investigators in Seoul began the first trial on the 4th, 11 AM, regarding Starcraft matchfixing.

Ma, after investigators released their reports, in his defense, claimed that "While I admit to most of the charges, I've never coerced or suggested match fixing to Progamer Jin"

Continuing, Ma said regarding Progamer Kim under the AirForce, that "it is true that I suggested match fixing to him in the beginning, but I don't remember suggesting match fixing to him later on and getting refused."

Furthermore, Ma added that "I have never participated in match fixing or betting myself, and I don't know of any [gambling] sites."

On the other hand, Won, speaking through a lawyer, accepted all charges from the prosecution and admitted that all of the collected evidence were correct.

Because Ma has denied a part of the charges against him, it became even more likely that Progamer Jin, who is on minor charges, will show up as a witness.

In the meanwhile Ma came to court with a cast and crutches as if he had gotten a knee surgery. Furthermore, during the process where courts check the address, occupation, etc of the accused, while Won answered "currently unemployed", Ma attracted attention by answering "Progamer".

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107435&db=issue

Thanks to MrHoon for the link.

----

Few more specific information regarding the trials.

- Broker Park was charged with Fraud, Blackmail, Bribery, Willingness to Bribe
- Progamer Won has been charged with Fraud, Bribery, Willingness to give Bribes, Obstruction for Business, Inveterate Gambling, Accepting and Giving Bribes for Occupational duty (T/N: ie: I accept money and I do you a favor, except it relates to my occupation. So it probably involves throwing/paying others to throw games), etc, for 8 total charges
- Progamer Ma has been charged with Fraud, Bribery, Willingness to give Bribes, Obstruction of Business, Giving Bribes for Occupational duty, etc.
- Progamer Ma has accepted most charges, but said "I admit to handing money to Progamer Jin, but I never suggested or coerced him to throw the match"

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107434&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Thanks to fw for fixes.
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  MrHoon  *   June 04 2010 14:37. Posts 8567Profile Blog # 
I too first disregarded the rumors when I first read it in PGR21

I remember alot of people bashing PGR for 'writing a fantasy novel' but to think savior actually came out and said it o.O
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 SC2Phoenix   Canada. June 04 2010 14:38. Posts 2793
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How big is this whole situation, like what kinda charges are being laid
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  TheNessman   United States. June 04 2010 14:39. Posts 4157Profile Blog # 
wait what, he is denying the charges in his statement but accepting the charges through his lawyer?

what....?
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 goldenkrnboi   United States. June 04 2010 14:39. Posts 2983
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O.O

hoo dear savior. you better show up clean after making a statement like this. if not, you're done for life.

edit: wait. what the.

Ma, after investigators released their reports, in his defense, claimed that "While I admit to most of the charges, I've never coerced or suggested match fixing to Progamer Jin"


I have no clue what this sentence is trying to say. which charges is he admitting to, then, if not the match-fixing or the coercement of match-fixing.

and he said he offered presumably darkelf to rig matches early on, but didn't later? what difference does that make...? i'm so lost.
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  TheNessman   United States. June 04 2010 14:39. Posts 4157Profile Blog # 

On June 04 2010 14:39 TheNessman wrote:
wait what, he is denying the charges in his statement but accepting the charges through his lawyer?

what....?


i understand this article as much as my last post made sense. aka not very much.

k after re-reading it, i mean: Why would he have accepted the charges, but then deny them now? why didnt he deny them in the first place or something?
Last edit: 2010-06-04 14:40:40
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  Megalisk   United States. June 04 2010 14:40. Posts 6095Profile Blog # 
Lol savior trying to be a badass.

"I'm a progamer, motherfuckers"
Last edit: 2010-06-04 14:41:17
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 ilj.psa   Peru. June 04 2010 14:41. Posts 3080
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On June 04 2010 14:35 Milkis wrote:
Furthermore, during the process where courts check the address, occupation, etc of the accused, while Won answered "currently unemployed", Ma attracted attention by answering "Progamer".
k.

lol he just won't give up
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 Anomarad   Canada. June 04 2010 14:41. Posts 536
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He's in denial!
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  aimaimaim   Philippines. June 04 2010 14:42. Posts 2166Profile Blog # 
wow so .. keep us posted please
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 superbabosheki   United States. June 04 2010 14:42. Posts 1466
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Occupation progamer, god that just sounds so cool in the head!
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 Lightswarm   Canada. June 04 2010 14:42. Posts 785
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Never gonna give you up



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 goldenkrnboi   United States. June 04 2010 14:42. Posts 2983
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there's so many holes with this story. it's baffling.
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  Megalisk   United States. June 04 2010 14:43. Posts 6095Profile Blog # 
Who is won??

I know JIN is (T)Hwasin.
And Kim is (T)DarkElf.

EDIT: OK I guess Mr. Won is (T)Justin



On June 04 2010 14:42 Lightswarm wrote:
Never gonna give you up

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  Milkis   June 04 2010 14:44. Posts 4777Profile Blog # 

On June 04 2010 14:39 goldenkrnboi wrote:
O.O

hoo dear savior. you better show up clean after making a statement like this. if not, you're done for life.

edit: wait. what the.

Show nested quote +



I have no clue what this sentence is trying to say. which charges is he admitting to, then, if not the match-fixing or the coercement of match-fixing.

and he said he offered presumably darkelf to rig matches early on, but didn't later? what difference does that make...? i'm so lost.


It's actually not clear. But he's saying three things.

- Never suggsted match fixing to Hwasin
- "doesn't remember" suggesting match fixing to DarkElf "later on". He accepted that he did suggest match fixing to DarkElf "earlier on".
- Never participated in match fixing sites himself.

Those are the specific three charges that are being denied, what he's actually being indicted of, we don't know.


Who is won??

I know Jin is Hwasin.
And Kim is Darkelf.


Won is Justin
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 Zozma   United States. June 04 2010 14:45. Posts 1612
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I think maybe something got lost in translation?

Savior's saying some weird things here.

Well, I'd be glad if he wound up being innocent, but I really doubt that that's the case.
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 KingofHearts   Japan. June 04 2010 14:46. Posts 560
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savior is trying to lie his way out. not gonna work. everyone knows he is involved. he should have shown some remorse.
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  MrHoon  *   June 04 2010 14:46. Posts 8567Profile Blog # 

On June 04 2010 14:45 Zozma wrote:
I think maybe something got lost in translation?

no this was it

the article is incredibly vague

almost too vague o.O
Last edit: 2010-06-04 14:46:56
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  Megalisk   United States. June 04 2010 14:47. Posts 6095Profile Blog # 

On June 04 2010 14:46 KingofHearts wrote:
savior is trying to lie his way out. not gonna work. everyone knows he is involved. he should have shown some remorse.


If hes gonna go out, might as well go out in the worst way possible ...
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 opsayo   June 04 2010 14:49. Posts 543
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could he actually get jail time?
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