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| Ace United States. June 25 2010 09:55. Posts 13504 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:
On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green.
I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision.
Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. |
| | No sir I fully get it, however unless I can unlaunch my nuke there is not much we can do about it. I also wasn't posting as much because I didn't fully read the rules yet LOL! - RebirthofLegend in WaW Mafia |
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Radfield  Canada. June 25 2010 09:56. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 09:55 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:37 Radfield wrote:That's what we get for removing BM and Chez  Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people
For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them. I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions.
I'm used to dying in the night, which means it's important to get my thoughts in while I can |
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| Radfield Canada. June 25 2010 10:02. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:
On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:
On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green.
I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
Surely in the interest of hunting scum there should be more to it than that. Yes, if you're confident scum will not be found on Day One then voting off those players who are difficult to read and always seem scummy is a good choice. But I think players who play that way should get their own special category. Yes they always play scummy so they should get consideration for my day 1 vote, but mostly I should ignore them and concentrate on the other players. Using those players who always seem scummy/ridiculous as a fallback. |
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| YellowInk United States. June 25 2010 10:09. Posts 578 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 09:56 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:55 YellowInk wrote:
On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
On June 25 2010 09:37 Radfield wrote:That's what we get for removing BM and Chez Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people
For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them. I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions.
I'm used to dying in the night, which means it's important to get my thoughts in while I can
Haha, so I've heard. While that's fair, I've already talked about my opinions of the major implications of BM flipping green vs red during the day and that hasn't changed. Any conclusions I might draw from the evening banter is just as much speculation as the next guy's. I suppose if something really big came out at night it might be worth commenting on, but there's really not much of a reason FOR anything big to happen at night.
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| Ace United States. June 25 2010 10:17. Posts 13504 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2010 10:02 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:
On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:
On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green.
I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
Surely in the interest of hunting scum there should be more to it than that. Yes, if you're confident scum will not be found on Day One then voting off those players who are difficult to read and always seem scummy is a good choice. But I think players who play that way should get their own special category. Yes they always play scummy so they should get consideration for my day 1 vote, but mostly I should ignore them and concentrate on the other players. Using those players who always seem scummy/ridiculous as a fallback.
Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched.
But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time. |
| | No sir I fully get it, however unless I can unlaunch my nuke there is not much we can do about it. I also wasn't posting as much because I didn't fully read the rules yet LOL! - RebirthofLegend in WaW Mafia |
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 flamewheel HANG KANG. June 25 2010 10:21. Posts 21483 | Profile Blog # |
| I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah. |
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| BrownBear United States. June 25 2010 10:33. Posts 2702 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
Honestly, I don't have that much to say right now. I'm waiting to see what the result of the night actions are before making any decisions/posts. |
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| Radfield Canada. June 25 2010 10:33. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched.
Agreed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that going into this game, many of us knew that the BM/Chez team would probably look scummy on day 1(spam, accusations, etc). So knowing that, there's less of a reason for focusing on them or worrying about them. They might still be deserving of a vote, but aren't necessarily deserving of my scum searching time.
But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time.
Yeah I wasn't really commenting on your play, more just commenting on general strategy. |
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| Radfield Canada. June 25 2010 10:36. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 10:21 flamewheel wrote:
I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah.
shucks, I was hoping to stay up for the Day Post, but I guess I'll just head to bed. |
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| flamewheel HANG KANG. June 25 2010 10:41. Posts 21483 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2010 10:36 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 10:21 flamewheel wrote:
I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah.
shucks, I was hoping to stay up for the Day Post, but I guess I'll just head to bed.
Nah actually it'll be fine now. Haircut delayed.
mzzzzzzzz |
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| flamewheel HANG KANG. June 25 2010 11:00. Posts 21483 | Profile Blog # |
![[image loading]](http://witneyman.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/holygrail017.jpg)
Day 2:
Korynne and Radfield were walking about in the forest, the same repetitive galloping track playing from that movie, Holy Grail, reverberating in the air. After riding past the same set of trees fifteen times to emphasize distance traveled, the pair came to a bridge guarded by a knight wearing all black. Unfortunately, the Knight would not let them pass, and neither Korynne nor Radfield would be able to defeat the Black Knight in combat, so they attempted to look for an alternative.
Really though, that ditch is like five feet deep at most…
But of course that’s not how good (and bad) plot lines work out, so Korynne and Radfield spent the next few hours searching for some way to cross. Then along comes King Arthur, and he defeats the Black Knight, cutting off all four of the Knight’s limbs. He then proceeds to gallop away while Patsy, his servant, follows behind clapping the coconuts together.
Korynne and Radfield then try to pass, thinking that a limbless Knight should not be able to stop them. However, impossibly the Knight gets his own helmet off and savagely bites Korynne and Radfield to death.
Team 1 (Korynne and Radfield) is now dead.
I would insert a comment about Radfield dying Night 1 again, but I’m too lazy to hit backspace now.
It is now Day 2. You know the drill—post, vote, and don’t get modkilled. You have 48 hours.
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| bumatlarge United States. June 25 2010 11:03. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
Poor radfield and korynne  |
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| Radfield Canada. June 25 2010 11:04. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
| Sorry Korynne.... should've found a more durable partner... |
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| Korynne Canada. June 25 2010 11:10. Posts 931 | Profile Blog # |
| Aww com'on! I've been cursed with the Radfield! xD |
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| LaXerCannon Canada. June 25 2010 11:13. Posts 555 | Profile # |
| Posting to show that I am here, going to take a bath first (after like 4 hours of basketball D before reading through the thread and posting |
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| LaXerCannon Canada. June 25 2010 11:47. Posts 555 | Profile # |
The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies
Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.
These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green |
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 Divinek Canada. June 25 2010 11:50. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
| So all for throwing random accusations out there but doesnt this make it really likely that either ace or L are red now, sicne they're just known as good, active players and obv the mob would want to take them out first instead of radfield? |
| Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white. |
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| Divinek Canada. June 25 2010 11:52. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
| id just like to know what others think since they seem good enough they could seem almost not scummy at all, and ill still attempt a post analysis at them anyways |
| Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white. |
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| johnnyspazz Taiwan. June 25 2010 11:53. Posts 1461 | Profile # |
On June 25 2010 06:13 Radfield wrote:Anyways, I was all ready to make a big post, but it seems like things have settled down a bit. At the very least Korynne, we probably won't die tonight since you've cast some suspicion on us
lol
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| DarthThienAn United States. June 25 2010 12:26. Posts 2670 | Profile Blog # |
+ Show Spoiler +Hum.. wondering why the mafia killed Radfield's team, unless they did it because he was Radfield. Almost makes me think we don't have a medic because that's such an obvious person to protect =P. Going through his posts, let's see who he points fingers at / sides with: Radfield+ Show Spoiler +--by post number-- 163: calls out 6-9 for 'laying low'. 314: Team 6 - Caller for being inactive, L for creating confusion. (Reads Team 2 as town) 392: Direct analysis of one of DCLXVI's posts, says it screams mafia. Link. Mostly calling them out for inactivity, but also for poor posting. 395: Analysis of Divinek, points out that Divinek has mostly been riding the opinions/words of others. noncommital, etc. 397: Analysis of DCLXVI, says the same things essentially, calls their playing style mafia-like. 398: Analysis of MooCow, same result. Calls to lynch them/calls for thoughts on Team 9. 426: calls for more looking at Team 9. 447: Analysis of bumatlarge, says he has a few decent posts, but otherwise spams a lot. Doesn't get a huge scum vibe from him however. 459: Points out L and Caller's inactivity again. 506: Okay with either lynches (Team 2, or Team 9). Says he reads red on Team 9, but is okay with letting them live for another day. 618: Says some of Ace's posts are scummy, ie. his push for Team 2. Also thinks that L is scummy however (near the top of his suspect list). : Radfield points the finger almost exclusively at Teams 6 and 9... Before his death, he still though L was scummy. The question is, how much of this is Radfield reading poorly, and how of it is accurate? We at least know his thoughts are sincere and pro-town. So keep this in mind I guess. Random Thought: After looking through his posts again, I realize that Radfield (and probably Korynne although I haven't gone through her posts) were decent posts -> good hit for mafia. Add that to the 'entertainment value' for this game, and it makes it the perfect hit? |
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