Diablo III General Discussion

D2 is the only game I was ever really addicted to. I really hope Blizzard will manage to retain D2's feel and not go the WoW route (I think WoW's a good game in its own right though).

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Malgrif Canada. July 01 2010 05:03. Posts 1089

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On June 30 2010 09:05 im a roc wrote:

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These are not the same thing, these are two different genres.
You can't compare gameplay cross genre.
You can't rip on graphics or UI from a decade ago.

Diablo ≠ WoW. UI and graphics will be improved ten fold over the corse of 10 years, and the gameplay is still compelling to a huge number of fans.

kill mobs, collect loot, show off? lol gameplay imo wow is far superior in this respect. d2 is just an item grind fest

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Bibdy United States. July 01 2010 05:20. Posts 3479

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The volume of loot and the rapidity of levelling changes the gameplay a lot.

Yeah, its an RPG, but its less about story and 'the hero's journey' and more about good old fashioned blowing shit up, which is always fun.

Imagine if loot in WoW flew randomly around the place, you levelled up to 20 in like an hour, almost everything gets 1-shot and ALL of your abilities are crazy ass-kicking extravaganzas.

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Chairman Ray Canada. July 01 2010 05:21. Posts 7382

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After getting bored with sc2, I'm quite excited for D3. I hope D3 will have really fun PvE. I was a D2 addict for a long time, but the game completely sucks, I just couldn't put it down. All you do is grind until you have perfect item stats and then do nothing since PvP sucks. I hope D3 is not like that.

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Uranium United States. July 01 2010 05:37. Posts 776

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On June 30 2010 08:40 Malgrif wrote:
d2 is basically wow with crappier graphics, interface, and game play. d3 will just be more of the same, i don't know what else they can bring to the table. wow seemed to have mastered the genre of action rpg/mmo.

MOAR RANDOMLY GENERATED LOOT.

No, seriously. The problem with WoW was always the dearth of good loot. And the fact that the loot wasn't randomly generated so you always had to go to particular places to get certain items.

In Diablo you can generate insane rares that are better than artifacts, and they all have their own unique stats so you can customize out your character.

edit: To the above posters, I love item grinding, especially if it can be done solo. I *hate* having to run instances with pub nubs in WoW (I never spent enough time on it to be in a good raid guild). And thank god D3 doesn't have healers (I hope). Otherwise it'll turn into "Oh, you're a Witch Doctor? Good. You can be main healer."

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Khenra Netherlands. July 01 2010 06:21. Posts 811

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On June 30 2010 22:46 Numy wrote:

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I'm not sure if this has been answered but what you can do is install a virtual machine with xp on you pc if you really want to play older games that Vista struggles with. Vista should come with the software needed

Well I tried running the game in Windows XP Service pack 2 compatibility mode but that didn't work.

Anyway, this is kind of off-topic since this thread is about Diablo 3, not Diablo 2. I'll stop derailing

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DeCoup Australia. July 01 2010 06:31. Posts 1928

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Go look at the first couple of screenshots of SC2 on the official site. (I chose the one with the lings running up the ramp and the tanks on high ground) then find a similar picture in the newest screenshots on their site (or even recreate the scene now in SC2) and compare. The first few pics look like wc3 too. Their cartoony, simple, bad shaders, little detail. The only reason is because graphics are the last thing you focus strongly on. Units and mechanics change, so spending a lot on graphics early on (especially with blizzards iteration based work model) does not happen. The game will look amazing on release.

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maneatingshoe Canada. July 01 2010 06:31. Posts 469

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I know for certain that Diablo 3 is going to be the biggest game release for me in the past 5 and future 5 years. Diablo 2 Is the only game I ever got addicted to. Looting is so much fun in that game and getting gear for like 10 Godly characters was actually a blast, I still go back a play for a couple weeks every few months. I just can't wait for the bigger world, larger amount of items, solid visuals and the 2 months of my life that will disapear.

Jayme United States. July 01 2010 06:51. Posts 4924

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On June 30 2010 22:31 Highways wrote:
Diablo is for noobs.

Might as well play The Sims.

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The hell is this?

Maybe people don't like SC2 because it's not that great of a game right now? That just might be it and it has nothing to do with being casual. I played WoW EXTREMELY hardcore (Im saying crazy 6-8 hours a day..no not proud of it -.-) and as of right now I still would prefer D3 over SC2 simply because while SC2 is good...it's nothing ground breaking and I had always been more addicted to D2 over SC back when I played both an insane amount.

Something about D2 just hooked me, the item hunting, the different characters, the skill tree. I just plain liked the game, a lot. You can play the diablo series pretty hardcore lol.

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Alak Sweden. July 01 2010 06:57. Posts 366

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On July 01 2010 06:51 Jayme wrote:

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I think everyone were doing their best to pretend that the post wasn't made. Just look the other way, don't make eye contact and whatever you do, don't show him your teeth.

Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.

LegendaryZ United States. July 01 2010 07:03. Posts 1583

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Comparing D2 and WoW is just plain stupid... the games were released years apart and much of WoW was built off what was learned in D2. D2 was one of the main predecessors to the modern MMORPG. Why not criticize Doom or Wolfenstein for being a crappy version of some modern FPS?

I was actually surprised that they decided to stick to the D2 format with D3 rather than go the MMO/subscription route, which would have certainly made them a lot of money and probably been a well-received successor to WoW. Truth is, though D2 did certainly have it's own flavor that the modern MMO simply doesn't give you. It's a much faster paced game and the item generator was one of the best of all time, producing so many unique items and leading to so many different ways to customize your character.

Personally, I do think D3 is going to equal or surpass SC2 in terms of quality and fun. SC2 as it is right now really isn't all that great... We'll see where it goes in the future, but the fact that so many people I know are already bored of it before the game is even released makes me wonder if it will even come close to living up to Brood War's legacy...

Assault_1 Canada. July 01 2010 07:03. Posts 1347

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Maybe now's an appropriate time to bump this thread.. now that we know a lot more about SC2, and beta's down so the SC2 forum is a bit quiet for now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95626

My vote was originally D3, and continues to be D3

Easy772 July 01 2010 07:11. Posts 374

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On June 30 2010 06:53 PhiliBiRD wrote:
imo, im not sure how they will distribute time for SC2 + WOW + D3.

thats a lot to deal with, until now they're only had WOW for the past 6-7 years...

I'm almost certain they spend the most time on WoW because it is the most profitable. I wouldnt be suprised if they tried to figure out a way to squeeze some extra cash out of us in Diablo 3 either. Still love Blizzard, have to respect the business aspect of it as always.

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im a roc United States. July 01 2010 09:43. Posts 661

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On July 01 2010 07:11 Easy772 wrote:

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Well, Blizzard has said that it will NOT be subscription based
and Blizzard has said that it will NOT be modable, meaning no "marketplace".

I don't know what else they could do to work a profit out of it past the game sale, but the Activision bit of ActivisionBlizzard is very creative in thinking of ways to profit from the game after purchase.

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SiegeFlank United States. July 02 2010 15:33. Posts 395

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If Blizzard plans to go through with their 2011 release of Diablo III, we'll probably be getting a lot more info about it at this upcoming Blizzcon. We still don't know what the 5th playable class will be.

Also, to those comparing D2 to WoW: One is an ARPG, the other is an MMORPG. That alone makes them different games entirely.

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DrGabriel United States. July 02 2010 16:51. Posts 80

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The lack of customizable stats in D3 disturbs me greatly. IMO the best part of d2 was building chars exactly like you wanted to, which opened up soooo many oddball characters and builds.

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Nitrogen United States. July 02 2010 19:14. Posts 5298

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is anyone else excited for pvp in d3? i loved pvp in d2, i played on d2pk for a while (amazing pvp server, no pvm at all) and loved it sooo much. i'm just curious on if they are going to bring something like enigma back into d3 because that is like... the backbone of most pvp chars.

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Kazius Israel. July 02 2010 19:46. Posts 1388

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On July 02 2010 19:14 Nitrogen wrote:
is anyone else excited for pvp in d3? i loved pvp in d2, i played on d2pk for a while (amazing pvp server, no pvm at all) and loved it sooo much. i'm just curious on if they are going to bring something like enigma back into d3 because that is like... the backbone of most pvp chars.

I thought Enigma was broken, just as a few other items were - taking away things unique to one class and bringing it to everyone. I'd rather that everything like that just gave different class-specific bonuses depending on the user of the item/runeword.

Anyways, D2:LoD was Serious Sam to WoW's Half Life - you can make a solid case that WoW is better, but there's just no replacement for shredding through giant hordes of enemies.

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Latham July 02 2010 19:50. Posts 4521

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I hated runewords with a passion. They broke the fucking game, fucked the gameplay sideways. Runewords like Enigma, HotO, Insight and other just ruined the game on so many levels.

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im a roc United States. July 02 2010 21:57. Posts 661

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On July 02 2010 16:51 DrGabriel wrote:
The lack of customizable stats in D3 disturbs me greatly. IMO the best part of d2 was building chars exactly like you wanted to, which opened up soooo many oddball characters and builds.

I'm confidant that this will return once they got to balancing the different characters against each other.

And for those of you who don't know about Enigma, it's a runeword that can get you items like this:

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