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| dottycakes Canada. August 12 2012 03:17. Posts 235 | Profile # |
On August 11 2012 23:39 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
First off, it is a very complicated situation in saying 'clearing inferno' because it is highly related to different classes, i was simply doing a generalization there. Wiz was the easiest to clear diablo at the first few days because of the huge exploit and then DH is the easiest class for a long time since he can farm act3 so efficiently with glass cannon build (dh doesnt even need dps when all the dh in the world were rushing the replenish chest in underbridge). And there was this chapter skipping exploit where everyone plays the game knew and used it (since launch and lasted for a long long time). Those are facts and they are caused by the exploits. The first exploit that ruined the economy is probably the replenish chest in act2. Now if you tell me you can clear inferno without using wiz/dh (and monk to some extend in the first few days after launch) in 80hours, you either have some extremely good luck (on AH or drop), or you used someone's help to clear diablo (in this case there is nothing to discuss of). And that only applies to players played since launch. After all the nerf/changes etc, i dare to say new players are impossible to clear D3 in under 200hours. 3 of my friends who started since last month (in which i told them not to buy the game) now stuck in act1 (obviously) with the richest one has 500k in bank. I just lol'ed at them and tell them i couldn't really help them either.
Ill take this challenge. Buy me an account and I'll clear Inferno in under 200 hours with a Barb.
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| HowellTime United States. August 12 2012 04:33. Posts 32 | Profile # |
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| Hairy United Kingdom. August 12 2012 08:11. Posts 1034 | Profile # |
| My barb (my only character) beat inferno 5 weeks ago, and the stat sheet tells me that today I have 159 hours played. I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but if you've spent over 200 hours and still haven't cleared inferno I daresay something is going wrong. |
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| superstartran United States. August 12 2012 08:27. Posts 1307 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 03:17 dottycakes wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:39 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
First off, it is a very complicated situation in saying 'clearing inferno' because it is highly related to different classes, i was simply doing a generalization there. Wiz was the easiest to clear diablo at the first few days because of the huge exploit and then DH is the easiest class for a long time since he can farm act3 so efficiently with glass cannon build (dh doesnt even need dps when all the dh in the world were rushing the replenish chest in underbridge). And there was this chapter skipping exploit where everyone plays the game knew and used it (since launch and lasted for a long long time). Those are facts and they are caused by the exploits. The first exploit that ruined the economy is probably the replenish chest in act2. Now if you tell me you can clear inferno without using wiz/dh (and monk to some extend in the first few days after launch) in 80hours, you either have some extremely good luck (on AH or drop), or you used someone's help to clear diablo (in this case there is nothing to discuss of). And that only applies to players played since launch. After all the nerf/changes etc, i dare to say new players are impossible to clear D3 in under 200hours. 3 of my friends who started since last month (in which i told them not to buy the game) now stuck in act1 (obviously) with the richest one has 500k in bank. I just lol'ed at them and tell them i couldn't really help them either.
Ill take this challenge. Buy me an account and I'll clear Inferno in under 200 hours with a Barb.
Before the Act2+ nerfs it was practically impossible to get past Act 2 without severe exploiting in one form or another.
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| BurningSera United Kingdom. August 12 2012 10:08. Posts 5183 | Profile Blog # |
On August 12 2012 03:17 dottycakes wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:39 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
First off, it is a very complicated situation in saying 'clearing inferno' because it is highly related to different classes, i was simply doing a generalization there. Wiz was the easiest to clear diablo at the first few days because of the huge exploit and then DH is the easiest class for a long time since he can farm act3 so efficiently with glass cannon build (dh doesnt even need dps when all the dh in the world were rushing the replenish chest in underbridge). And there was this chapter skipping exploit where everyone plays the game knew and used it (since launch and lasted for a long long time). Those are facts and they are caused by the exploits. The first exploit that ruined the economy is probably the replenish chest in act2. Now if you tell me you can clear inferno without using wiz/dh (and monk to some extend in the first few days after launch) in 80hours, you either have some extremely good luck (on AH or drop), or you used someone's help to clear diablo (in this case there is nothing to discuss of). And that only applies to players played since launch. After all the nerf/changes etc, i dare to say new players are impossible to clear D3 in under 200hours. 3 of my friends who started since last month (in which i told them not to buy the game) now stuck in act1 (obviously) with the richest one has 500k in bank. I just lol'ed at them and tell them i couldn't really help them either.
Ill take this challenge. Buy me an account and I'll clear Inferno in under 200 hours with a Barb.
ha. I am sure if you asked around your mate you will get someone to let you play on his account.
When i said clearing inferno, i mean you have the gears to clear every type of elites/bosses you encounter, only by yourself. And that has to be done by what a normal player would do, first run through is enjoying everything etc, finish most sidequests etc, like a normal gamer. And then you can rush through nightmare/hell. I don't even know how do any legit player get enough gold to buy gears for Ghom lol |
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| Doraemon Australia. August 12 2012 10:49. Posts 9540 | Profile Blog # |
On August 11 2012 23:16 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:12 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2.
The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous.
3 months = 90 days, 3 hours a day is 270 hours. you proved my point by saying u cleared it in 80 hours and we didn't despite longer playing time, and dare i say with no difference in skills. you managed because you have better gear and we don't. i did answer zomge's question, it will be more enjoyable because i can finally play with friends without getting crushed.
Oh.. so your point was that it's too hard for you to use trading or the auction house to find and sell gear, or that you didn't want to use it. I understand. Well, then there's nothing I can say.
you sound exactly like the OP here:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6307521571
unable to understand how majority of the players feel
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| DODswe4 Sweden. August 12 2012 11:05. Posts 854 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 08:27 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 03:17 dottycakes wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:39 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
First off, it is a very complicated situation in saying 'clearing inferno' because it is highly related to different classes, i was simply doing a generalization there. Wiz was the easiest to clear diablo at the first few days because of the huge exploit and then DH is the easiest class for a long time since he can farm act3 so efficiently with glass cannon build (dh doesnt even need dps when all the dh in the world were rushing the replenish chest in underbridge). And there was this chapter skipping exploit where everyone plays the game knew and used it (since launch and lasted for a long long time). Those are facts and they are caused by the exploits. The first exploit that ruined the economy is probably the replenish chest in act2. Now if you tell me you can clear inferno without using wiz/dh (and monk to some extend in the first few days after launch) in 80hours, you either have some extremely good luck (on AH or drop), or you used someone's help to clear diablo (in this case there is nothing to discuss of). And that only applies to players played since launch. After all the nerf/changes etc, i dare to say new players are impossible to clear D3 in under 200hours. 3 of my friends who started since last month (in which i told them not to buy the game) now stuck in act1 (obviously) with the richest one has 500k in bank. I just lol'ed at them and tell them i couldn't really help them either.
Ill take this challenge. Buy me an account and I'll clear Inferno in under 200 hours with a Barb.
Before the Act2+ nerfs it was practically impossible to get past Act 2 without severe exploiting in one form or another.
I cleared right up to Siegebreaker before the patch and cleared the rest right as the nerf patch hit more or less, when I had finished Diablo i had clocked something like 150h. I didnt exploit at all. I looked for tips here and on some other sites and looked for cheap gear on ah with the right stats. I was not insanely rich. AH is abit wild on EU now. 200h is a long time 1lucky weapon drop and you can do it as a barb the other stuff needed to clear the game is available if you look hard enough
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| heishe Germany. August 12 2012 11:32. Posts 2127 | Profile Blog # |
On August 12 2012 10:49 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:16 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:12 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2.
The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous.
3 months = 90 days, 3 hours a day is 270 hours. you proved my point by saying u cleared it in 80 hours and we didn't despite longer playing time, and dare i say with no difference in skills. you managed because you have better gear and we don't. i did answer zomge's question, it will be more enjoyable because i can finally play with friends without getting crushed.
Oh.. so your point was that it's too hard for you to use trading or the auction house to find and sell gear, or that you didn't want to use it. I understand. Well, then there's nothing I can say.
you sound exactly like the OP here:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6307521571 unable to understand how majority of the players feel
I understand, I just disagree with it. Yeah, that's right, I disagree with your feelings! :D
Seriously, though, it's just my philosophical point of view towards the whole thing. I think most players feel that way not because something with the game is wrong, but due to faults of their own. This simply stems from the fact that I was able to "beat the game" with a reasonable time investment, and while I had one lucky drop that netted me 15 mil on the auction house that let me progress a lot further, those 15 mil can easily be earned in another 20 hours of playtime as well. Plus I don't think I'm super skilled or anything like that either. So there's no reason why other players out there shouldn't be able to do it (even in the tumultuous gold climate right now). Just because they're the majority doesn't mean that doing what they want will make the game better, even for them.
Instead of trying to adapt to the situation and get smarter, more informed or maybe even a little bit more patient with the game, they want to have things made easier for them. And there's just something fundamentally off about that for me. Not just from the egotistical perspective off "Damn all these games in the past few years have been casualized to hell, all because of these noobs not being able to use the keyboard and mouse right" or something like that. Instead I think that trying to overcome that challenge will ultimately yield a more fulfilling experience for those players, and maybe in the long run make them better persons as well.
But that's really just my point of view, and I guess there's nothing to do here other than to bow to the will of the majority.Last edit: 2012-08-12 11:39:51 |
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| oneofthem Cayman Islands. August 12 2012 12:21. Posts 10321 | Profile Blog # |
well, even if you can 'beat the game', you still need to farm and get value for your farm. having more players in the economy is in the interest of not only the "majority" but also players who can 'beat the game.'
all the midlevel gear that's depreciating is suffering from stagnant mid level demand from players leaving the game. Last edit: 2012-08-12 12:27:13 |
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| Jerubaal United States. August 12 2012 13:19. Posts 2504 | Profile # |
Someone wrote a thread about the auction house and while there was a lot of pseud-political science talk and psychobabble, the interesting point was that the auction house creates a disconnect between the act of playing the game and progressing.
I don't progress in the game because I beat the previous act, or because I beat it a reasonable number of times, or because I beat it so fast or easily. If I'm using the AH to buy gear, I beat the act, keep beating the act and then at a seemingly arbitrary point I get gear magically handed to me. There's no progression curve where I gradually improve or overcome challenges.
The inferno nerf might not be necessary, but it is also essentially the same as a drop rate increase. If items fall on a spectrum, then a difficulty nerf just increases the range of possible drops that are viable. This may be necessary to prevent a total item glut. |
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| Doraemon Australia. August 12 2012 22:50. Posts 9540 | Profile Blog # |
On August 12 2012 11:32 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 10:49 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:16 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:12 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it.
the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House.
That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time.
On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:
On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game....
to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2.
The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous.
3 months = 90 days, 3 hours a day is 270 hours. you proved my point by saying u cleared it in 80 hours and we didn't despite longer playing time, and dare i say with no difference in skills. you managed because you have better gear and we don't. i did answer zomge's question, it will be more enjoyable because i can finally play with friends without getting crushed.
Oh.. so your point was that it's too hard for you to use trading or the auction house to find and sell gear, or that you didn't want to use it. I understand. Well, then there's nothing I can say.
you sound exactly like the OP here:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6307521571 unable to understand how majority of the players feel
I understand, I just disagree with it. Yeah, that's right, I disagree with your feelings! :D Seriously, though, it's just my philosophical point of view towards the whole thing. I think most players feel that way not because something with the game is wrong, but due to faults of their own. This simply stems from the fact that I was able to "beat the game" with a reasonable time investment, and while I had one lucky drop that netted me 15 mil on the auction house that let me progress a lot further, those 15 mil can easily be earned in another 20 hours of playtime as well. Plus I don't think I'm super skilled or anything like that either. So there's no reason why other players out there shouldn't be able to do it (even in the tumultuous gold climate right now). Just because they're the majority doesn't mean that doing what they want will make the game better, even for them. Instead of trying to adapt to the situation and get smarter, more informed or maybe even a little bit more patient with the game, they want to have things made easier for them. And there's just something fundamentally off about that for me. Not just from the egotistical perspective off "Damn all these games in the past few years have been casualized to hell, all because of these noobs not being able to use the keyboard and mouse right" or something like that. Instead I think that trying to overcome that challenge will ultimately yield a more fulfilling experience for those players, and maybe in the long run make them better persons as well. But that's really just my point of view, and I guess there's nothing to do here other than to bow to the will of the majority.
i like the elements you identified like "adapt to the situation and get smarter, more informed" - however, to me those points aren't necessary directly applicable to diablo gameplay but rather the auction house where you must utilise it efficiently, the gameplay itself is rather simple and regardless of your skill level it is purely about the luck of the drop, which is why someone can clear inferno in <50 hour compared to someone that haven't completed the achievement with >200 hours. |
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| zomgE August 13 2012 04:06. Posts 466 | Profile # | |
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| Heh_ Singapore. August 13 2012 04:10. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
You know.. someone got lucky 4 times =) |
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| wintergt Belgium. August 13 2012 04:11. Posts 1235 | Profile # |
| Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe. |
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| calgar United States. August 13 2012 05:10. Posts 901 | Profile Blog # |
On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe.
I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator. |
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| Ig United States. August 13 2012 09:02. Posts 407 | Profile # |
On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe.
I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator.
Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters.Last edit: 2012-08-13 09:03:02 |
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| oneofthem Cayman Islands. August 13 2012 10:49. Posts 10321 | Profile Blog # | |
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| grush57 Korea (South). August 13 2012 11:47. Posts 2505 | Profile # |
On August 01 2012 13:03 D10 wrote:
I dont know the reason the game sucks so much
But damn I saw it coming from 500 miles away
Siigh yeah, i put thousands of hours ind2, and played d3 for 15 hours, no clue why its like supposed to be good, but had a feeling it'd be bad, but was super hyped anyways. |
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| calgar United States. August 13 2012 11:47. Posts 901 | Profile Blog # |
On August 13 2012 09:02 Ig wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:
On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe.
I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator.
Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters.
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| Cascade Australia. August 13 2012 12:04. Posts 2186 | Profile Blog # |
On August 13 2012 11:47 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 09:02 Ig wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:
On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe.
I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator.
Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters.
Assuming you're right, then, why haven't people done this to dupe expensive items like a nat's set or something that would go for $100+ on the RMAH? Wouldn't this kind of duping allow people to make hundreds of dollars and cause prices to crash (like what happened in runescape for anyone else that played in middle school)?
Or why even stop at a single set at that point? When you have two sets, get a new account and copy both of the sets, and you will have 4 sets. Get new account etc until you have you entire stash full of $250 gear. By Getting new accounts each time you avoid suspicion, and if you want to avoid having your stash full of 50 identical items, you can just sell your duplicates of $250 items and buy others on one of the auction houses. True D3 end game would then be to buy new accounts, transfer a stash full of $250 items (small ones, to fit many) and play a bit on it to make it look natural, maybe even rush it up to 60. Give all the items to one of your other accounts and ask for rollback. Sell the copied items for (number of items in stash)*$250. Get new account and repeat.
But hopefully that doesn't work, or the market would have crashed completely long ago? |
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