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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | findingthelimit Hong Kong. June 29 2012 20:57. Posts 136 | Profile # |
Hey guys-
When I was considering SSDs, I was only looking at the ones providing a storage of 128gb storage, but now that i think about it, the only programs I will actually put in the SSD (i will have a 1tb cavier black for other storage) are sc2, wc3, itunes, d3, dota2 (steam) and the OS. sc2/wc3/itunes/d3/dota2 will probably take up no more than 15-20gb of memory-
can anyone inform me approximately how much space the win7 OS home edition requires?
and, were there any common programs I have left out which I should store in the SSD, for my purposes? i will be doing casual school work and gaming on this computer.
if not, would i be considered an complete idiot if i used an 128gb ssd as opposed to a 60gb one? (it seems so to myself)Last edit: 2012-06-29 20:58:03 |
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| Artline June 29 2012 21:04. Posts 171 | Profile # |
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On June 29 2012 20:57 findingthelimit wrote:
Hey guys-
When I was considering SSDs, I was only looking at the ones providing a storage of 128gb storage, but now that i think about it, the only programs I will actually put in the SSD (i will have a 1tb cavier black for other storage) are sc2, wc3, itunes, d3, dota2 (steam) and the OS. sc2/wc3/itunes/d3/dota2 will probably take up no more than 15-20gb of memory-
can anyone inform me approximately how much space the win7 OS home edition requires?
and, were there any common programs I have left out which I should store in the SSD, for my purposes? i will be doing casual school work and gaming on this computer.
if not, would i be considered an complete idiot if i used an 128gb ssd as opposed to a 60gb one? (it seems so to myself)
I have the Intel 520 120gb ssd. With OS, SC2, and D3 I get around 60gb used. I think OS alone uses around 30gb. So 64gb ssd seems insufficient for more than 2 games. |
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| Myrmidon United States. June 29 2012 21:11. Posts 8491 | Profile Blog # |
I'd just keep Program Files on the SSD and forget about it.
Web browser, MS Office, Adobe software, PDF reader, system utilities, any kind of computation / modeling / programming whatever software, etc. would all load faster from the SSD. Actually, many of these kinds of programs benefit more from solid-state storage than anything else.
If the main benefit of an SSD is more convenience and better performance, then consider that managing what goes where accomplishes the opposite—bothering the user with extra decisions is the opposite of more convenience. That's the benefit of a larger SSD.
Higher-capacity SSDs also have a little better performance, but it's not something you'll notice unless you're copying large files onto it, which would generally be a weird thing to do in most usage models.
OS is definitely less than 30GB though, closer to 20GB? Something seems off with that.Last edit: 2012-06-29 21:11:52 |
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| Thent United States. June 29 2012 21:20. Posts 35 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 20:21 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2012 19:53 AgMaxHammer wrote:
Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2012 13:02 AgMaxHammer wrote:Alright, I ran into some money unexpectedly and as such I'll be able to build a computer pretty soon. I'll re-post my prior post with some updates. What is your budget?~$1000 (if it will show a massive improvement, I might be able to up that by 1 or 2 hundred dollars) What is your resolution?1920x1200 What are you using it for?Running and streaming SC2 smoothly at 720p. Streaming is the main thing; if I can up it to 1080p smoothly then that'd be great, but I really don't want any fps lag while I'm doing it. I probably won't really be playing many other games, so a super-snazzy graphics card probably won't be high-priority. Speaking of which, my friend gave me his HD 5830 and this HDD; would they be good enough for what I want to do? It'd be nice if I can tuck that couple-hundred dollars (or however much these components would cost) into other parts of the computer. What is your upgrade cycle?1-4 years When do you plan on building it?I'm ordering the parts this weekend. Do you plan on overclocking?Possibly Do you need an Operating System?No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Yes, but not immediately. Where are you buying your parts from?Seattle, WA, USA, so Newegg or Fry's
I'd really like to order the parts this weekend, so any help would be greatly appreciated. If I try to pick out all the parts myself I'm sure that I'd end up overspending in some areas and underspending in others 
For SC2 you can reuse the HD 5830. Take the hard drive as well, though I'd suggest getting an SSD for OS and programs and just using the hard drive for data storage and possibly infrequently-used programs. (That won't help anything but load times and general system responsiveness though, so it's an extra that can be avoided.) You can get a i7-3770k instead, but overclocked i7-3770k is just about the same as the much cheaper overclocked i7-2600k anyway. Core i7-2600k and Team 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $318 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.970354Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099AsRock Z68 Extreme3 - $115 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271Plextor M3 128GB SSD - $130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249014LG CD / DVD burner - $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247Cooler Master HAF 912 - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233Antec Earthwatts Green 750W (for SLI/Crossfire, and having 4 PCIe connectors...*sigh*) - $85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371051I recommend forgetting about Crossfire/SLI, but it's not a huge deal. You could upgrade the case or power supply (Rosewill Capstone is more premium, though that Earthwatts Green is by no means bad) if you want, or do whatever with the remaining budget. Actually, if you really really wanted, you could get a hex core i7-3930k instead, if you want stream quality to be slightly better. You'd just have to pay like $350 extra for that.
Thanks loads! I won't lie; I nearly got sexually excited when I totaled the build with the hex processor to be just in my budget range. It seems a bit strange, though, to have such a great processor with such a lower-mid ranged graphics card. Either way, I'll probably heed your advice and avoid dual GPU. It was just a thought that I was entertaining; by no means was I dead set on it. I just have a couple of questions now. Firstly, what power supply would be recommend, now that I don't plan on using Crossfire/SLI? Secondly, is streaming at all GPU intensive, or would the 5830 really be fine for streaming?
Again, thank you.Last edit: 2012-06-29 21:21:01 |
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| Medrea June 29 2012 21:29. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
| Streaming doesnt tax the GPU at all. |
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| Thent United States. June 29 2012 21:32. Posts 35 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 21:29 Medrea wrote:
Streaming doesnt tax the GPU at all.
Good to know, thanks. I'll probably be going with the hex-core processor, then. |
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| Medrea June 29 2012 21:36. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
| An intel hexacore processor is about $1,000 alone. Stick with the quad. Last edit: 2012-06-29 21:37:16 |
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| Myrmidon United States. June 29 2012 21:46. Posts 8491 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Thent United States. June 29 2012 21:52. Posts 35 | Profile # |
| Beat me to a response Last edit: 2012-06-29 21:53:41 |
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| Wabbit United States. June 29 2012 23:59. Posts 1005 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 20:57 findingthelimit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys-
When I was considering SSDs, I was only looking at the ones providing a storage of 128gb storage, but now that i think about it, the only programs I will actually put in the SSD (i will have a 1tb cavier black for other storage) are sc2, wc3, itunes, d3, dota2 (steam) and the OS. sc2/wc3/itunes/d3/dota2 will probably take up no more than 15-20gb of memory-
can anyone inform me approximately how much space the win7 OS home edition requires?
and, were there any common programs I have left out which I should store in the SSD, for my purposes? i will be doing casual school work and gaming on this computer.
if not, would i be considered an complete idiot if i used an 128gb ssd as opposed to a 60gb one? (it seems so to myself)
I don't recommend putting Blizzard games on the SSD unless you've really got tons of space. They load extremely fast anyway (I have them all on my 7200 RPM HDD, even though I have plenty of SSD space) so you might as well use that premium SSD space for other stuff.
W7 home is like 17-18GB.Last edit: 2012-06-29 23:59:42 |
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| Medrea June 30 2012 00:58. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
Diablo 3 has an assets loading bug so putting it on an SSD is actually not a bad idea at all.
I didnt know they dropped the price on those processors by that much. My sentiment remains the same though.Last edit: 2012-06-30 00:58:24 |
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| Badgerbandit June 30 2012 01:57. Posts 3 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
No more than $850
What is your budget?
Currently playing at 1440X900
What are you using it for?
Mainly WoW and soon to be Guild Wars 2 and Starcraft 2. I also intend on trying upcoming games on respectable settings.
What is your upgrade cycle?
1-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
In the next few weeks
Do you plan on overclocking?
Possibly
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
I have a Fry's that is nearby. I could also order parts online from any recommended website.
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| Myrmidon United States. June 30 2012 03:09. Posts 8491 | Profile Blog # | |
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| GoShox United States. June 30 2012 03:33. Posts 1061 | Profile Blog # |
Just curious to see what some of you guys thought of this build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/b1I9
(Also includes a DVD drive and NVIDIA GEforce 9800 GT, the latter which I already have)
For budget, I'm willing to spend up to $700 or $800, so I was pretty surprised by how cheap that all looks.
Resolution is 1600 x 900, I have a monitor capable of going higher, but I like that resolution for SC2.
As far as its use, I plan on using it for streaming. Currently I'm running a dual core (AMD Phenom II X2, 3.2 GHz) and streaming is pretty much impossible, heck even streaming Brood War is pretty laggy lol. I also plan on running dual monitors so I'd like to be able to alt tab out of games without lagging and stuff. I'm pretty much building for gaming. Don't plan on doing any overclocking. The next thing I upgrade will be the video card, which I'll do sometime down the line, maybe like a year from now or something. I figure that this gives me a solid foundation to build on when I need/want to. Thoughts?
Here are links to the individual pieces if it helps:
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| iTzSnypah United States. June 30 2012 03:38. Posts 1219 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 21:11 Myrmidon wrote:[spoiler]
I'd just keep Program Files on the SSD and forget about it.
Web browser, MS Office, Adobe software, PDF reader, system utilities, any kind of computation / modeling / programming whatever software, etc. would all load faster from the SSD. Actually, many of these kinds of programs benefit more from solid-state storage than anything else.
If the main benefit of an SSD is more convenience and better performance, then consider that managing what goes where accomplishes the opposite—bothering the user with extra decisions is the opposite of more convenience. That's the benefit of a larger SSD.
Higher-capacity SSDs also have a little better performance, but it's not something you'll notice unless you're copying large files onto it, which would generally be a weird thing to do in most usage models.
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OS is definitely less than 30GB though, closer to 20GB? Something seems off with that.
17GB... is what Win7 takes. However Win7 Cache's your RAM onto your harddrive (from what I've read). You can turn that feature off and save the space though. |
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| rolando United States. June 30 2012 04:30. Posts 30 | Profile # |
Budget
600$ for computer 100$ for monitor
Resolution
1920x1080
Uses
Starcraft 2, normal use and maybe a little streaming
Upgrade cycle
about 3 years
When do you plan on building it
Whenever I can get the best deal on parts within reason. Hopefully within a month
Do you plan on overclocking
I might overclock a little bit if the stock cooling system is good enough but it's not a big concern for me.
Operating system
don't need one
Multiple gpu's
no
where are you going to buy parts
I could buy them at a Fry's or somepace but I'll probably buy the parts online from a barebones kit |
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| skyR Canada. June 30 2012 04:33. Posts 11178 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 03:33 GoShox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just curious to see what some of you guys thought of this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/b1I9(Also includes a DVD drive and NVIDIA GEforce 9800 GT, the latter which I already have) For budget, I'm willing to spend up to $700 or $800, so I was pretty surprised by how cheap that all looks. Resolution is 1600 x 900, I have a monitor capable of going higher, but I like that resolution for SC2. As far as its use, I plan on using it for streaming. Currently I'm running a dual core (AMD Phenom II X2, 3.2 GHz) and streaming is pretty much impossible, heck even streaming Brood War is pretty laggy lol. I also plan on running dual monitors so I'd like to be able to alt tab out of games without lagging and stuff. I'm pretty much building for gaming. Don't plan on doing any overclocking. The next thing I upgrade will be the video card, which I'll do sometime down the line, maybe like a year from now or something. I figure that this gives me a solid foundation to build on when I need/want to. Thoughts? Here are links to the individual pieces if it helps: + Show Spoiler +
Memory is overpriced.
620w is unnecessary. CX400 or Neo Eco 450C is sufficient. |
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| Shauni June 30 2012 04:36. Posts 3832 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 03:33 GoShox wrote:Just curious to see what some of you guys thought of this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/b1I9(Also includes a DVD drive and NVIDIA GEforce 9800 GT, the latter which I already have) For budget, I'm willing to spend up to $700 or $800, so I was pretty surprised by how cheap that all looks. Resolution is 1600 x 900, I have a monitor capable of going higher, but I like that resolution for SC2. As far as its use, I plan on using it for streaming. Currently I'm running a dual core (AMD Phenom II X2, 3.2 GHz) and streaming is pretty much impossible, heck even streaming Brood War is pretty laggy lol. I also plan on running dual monitors so I'd like to be able to alt tab out of games without lagging and stuff. I'm pretty much building for gaming. Don't plan on doing any overclocking. The next thing I upgrade will be the video card, which I'll do sometime down the line, maybe like a year from now or something. I figure that this gives me a solid foundation to build on when I need/want to. Thoughts? Here are links to the individual pieces if it helps: + Show Spoiler +
I looked at your list and I'd change a few things according to your budget:
3570k (no real reason to pick the old architecture)
ASRock Z77 Pro4 (good price value)
Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 ("low profile", good stability)
Fractal Design Core 3000 (or Antec Three Hundred two)
OCZ Vertex 4 128gb (best performing ssd, extremely cheap in usa, would go with the 830 but its too expensive there)
no comment on cd as i dont see the point of buying one.
CAPSTONE-450 450W (in USA... no reason not to)
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| Shauni June 30 2012 04:42. Posts 3832 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 03:38 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 21:11 Myrmidon wrote:[spoiler]
I'd just keep Program Files on the SSD and forget about it.
Web browser, MS Office, Adobe software, PDF reader, system utilities, any kind of computation / modeling / programming whatever software, etc. would all load faster from the SSD. Actually, many of these kinds of programs benefit more from solid-state storage than anything else.
If the main benefit of an SSD is more convenience and better performance, then consider that managing what goes where accomplishes the opposite—bothering the user with extra decisions is the opposite of more convenience. That's the benefit of a larger SSD.
Higher-capacity SSDs also have a little better performance, but it's not something you'll notice unless you're copying large files onto it, which would generally be a weird thing to do in most usage models.
[/spoiler[
OS is definitely less than 30GB though, closer to 20GB? Something seems off with that.
17GB... is what Win7 takes. However Win7 Cache's your RAM onto your harddrive (from what I've read). You can turn that feature off and save the space though.
the architecture is the most important aspect, 64 bit win7 takes much more than 32bit. After that, it's updates, service packs, cache, recovery, boot sector, temp files, application data and so on. On a 64 gb drive, you'll have to clean regularly to be able to use your computer at all. With my 64gb drive, after a months of usage I was at the point that I was forced to reinstall because there was nothing to remove. If the drive is just 5-10gb free, gigantic problems will occur with extracting files, video editing, photo etc. Many programs force temporary files to your system disk, if you don't move your user folder there is no way to change that. 120 gb drives last longer, you can put more applications on it, aren't much more expensive. No reason to cut corners there. |
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| Makaveli1 United States. June 30 2012 05:28. Posts 112 | Profile Blog # |
Hey im looking to upgrade my HD 5750. I think my resolution is 1440x900
My current specs are a i5, asrock p67 pro, 6 gigs of ram, and a good power supply.
Any suggestions for a new gpu would be awesome, as I don't know very much about them, my budget is around $150-250Last edit: 2012-06-30 05:29:32 |
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