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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | KaoReal Canada. July 03 2012 03:58. Posts 252 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
$1000-$1500 CAD
What is your resolution?
1920x1200
What are you using it for?
Gaming and Photoshop. I kind of want to future-proof myself for a bit. AFAIK BF3 is the most taxing game at maximum settings at the moment?
What is your upgrade cycle?
2+ years
When do you plan on building it?
I would like to order the parts on July 5
Do you plan on overclocking?
Well, I've never overclocked before, but I would like to do it if it will help me max settings in games for a few more big releases.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I have a 6950 that I want to keep, and I want another one to crossfire with it because I read 6900s have great scaling.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Probably Newegg or NCIX or anywhere that might be cheaper. I live in Canada.
I also want another SSD and another storage drive. Probably 120-128GB and 1TB. |
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| iTzSnypah United States. July 03 2012 08:20. Posts 1218 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 23:46 MisterFred wrote:I was considering suggesting a Llano build, but I wasn't entirely happy with what I came up with. + Show Spoiler +Frankly, I liked your ivy bridge i3-idea better, and you can probably get it about as cheap. But anyway, here's the llano build. I mostly just looked at komplett, so check around for better prices for individual components: CPU: a8-3850 (93 euro) http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/amd_socket_fm1/20091023/amd_a_series_a8_3850_2_9ghz_4mb_fm1/details.aspxMotherboard: Asrock cheap FM1 (49) http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/amd_socket_fm1/20100873/asrock_a75m_hvs_socket_fm1_micro_atx/details.aspxThis motherboard has ONLY vga and dvi connectors. If you want HDMI connectors, you'll need this one (55): http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/amd_socket_fm1/20093043/msi_a75ma_p35_socket_fm1_micro_atx/details.aspxThat will lose DVI-capablity though. If you want both you'll need to pay more for a motherboard with all three major video connectors. CPU cooler: stock cooler GPU: integrated graphics. That's pretty much the whole point of the build, the a8-3850 has integrated graphics which should be somewhat superior to HD4000. Unfortunately, the Llanos are due to be replaced by a new generation of AMD apus sometime this summer/fall, so the advantage doesn't feel as good as it should. Would do the job fine, however. RAM: 2x4gb 1866mhz (54) http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/ddr3_modules/20093014/corsair_vengeance_8_gb_1866mhz_pc3_15000/details.aspxUnlike Intel builds, AMD apus benefit quite a bit from faster RAM. Note that this is a bit cheaper than alternative models, but the tall heat-spreaders will prevent the use of aftermarket coolers. Case: Some budget case that fits the required look. Maybe a bit fenix outlaw (~45 euros) PSU: Be Quiet 430w (42) DVD-burner (18) http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/dvd/20096282/sony_optiarc_ad_5280s_schijfstation_dvd_rw_(_r/details.aspxHDD: Samsung 1TB (75) http://komplett.nl/Komplett/product/intern_3_5_/10018452/samsung_1tb_3_5_sata300_7200rpm_32mb/details.aspxTotal: roughly 376 euro + shipping. Though as I said, I'm not terribly excited by the build, but it'll do the purposes you set forth.
NO NO NO ON LLANO!!!!
A8-3870K loses to G620+HD6570 yet cost about the same. The largest difference is in power consumption, which the G620+HD6570 really shine.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140.htmlLast edit: 2012-07-03 08:23:54 |
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| MisterFred United States. July 03 2012 09:27. Posts 1817 | Profile # | |
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| 1ManArmy Netherlands. July 03 2012 10:29. Posts 885 | Profile # |
I found out that the i3 with hd4000 gpu came out only for OEM, and that the retail version is not in sight yet :/
Same for the cheapest i5 with the hd4000 gpu.
It seems that either i will have to go with the Llano (which i don't really have a good feeling about to be honest :/ )
or to buy a i3 with a cheap videocard
If i would go for a i3 with a cheap videocard that would be around the level of hd4000, what should i go with?
I can get a 6570 for around 50 euro, which even is better then the Hd4000. Would that be a reasonable choice, or do u recommend another card?
Which motherboard/psu would you recommend? 350-400 w psu should be more then enough i assume? Last edit: 2012-07-03 10:29:18 |
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| iTzSnypah United States. July 03 2012 10:37. Posts 1218 | Profile Blog # |
On July 03 2012 10:29 1ManArmy wrote:I found out that the i3 with hd4000 gpu came out only for OEM, and that the retail version is not in sight yet :/ Same for the cheapest i5 with the hd4000 gpu. It seems that either i will have to go with the Llano (which i don't really have a good feeling about to be honest :/ ) or to buy a i3 with a cheap videocard If i would go for a i3 with a cheap videocard that would be around the level of hd4000, what should i go with? I can get a 6570 for around 50 euro, which even is better then the Hd4000. Would that be a reasonable choice, or do u recommend another card? Which motherboard/psu would you recommend? 350-400 w psu should be more then enough i assume?
Just go G620+6570. G620 plays games surprisingly well. Get a H61 motherboard, preferably microATX/ITX. I don't know if they even make quality 300-350w PSU's, but you would want to get one with Sub 400w, as G620+6570 are power sippers.
EDIT: Seasonic SS-350ET would probably be the best PSU for you.Last edit: 2012-07-03 10:41:53 |
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| 1ManArmy Netherlands. July 03 2012 10:51. Posts 885 | Profile # |
On July 03 2012 10:37 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 10:29 1ManArmy wrote:I found out that the i3 with hd4000 gpu came out only for OEM, and that the retail version is not in sight yet :/ Same for the cheapest i5 with the hd4000 gpu. It seems that either i will have to go with the Llano (which i don't really have a good feeling about to be honest :/ ) or to buy a i3 with a cheap videocard If i would go for a i3 with a cheap videocard that would be around the level of hd4000, what should i go with? I can get a 6570 for around 50 euro, which even is better then the Hd4000. Would that be a reasonable choice, or do u recommend another card? Which motherboard/psu would you recommend? 350-400 w psu should be more then enough i assume?
Just go G620+6570. G620 plays games surprisingly well. Get a H61 motherboard, preferably microATX/ITX. I don't know if they even make quality 300-350w PSU's, but you would want to get one with Sub 400w, as G620+6570 are power sippers. EDIT: Seasonic SS-350ET would probably be the best PSU for you.
Thanks for the help  i'm still debating if that gpu/cpu combo would be good enough for the sims 3 (it should run it , but not by a lot of margin according to system requirement test). I'll think that one over. |
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| zlalaman2 July 03 2012 10:52. Posts 1 | Profile # |
| I think we should update the homepage, it's a bit outdated. |
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| iTzSnypah United States. July 03 2012 10:53. Posts 1218 | Profile Blog # |
On July 03 2012 10:52 zlalaman2 wrote:
I think we should update the homepage, it's a bit outdated.
It got updated last month. |
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| MisterFred United States. July 03 2012 11:08. Posts 1817 | Profile # | |
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| aBstractx United States. July 03 2012 12:08. Posts 248 | Profile # |
Can anyone help me out with my stream? using xsplit, 20-25 fps, quality: 6. posting here because no response in the streaming thread.
i think it's fine on the viewers end but i feel the lag which is the worst.
i got an i52500k
8 gb ddr3 ram
Radeon HD 6770 1GB
i like to play the game on specific setttings. everything on low except a few cpu heavy things on medium changes the graphics a bit and its just what i like personally.
keep in mind that im in newyork. these tests are just as far possible in west and east coast like the op guide explained to do.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2039458572.png
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2039460320.png
Ive been messing around with different bitrates. i read you should use 20% less than what you're getting so i was using about 6,000. i get like 7-8 upload .
really the stream is great going out but the game itself has lag. i can play through it but if i ever needed to play good i would opt to not stream because it hinders my play. any ideas? i think the lag is the same on both medium and low settings inside sc2.Last edit: 2012-07-03 12:09:21 |
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| 1ManArmy Netherlands. July 04 2012 02:17. Posts 885 | Profile # |
I came up with the following build
Intel G620 € 49,80
GPU: CLUB3D Radeon HD 6670 € 62,90
PSU: Antec VP 350 € 32,00 (The seasonic 350 w one, was not available)
Ram: Corsair 8GB DDR3 1333MHz € 41,90
Motherboard: ASUS P8H61-M LE B3 Micro-ATX € 50,03
Discdrive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE € 15,80
Total : € 402,4
(I didn't pinpoint the lowest prices for these parts yet, so the price will be a bit lower i guess + i need a hdd obv.)
basically the only thing left is, to find a nice case.
Final point, i still have a networkcard laying here (TP-Link TL-WN851N 300M) and it wouldn't fit in my own case (antec threehundred two) because the metal front part where you have to attach it to the case is simply too big to attach. I thought all cards were a standard size, but apparantly that's not the case.
So i would like a case that would fit this networkcard.
Ty for the help Last edit: 2012-07-04 02:41:49 |
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| MisterFred United States. July 04 2012 02:35. Posts 1817 | Profile # |
I dunno about whether that card is non-standard or not. Sounds odd. Are you sure you tried to plug it into a PCI slot on the motherboard, not a PCI-E slot?
The motherboard you chose does have a PCI slot (#4, the other 3 are pci-e), so you'd be ok in that respect. |
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| 1ManArmy Netherlands. July 04 2012 02:44. Posts 885 | Profile # |
On July 04 2012 02:35 MisterFred wrote:
I dunno about whether that card is non-standard or not. Sounds odd. Are you sure you tried to plug it into a PCI slot on the motherboard, not a PCI-E slot?
The motherboard you chose does have a PCI slot (#4, the other 3 are pci-e), so you'd be ok in that respect.
Yeah the weird thing is, that it fits in the PCI slot, but when i tried to attach it to the case, the front metal part was simply to big to screw it in place 0_o |
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| dark_dragoon10 United States. July 04 2012 07:54. Posts 292 | Profile # |
Hey guys!
My friend is looking to build a computer. He said he has done some research and came up with this build:
Intel core I5 3570k -- $215
Asrock z77 extreme 4 mobo -- $140
Sapphire radeon hd 7850 -- $240
G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 4GB) Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1600MHz -- $56.5
Corsair Builder Series CX600 600 watt 80 Plus Certified Power Supply -- $60
Hitachi Deskstar 3.5-Inch 1TB 7200RPM SATA III 6Gbp/s 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive -- $80
Windows 7 64bit - $100
nzxtphantom 410 case -- $100
if bought from amazon it totals to $993 (this includes shipping and tax)
I'm not too sure what game he is making it for so I'm looking at overall gaming performance.
Now I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions to this build:
1. cheaper alternatives
2. better value alternatives (better parts for the money)
3. worthwhile upgrades
I welcome any and all suggestions.
Thank you guys! (sorry about posting it in its own thread, didn't know we had to post in here)
EDIT: added prices, amazon is cheaper due to no tax or shipping (and also some things are cheaper than newegg)Last edit: 2012-07-04 08:52:25 |
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| ensign_lee United States. July 04 2012 08:15. Posts 1017 | Profile # |
| You're prob going to have to post what prices he got for us to tell you if there are any better deals. That being said, seems like a good build. He might enjoy a SSD, but that's about hte only improvement I can make based on that. |
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| Myrmidon United States. July 04 2012 08:15. Posts 8487 | Profile Blog # |
600W power supply and Extreme4...planning on Crossfire down the line? Does it have to be from Amazon?
I didn't check pricing, but Ripjaws X is usually a little bit overpriced. Where are the aftermarket CPU heatsink and optical drive?
Possible upgrades are getting an SSD and getting something of higher quality than Corsair CX series (not bad at all, but it has a sleeve bearing fan and cheapish construction, potential standby coil whine issues). |
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| ShaunO United States. July 04 2012 08:46. Posts 44 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
$300-600
resolution - 1360x1024
use -
strictly gaming, 99% building this desktop for starcraft 2 multiplayer, thats why low budget. But would be nice to be able to play a couple other games out there too. I'm not even looking for running SC2 on ultra graphics, i prefer low graphics settings when laddering but my laptop right now is just getting old and not running the game well anymore.
upgrade cycle -
2+ years, obviously i want it to last as long as possible, but I could upgrade parts within 2 year probably too
when I plan on buying - ASAP
overclocking - no
OS - I have a OS already, windows 7 64bit
no second GPU
where do i plan on buying the parts? - newegg, tigerdirect
thanks for any help/advice you can provide. I am pretty new to this and I have a buddy who's helping out but I really want to get everyones opinion on here too! |
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| dark_dragoon10 United States. July 04 2012 09:07. Posts 292 | Profile # |
On July 04 2012 08:15 Myrmidon wrote:
600W power supply and Extreme4...planning on Crossfire down the line? Does it have to be from Amazon?
I didn't check pricing, but Ripjaws X is usually a little bit overpriced. Where are the aftermarket CPU heatsink and optical drive?
Possible upgrades are getting an SSD and getting something of higher quality than Corsair CX series (not bad at all, but it has a sleeve bearing fan and cheapish construction, potential standby coil whine issues).
were not sure on the heatsink, any reccomendations? also we have a spare dvd drive laying around we are gonna give him
also i updated my post with pricesLast edit: 2012-07-04 09:08:06 |
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| Ata Canada. July 04 2012 09:15. Posts 268 | Profile # |
On July 04 2012 08:46 ShaunO wrote:
What is your budget?
$300-600
resolution - 1360x1024
use -
strictly gaming, 99% building this desktop for starcraft 2 multiplayer, thats why low budget. But would be nice to be able to play a couple other games out there too. I'm not even looking for running SC2 on ultra graphics, i prefer low graphics settings when laddering but my laptop right now is just getting old and not running the game well anymore.
upgrade cycle -
2+ years, obviously i want it to last as long as possible, but I could upgrade parts within 2 year probably too
when I plan on buying - ASAP
overclocking - no
OS - I have a OS already, windows 7 64bit
no second GPU
where do i plan on buying the parts? - newegg, tigerdirect
thanks for any help/advice you can provide. I am pretty new to this and I have a buddy who's helping out but I really want to get everyones opinion on here too!
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| ShaunO United States. July 04 2012 10:33. Posts 44 | Profile # |
On July 04 2012 09:15 Ata wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 08:46 ShaunO wrote:
What is your budget?
$300-600
resolution - 1360x1024
use -
strictly gaming, 99% building this desktop for starcraft 2 multiplayer, thats why low budget. But would be nice to be able to play a couple other games out there too. I'm not even looking for running SC2 on ultra graphics, i prefer low graphics settings when laddering but my laptop right now is just getting old and not running the game well anymore.
upgrade cycle -
2+ years, obviously i want it to last as long as possible, but I could upgrade parts within 2 year probably too
when I plan on buying - ASAP
overclocking - no
OS - I have a OS already, windows 7 64bit
no second GPU
where do i plan on buying the parts? - newegg, tigerdirect
thanks for any help/advice you can provide. I am pretty new to this and I have a buddy who's helping out but I really want to get everyones opinion on here too!
I saw this build a few pages back before I made my post. Where can I afford to skimp on this price. Do I need an i5? Does case make a difference? can i find a cheaper one and use that? Thanks guys!
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