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| Puph Canada. July 21 2012 15:55. Posts 606 | Profile # |
| Ah yes, it is all falling into place. What you say makes perfect sense to me and I am proud. Now i'm scared I used random screws to screw in things though.. Damn. Gonna look at it with morning light, thank you so much for the near instant assistance, it is much appreciated!! |
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| CaffeineFree-_- United States. July 21 2012 17:08. Posts 641 | Profile Blog # |
| Looking to make a computer to replace my old old old one from 2007 xD, mainly because of GW2. Quick question, on a budget not looking to splurge would it be reasonable/possible to try and build a computer that could handle massive WvW at max settings with 60 fps? I know how crazy shit can get there :X |
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| Linz Belgium. July 21 2012 17:26. Posts 135 | Profile # |
On July 21 2012 14:24 Medrea wrote:
That being said, are you building now or in September? Because things change greatly month to month.
Well, I'd need him end of September, so building it anytime from now until September.
Edit: oh, and could you explain why exactly:
On July 21 2012 14:24 Medrea wrote:
Alienware is starting to become an in-joke in the PC community now.
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| Rachnar France. July 21 2012 17:46. Posts 1423 | Profile # | |
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| Linz Belgium. July 21 2012 18:38. Posts 135 | Profile # |
Yes, I'm a student. (why? Sorry for asking all these nooby questions)
Thanks a lot already! |
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| Rachnar France. July 21 2012 19:02. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
| you can get a discount for the OS Last edit: 2012-07-21 19:06:23 |
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| Linz Belgium. July 21 2012 19:12. Posts 135 | Profile # |
| Ah, of course. Thanks a lot! |
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| Mackem United Kingdom. July 21 2012 20:11. Posts 376 | Profile # |
I got a new replacement motherboard recently after my old one bummed out (Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3). The RAM was working fine this morning. I rebooted my computer and now the PC won't boot. THE DRAM_LED on my board is lit up. I quickly realised that my PC would only boot when the RAM is set to 1333MHz. If I try to use 1600MHz, the DRAM_LED is lit up and my monitor is just black (as though my PC isn't even on). I have tried a lot of things and I am the end of my tether. I have tried:
Using 1 DIMM and using them in different slots - Still won't work at 1600MHz
Updating the BIOS
Resetting all of the BIOS settings to default
Clearing the RTC RAM by moving the jumper
I just cannot fathom what is wrong when this exact RAM was running at 1600MHz a couple of weeks ago, I now get messages saying 'Overclocking failed!' and have to press F1 and set the RAM at 1333MHz so that my PC will actually boot.
Basically, RAM worked fine at 1600MHz in old motherboard. Got exact same model as replacement, RAM only runs at 1333MHz in the blue slots and at 1066MHz in the black slots.
I sent the motherboard back to the supplier because I had some bent USB header pins and stuff, so they got it repaired. Anyway, they tested my motherboard, CPU and RAM and they got it to run at 1600MHz with stock settings (So they say) but when I've gotten it back, I have the same issues as before; I had to put the DIMM modules into the blue slots on my Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 (w/ latest BIOS) and I had to press the DRAM_LED to get it to boot.
This then set the RAM to 1066MHz with a voltage of 1.55V and timings of 8-8-8-20 instead of 9-9-9-24. If I try to use X.M.P profile, won't boot. If I try to put set frequency, voltages and timings manually, won't boot. I am starting to think it could be a memory issue or something else silly (What else could it be?).
Just for the record, my PC specs are:
Corsair 400R Case
Intel i5 2500K Processor
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Heatsink
Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 motherboard with latest BIOS
Corsair 8GB Vengeance DDR3 RAM
PNY GTX 560Ti 1GB Graphics card
Antec Neo ECO 620W Power supply
I'm just at the end of my tether and it's starting to get to the point where I have to constantly have the side panel off every day because when I shut the PC down and turn it back on the next day, the DRAM_LED is lit even though I didn't change/reset any settings in the BIOS relating to the RAM.
Sorry for the massive post, but I would appreciate it if anyone could help.
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 Womwomwom July 21 2012 20:57. Posts 5520 | Profile Blog # |
It happens. RAM could end up being faulty amongst other reasons. My g.skill kit doesn't run at 1600mhz anymore and I have no idea why...fortunately it does work at 1333mhz so I guess lucky me? Keep in mind I have tried the same sort of troubleshooting as you have done, except on a LGA1156 Gigabyte motherboard.
One of the pleasures of a DIY desktop is troubleshooting something as uncertain as this. Is it the RAM, the motherboard, CPU? Who the hell knows. It doesn't help that manufacturers can be fairly dishonest about RMA results. Last edit: 2012-07-21 21:13:40 |
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| Shauni July 21 2012 21:23. Posts 3832 | Profile Blog # |
Could be that the CPU is faulty, it actually happened to me before, I had 4 identical sticks and 3 of them worked perfectly, the fourth one didn't. Usually you'd think the stick was faulty, but it wasn't. Computer wouldn't even boot with the stick, even if i had no other sticks in.
Anyway can't you just get some new RAM and test with? Also I think it's better just running normal "low profile" stable sticks from like kingston or crucial. Corsairs current path of making 'gaming' RAM sticks is incredibly silly.
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| Mackem United Kingdom. July 21 2012 21:24. Posts 376 | Profile # |
On July 21 2012 20:57 Womwomwom wrote:
It happens. RAM could end up being faulty amongst other reasons. My g.skill kit doesn't run at 1600mhz anymore and I have no idea why...fortunately it does work at 1333mhz so I guess lucky me? Keep in mind I have tried the same sort of troubleshooting as you have done, except on a LGA1156 Gigabyte motherboard.
One of the pleasures of a DIY desktop is troubleshooting something as uncertain as this. Is it the RAM, the motherboard, CPU? Who the hell knows. It doesn't help that manufacturers can be fairly dishonest about RMA results.
Yeah I mean my RAM is currently running at 1066MHz. There are no bent CPU pins on the CPU itself or on the socket, which leaves the motherboard and RAM. I don't have another set of RAM to test otherwise I'd be able to rule that out almost immediately.
On July 21 2012 21:23 Shauni wrote:
Could be that the CPU is faulty, it actually happened to me before, I had 4 identical sticks and 3 of them worked perfectly, the fourth one didn't. Usually you'd think the stick was faulty, but it wasn't. Computer wouldn't even boot with the stick, even if i had no other sticks in.
Anyway can't you just get some new RAM and test with? Also I think it's better just running normal "low profile" stable sticks from like kingston or crucial. Corsairs current path of making 'gaming' RAM sticks is incredibly silly.
Well. unless Scan.co.uk's RMA team are completely useless, I can rule out the CPU. They said there was no damage to the pins on the CPU itself nor on the LGA1155 socket. I don't have any other RAM to test with and all of my friends have DDR2 machines, meaning I'll either have to buy new RAM and test it or RMA this Corsair RAM and get them to send some more out. Last edit: 2012-07-21 21:27:55 |
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 JingleHell United States. July 21 2012 23:19. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 21:23 Shauni wrote:
Could be that the CPU is faulty, it actually happened to me before, I had 4 identical sticks and 3 of them worked perfectly, the fourth one didn't. Usually you'd think the stick was faulty, but it wasn't. Computer wouldn't even boot with the stick, even if i had no other sticks in.
Anyway can't you just get some new RAM and test with? Also I think it's better just running normal "low profile" stable sticks from like kingston or crucial. Corsairs current path of making 'gaming' RAM sticks is incredibly silly.
Well, from a marketing standpoint, it's actually genius, no matter how frustrating it can be. |
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| Womwomwom July 21 2012 23:34. Posts 5520 | Profile Blog # |
Definitely. From a business standpoint, they actually make money from the stuff which is probably what Corsair cares about, keeps them in business, and allows them to offer the nice support they tend to offer. They have lots of low profile RAM, just none that run at 1866mhz and 2133mhz which are probably only bought by insane people or complete suckers.
Gamers and "tech savvy" people are a fun market to deal with because they have a dangerous level of knowledge: they know a little bit (so what a CPU and PSU is) but not enough to make real sensible decisions. They also are extremely easily swayed and this is evident in how successful some ESPORTS endorsements are.
I don't mean understanding the really deep shit like understanding how memory controllers work but I mean the raw basics like why you don't need 650W for a typical desktop and you don't need a billion fans to cool a single CPU system.Last edit: 2012-07-21 23:46:20 |
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| Mackem United Kingdom. July 21 2012 23:45. Posts 376 | Profile # |
| I'm gonna RMA the RAM and if I have the same problems, the motherboard will be going back. I WILL get this sorted. |
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| Womwomwom July 21 2012 23:53. Posts 5520 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm actually interested in your story after you get this done. I'm fairly sure Corsair is still one of the nicer people to RMA with but I've heard a large number of complete disaster stories with Asus. Of course that could just be due to the sheer volume of them because to say their recent tablets/laptops are suffering from build issues is an understatement. |
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| Mackem United Kingdom. July 22 2012 00:10. Posts 376 | Profile # |
| Yeah, starting to regret going with the Asus board now, should've went for a Gigabyte or even ASRock. Hell, if things turn out worse than expected, I may just buy a ASRock Z77 Pro 4. |
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| Puph Canada. July 22 2012 01:27. Posts 606 | Profile # |
Hey eveyrone quick question. I just built a rig and I'm worried I used to the wrong screws to secure the mother board to the stand offs! My case came with sssooo many screws T_T
I believe I should be using fully cylindrical screws. They're quite l large. To secure my mother board Ii used standard dome-head screws. Any input on my choice of screw? sory for lack of pictures! |
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| Myrmidon United States. July 22 2012 02:21. Posts 8499 | Profile Blog # |
JH, didn't you have some RAM issue (one channel went out?) that was caused by the CPU not being seated completely properly? CPU cooler got knocked around?
It may be worth just reseating everything. Memory controller is on the CPU die, after all. Also, quadruple-check that the 24-pin ATX connector is very firmly seated. 3.3V for the memory VRMs comes through there, and loose connectors cause some voltage droop. I'd tend not to blame the CPU in general, since those are hard to destroy.
On July 22 2012 01:27 Puph wrote:
Hey eveyrone quick question. I just built a rig and I'm worried I used to the wrong screws to secure the mother board to the stand offs! My case came with sssooo many screws T_T
I believe I should be using fully cylindrical screws. They're quite l large. To secure my mother board Ii used standard dome-head screws. Any input on my choice of screw? sory for lack of pictures!
If it is mechanically stable, then it should be okay. I can't really tell what you're trying to say though. |
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| Mackem United Kingdom. July 22 2012 03:10. Posts 376 | Profile # |
On July 22 2012 02:21 Myrmidon wrote:JH, didn't you have some RAM issue (one channel went out?) that was caused by the CPU not being seated completely properly? CPU cooler got knocked around? It may be worth just reseating everything. Memory controller is on the CPU die, after all. Also, quadruple-check that the 24-pin ATX connector is very firmly seated. 3.3V for the memory VRMs comes through there, and loose connectors cause some voltage droop. I'd tend not to blame the CPU in general, since those are hard to destroy.
Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 01:27 Puph wrote:
Hey eveyrone quick question. I just built a rig and I'm worried I used to the wrong screws to secure the mother board to the stand offs! My case came with sssooo many screws T_T
I believe I should be using fully cylindrical screws. They're quite l large. To secure my mother board Ii used standard dome-head screws. Any input on my choice of screw? sory for lack of pictures!
If it is mechanically stable, then it should be okay. I can't really tell what you're trying to say though.
I mean I tried a lot of stuff. I loosened the screws a bit from my Hyper 212 EVO as well as slightly loosening the screws from the motherboard standoffs but still no dice.
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| Myrmidon United States. July 22 2012 03:13. Posts 8499 | Profile Blog # |
On July 22 2012 03:10 Mackem wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:21 Myrmidon wrote:JH, didn't you have some RAM issue (one channel went out?) that was caused by the CPU not being seated completely properly? CPU cooler got knocked around? It may be worth just reseating everything. Memory controller is on the CPU die, after all. Also, quadruple-check that the 24-pin ATX connector is very firmly seated. 3.3V for the memory VRMs comes through there, and loose connectors cause some voltage droop. I'd tend not to blame the CPU in general, since those are hard to destroy.
On July 22 2012 01:27 Puph wrote:
Hey eveyrone quick question. I just built a rig and I'm worried I used to the wrong screws to secure the mother board to the stand offs! My case came with sssooo many screws T_T
I believe I should be using fully cylindrical screws. They're quite l large. To secure my mother board Ii used standard dome-head screws. Any input on my choice of screw? sory for lack of pictures!
If it is mechanically stable, then it should be okay. I can't really tell what you're trying to say though.
I mean I tried a lot of stuff. I loosened the screws a bit from my Hyper 212 EVO as well as slightly loosening the screws from the motherboard standoffs but still no dice.
How would loosening the motherboard standoffs make a difference? Which screws on the Hyper 212 EVO? Are there ones that change the contact pressure? That still doesn't mean much with regards to what I said...not that I really think it's the CPU mounting. |
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