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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | Ata Canada. August 02 2012 06:29. Posts 268 | Profile # |
@ Hagog, You are better off getting a HD 7870 (a lil better performance, much lower power consumption) for abit cheaper instead of a 570.
@Iron Gecko, Never heard of an I3 quadcore. If you are looking at buying a computer, answer the questions in the OP and someone will give you a list of parts which should be close to optimal. |
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| fOrTT United States. August 02 2012 07:09. Posts 105 | Profile Blog # |
So I moved home from school recently and am looking to build a desktop. I've only used a crappy laptop for gaming for the past 6 years and really miss having the awesome power of a desktop.
Currently looking to build one on http://www.ibuypower.com but suggestions for cheaper/better sites would be great.
I'm no genius at building desktops and am totally NOT going to build this on my own. My current price range is ~$800-$1000, but am willing to put in a extra couple hundred if its worth it if you can please specify why. I don't use my computer for anything too extreme. I very rarely do video editting for fun, but it's very simple and don't need anything special for it. I'm building my tower mostly for gaming and efficiency. The games I play really just include SC2, WoW, CS:GO, & Dota2, but probably only because I've never really had a computer that could handle the high gfx games like Skyrim or anything like that, but would play them if I had the computer to. I also plan on eventually using my desktop as a small home theatre for my bedroom. I'm also thinking about maybe streaming for fun. I do not plan on upgrading for another ~3 years.
So far, this is what I KNOW I will be including in my tower:
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module (Do I need 8gb? or is 4gb okay? It's only for $43 more)
Primary hard drive: 120 GB ADATA S510 SSD
Data hard drive: 2 TB HARD DRIVE -- 64M Cache, 7200rpm, 6.0Gb/s
Optical drive: who cares
Sound card: going with whatever the motherboard comes with for now, as I don't care for sound quality much (until I plan to buy some nice speakers)
Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-3570 Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache), but open to opinions, this just seemed like the best price/speed
What I have no idea what to get:
Gfx card
Motherboard (must have wifi)
Case (mid-sized, need something with decent/great ventilation), I'm gonna pretty much let you guys pick this for me and I'll buy it as long as it looks cool lol
Liquid CPU processor cooling or regular?
Monitor & Speakers: this is something I do not care for much atm but will consider much more later, so any input will be great.
Power supply (I just know it has to be at least 550 watts... is the 80 PLUS certified power supplies really worth it?)
My biggest worry is overheating, as this happens ALL the time with my laptop.
My noob questions:
With what I've listed above for what I expect to use my desktop for, is the price of a Crossife/SLI setup (including the price of the applicable motherboard, power supply, etc.) worth it?
How significant is a liquid processor cooling system? (I won't be installing it cause I heard it's a bitch)
Is a sound reduction system worth it? I don't mind a mild humming noise at all, but will the computer make so much noise that I would need one?
To overclock or not?
Any other input would be great as I am pretty clueless.
Or in summary if you don't feel like reading, how would you build your desktop if you could blow ~$1000?
Thanks. |
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| skyR Canada. August 02 2012 07:20. Posts 11171 | Profile # |
There is no point in doing liquid unless you are overclocking quite a bit or want the PC to look "cool". Enclosed liquid heatsinks such as the Corsair Hydro series also suck in comparison to the radiator heatsinks such as the Noctua NH-D14 and Thermalright Silver Arrow.
Not sure what you mean by if the 80PLUS power supplies are worth it or not since every modern good power supply will be 80PLUS certified. A single GPU configuration does not need to be at least 550w.
Overheating is not an issue with desktops unless you don't mount the heatsink correctly or just be an idiot in general.
SLI / CrossfireX is not worth it unless you are planning to play at a resolution above 1920x1200 and play at absolute max / near max settings for every recent game.
You can get a USB or PCI / PCI-E wifi card, it doesn't have to be built into the motherboard.
Why the ADATA S510? It's a second generation Sandforce that uses asynchronous NAND, not many people would recommend this kind of SSD. A Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Intel 520, Plextor M3, etc would be better choices.
If you want to get 8GB of memory, get 4gb modules (2x4gb) instead of 2gb modules (4x2gb). |
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| Shauni August 02 2012 09:11. Posts 3832 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 07:09 fOrTT wrote:
Power supply (I just know it has to be at least 550 watts... is the 80 PLUS certified power supplies really worth it?
Oh god I swear he's looking at some 700w Diablotek non 80 plus on newegg in order to ask this question.Last edit: 2012-08-02 09:11:35 |
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 JingleHell United States. August 02 2012 10:27. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 09:11 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:09 fOrTT wrote:
Power supply (I just know it has to be at least 550 watts... is the 80 PLUS certified power supplies really worth it?
Oh god I swear he's looking at some 700w Diablotek non 80 plus on newegg in order to ask this question.
It could be... well, not worse, but similarly terrible, with like Apevia or some such shit. |
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| Myrmidon United States. August 02 2012 10:28. Posts 8484 | Profile Blog # |
Where are the pictures of that little kid that got a build here and assembled it? Anyway, if you won't do it yourself...
The default iBuyPower options give you some unknown junker, and in many of the configurators, the cheapest upgrade to something known is like $70 extra for a Corsair TX650 V2 (but in others, Corsair CX V2 options are available). x_x I was just looking at it a few days ago for somebody else's build.
You can crosscheck prices, but last time I looked, if you constrained yourself to getting some power supply that's not going to blow up, the best price for prebuilts was at AVADirect.
http://www.avadirect.com/desktop-pc-configurator.asp?PRID=24481
Select
Zalman Z9
XFX Proseries 550W
AsRock H77M
Intel i5-3470 + Show Spoiler +if you desperately want the extra 200 MHz, knock yourself out and grab the i5-3570 for $24 more
Crucial 2 x 4GB Ballistix Sport PC3-12800 + Show Spoiler +if the dumb heatsinks on the Ripjaws are just too sexy, they're $6 more if you want that instead
Gigabyte GV-R685OC-1GD + Show Spoiler +you can get a 7850 or something better than a 6850 here if you want, but be careful of pricing; be warned that this HD 6850 is not overpriced that much, while almost every other option is
Intel 120GB 330 Series SSD + Show Spoiler +don't even argue this please
Seagate 2GB Barracuda Sata 6Gbps 7200rpm, 64MB cache
Sony AD-7280S (DVD burner)
That's a touch above $900, but you'll go over $1000 if you need Windows. Add a USB wireless adapter to that.
What's your idea of a mild humming noise? |
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| MisterFred United States. August 02 2012 11:03. Posts 1816 | Profile # |
Yes. Pretty much anyone who can meet 5 criteria can build their own computer:
1) Purchased parts recommended by respected people like Myrmidon, Jinglehell, Shauni & SkyR from a place like the Computer Build Resource Thread (just picked the 4 posters above, sorry other experts!)
2) Can read with a 6th grade proficiency or better.
3) Possesses two functioning hands and a screwdriver.
4) Possesses ordinary functioning intelligence.
5) Has a few hours of time.
Children under the age of 14 should also have adult supervision.Last edit: 2012-08-02 11:04:37 |
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| Medrea August 02 2012 11:17. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
As soon as children obtain advanced motor control skills like the ability to grip and twist they can assemble a computer.
The mental skills are negligible since we are taught how to insert part A into socket B since before we were born since thats exactly how we WERE born. |
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 Womwomwom August 02 2012 12:16. Posts 5514 | Profile Blog # |
| The only confusing thing is hooking the front panel to the motherboard. Why haven't they standardized it yet? |
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| JingleHell United States. August 02 2012 12:20. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 12:16 Womwomwom wrote:
The only confusing thing is hooking the front panel to the motherboard. Why haven't they standardized it yet?
No idea. I assume they get together each year for a conference to make sure nobody fucks up.
Next you're going to suggest something batshit like better regulation on PSUs, like not being allowed to use model numbers that sound deceptively like a wattage rating. |
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| Medrea August 02 2012 12:45. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
| ASUS is the only one Ive seen do front panel connections correctly with the middle man plug. They also used to make those super cool SSD's already embedded in the motherboard. |
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| Bloomfielda Canada. August 02 2012 14:05. Posts 43 | Profile # |
Hey Fellow TL'rs,
I am looking to build a nice HTPC. My current one is about 4 years old, and I am looking for the next one to last the same. My knowledge of computer parts isnt what it was (career casualty), I don't have a hard budget, but I don't need it to be bullet proof, I just want it to be able to handle 1080p out (even though my receiver helps up-convert the feed), as well as HD streaming.
I figure I will want a 60gb SSD to install the OS and programs on, and use a few of my 1.5tb hdd's for media storage.
I have some things nailed down, like the case, but I don't know what is good to buy as far as;
-Ram - GSkill - (how much? 16gb DDR3 enough?)
-Motherboard - No clue
-Power supply
-CPU (prefer Intel)
-SSD (Brand, I know Intel is good, but how is Corsair? is 60gb enough for OS and programs to run HTPC)
-Video Card (Prefer NVidia, need HDMI out)
- Sound Card (is it needed with a good video card with HDMI out?)
Thanks for your help, I don't want it to be minimum parts, but I would like good value, im not against spending more on something that would make a noticeable improvement.
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| Scorevath United States. August 02 2012 19:42. Posts 42 | Profile # |
Sorry 1 last quick question! My build is above in the spoiler.
My cousin has two gtx 260 core 216 SC editions and recently upgraded his GPU. I realize these are old and probably out of date but he is offering to sell them to me for cheap. He used to run them in SLI but I'm not sure if I need that much power. Is one of the enough to run SC2 on Ultra @ 1920x1080? If now how high will the settings go on one of these? Also do they work with my current build?
Finally, how much is a reasonable price for 1 or 2 of these? They have been used obviously and are out of warranty.
Thanks!Last edit: 2012-08-02 20:40:47 |
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| seaofsaturn United States. August 02 2012 20:31. Posts 480 | Profile Blog # |
Hello. Hopefully someone has the time to help me out a bit. I am looking to build a PC for gaming(sc2, D3, rts, random indie stuff) and Adobe CS6. Budget is $1000 give or take.
I have a monitor: 1920x1200
I may add a second in the near future.
Here are the pieces I am looking at so far:
Processor:
Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Processor microcenter $190
Mobo:
MSI Z77MA-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS newegg $115
Memory:
Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) newegg $45
Graphics:
ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 newegg $240
HD: (just gonna get the SSD for now and get a data drive a little later)
SanDisk Extreme SDSSDX-120G-G25 120GB SATA 6.0Gb/s microcenter $100
So far it's about $700 so I am well under budget, but I don't really know what I am doing, so here are my concerns:
- Is it looking pretty balanced so far or did I pick something stupid? Specifically the motherboard I just kinda guessed.
- I am gonna be running Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator, and multiple browsers at the same time (for testing stuff). Is it worth it to get 16GB of RAM?
- What's a good power supply that won't blow up?
- Case: I just have a random fear that I am gonna buy everything and then it won't fit because I bought the wrong size. I want something with a simple, sleek design, don't need LEDs everywhere. Any suggestions or just the dimensions of the size of case I need would be very helpful.
- Do I need an adapter to install that SSD?
- Don't think I have the need to overclock, so I guess I don't need extra cooling?
Thanks to everyone who answers in this thread, you've already been a great help. |
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| InfectedGoat Canada. August 02 2012 22:31. Posts 352 | Profile # |
| Hey again! My new computer is sick I'm really happy thanks TL! But I have one more noob question for you, can I add a GTX 570 that I can get for 30$ in SLI or something to add more power or just plug in a different monitor? ? (Currently using the gtx 680) |
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| Rachnar France. August 02 2012 22:53. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
can you be more specific?
YOu have 1 monitor and want to use 2 ? |
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| seaofsaturn United States. August 02 2012 23:01. Posts 480 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 22:53 Rachnar wrote:
can you be more specific?
YOu have 1 monitor and want to use 2 ?
Well my main issue is gonna be desk space so for now I just wanna build it for the one 1920x1200 monitor. |
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| Morpheus.EU Netherlands. August 02 2012 23:17. Posts 24 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 22:31 InfectedGoat wrote:
Hey again! My new computer is sick I'm really happy thanks TL! But I have one more noob question for you, can I add a GTX 570 that I can get for 30$ in SLI or something to add more power or just plug in a different monitor? ? (Currently using the gtx 680)
No, you can only use another GTX680. Videocards need to be identical to do SLI. But what kind of monitor do you have that one GTX680 is not enough? |
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| skyR Canada. August 03 2012 00:22. Posts 11171 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 20:31 seaofsaturn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello. Hopefully someone has the time to help me out a bit. I am looking to build a PC for gaming(sc2, D3, rts, random indie stuff) and Adobe CS6. Budget is $1000 give or take. I have a monitor: 1920x1200 I may add a second in the near future. Here are the pieces I am looking at so far: Processor: Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Processor microcenter $190 Mobo: MSI Z77MA-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS newegg $115 Memory: Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) newegg $45 Graphics: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 newegg $240 HD: (just gonna get the SSD for now and get a data drive a little later) SanDisk Extreme SDSSDX-120G-G25 120GB SATA 6.0Gb/s microcenter $100 So far it's about $700 so I am well under budget, but I don't really know what I am doing, so here are my concerns: - Is it looking pretty balanced so far or did I pick something stupid? Specifically the motherboard I just kinda guessed.
- I am gonna be running Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator, and multiple browsers at the same time (for testing stuff). Is it worth it to get 16GB of RAM?
- What's a good power supply that won't blow up?
- Case: I just have a random fear that I am gonna buy everything and then it won't fit because I bought the wrong size. I want something with a simple, sleek design, don't need LEDs everywhere. Any suggestions or just the dimensions of the size of case I need would be very helpful.
- Do I need an adapter to install that SSD?
- Don't think I have the need to overclock, so I guess I don't need extra cooling?
Thanks to everyone who answers in this thread, you've already been a great help.
If you are not overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor and a H77 motherboard. K suffix processors and Z77 boards are for overclocking so you are throwing money away if you won't be doing so.
You can always add more memory later so it's not a big deal if you start with 2x4gb but ya if you are running all that at once, it's probably worth it to get 16gb.
Corsair 550D, Fractal Design Define R3, Antec P280 are cases that are simple, sleek, and sound dampening.
Rosewill Capstone 450 for the power supply, a very good unit at an awesome price.
Older cases won't have the 2.5" bracket to let you mount the SSD so if you are purchasing an older case and a SSD that doesn't provide an adapter (Crucial M4), yes you would need an adapter if you don't want to tape it to your case or leave it dangling from the cables. Newer cases such as the Corsair 550D and P280 have SSD brackets so there is no need for an adapter.
GTX 560 Ti is old. A 7850 would be better. |
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| MisterFred United States. August 03 2012 00:32. Posts 1816 | Profile # |
| Just to clarify for illgoat, a single 680 can connect up to 4 monitors if you're just talking about browsing, work windows, etc. So you don't need a second video card at all if you're just looking for more monitors being hooked up to your computer. |
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