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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | skyR Canada. August 03 2012 00:47. Posts 11181 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 19:42 Scorevath wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sorry 1 last quick question! My build is above in the spoiler. My cousin has two gtx 260 core 216 SC editions and recently upgraded his GPU. I realize these are old and probably out of date but he is offering to sell them to me for cheap. He used to run them in SLI but I'm not sure if I need that much power. Is one of the enough to run SC2 on Ultra @ 1920x1080? If now how high will the settings go on one of these? Also do they work with my current build? Finally, how much is a reasonable price for 1 or 2 of these? They have been used obviously and are out of warranty. Thanks!
Your motherboard isn't capable of SLI and your power supply is not enough for SLI but a single GTX 260 should be able to run it on ultra at 1080p. |
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| Scorevath United States. August 03 2012 00:49. Posts 42 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 00:47 skyR wrote:[spoiler]
Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 19:42 Scorevath wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sorry 1 last quick question! My build is above in the spoiler. My cousin has two gtx 260 core 216 SC editions and recently upgraded his GPU. I realize these are old and probably out of date but he is offering to sell them to me for cheap. He used to run them in SLI but I'm not sure if I need that much power. Is one of the enough to run SC2 on Ultra @ 1920x1080? If now how high will the settings go on one of these? Also do they work with my current build? Finally, how much is a reasonable price for 1 or 2 of these? They have been used obviously and are out of warranty. Thanks!
Your motherboard isn't capable of SLI and your power supply is not enough for SLI but a single GTX 260 should be able to run it on ultra at 1080p.
Perfect. What is a fair price for something like this? Given that it is probably out of warranty, highly used, and a couple of years old? |
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| skyR Canada. August 03 2012 00:52. Posts 11181 | Profile # |
EVGA -AR has lifetime warranty, assuming your cousin registered the card. Though the warranty isn't transferable, it shouldn't be a problem since you know your cousin, you can just get him to RMA the card if anything were to happen.
I wouldn't pay more than $50 for it. Just take him out to dinner? |
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| Myrmidon United States. August 03 2012 00:59. Posts 8493 | Profile Blog # |
GTX 260 core 216 SC should have performance somewhere in the $110 range. However, it's old, so it doesn't support DX11, it runs hot / loud / power hungry, warranty is gone, and driver support won't be as good in the future.
More than $60 would be pretty generous (gifting him), I would say. Hopefully he's offering something like $40. |
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| Nairi Finland. August 03 2012 06:06. Posts 75 | Profile # |
Hi team liquid,
I am planning on building a new computer and hoping for some advice on which parts to get from people with more knowledge than me :D
It will be for playing & streaming Starcraft 2,
With some added Photoshop and Adobe After Effects usage.
I live in Finland, europe so any tips on stores are appreciated.
I will likely not update within 2 years or so.
Looking to purchase within a week or so (unless there is a really good reason to wait a month or two)
Budget is around 1500 €, give or take.
Advice greatly appreciated :D |
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| Rachnar France. August 03 2012 06:57. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
| Do you need OS? Planning on OC'ing? Only gaming on SC2? |
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| JKM Denmark. August 03 2012 07:42. Posts 367 | Profile # |
I was redirected to this thread (thought this was only build your own PC, but apparantly not  ), so here goes again. I am looking for tips on buying a new PC and have looked up 4 builds from danish retailers I find interesting:
- I am looking for a PC that can run all current games and is in not a graphics enthusiast (ie. low settings = fine).
- I expect to use it atleast 2-3 years.
- I will not be overclocking it.
- No need for an OS.
I looked up some complete computers and found the following interesting
Computer 1:
Price: 906.85 USD / 746.47 EUR
CPU: Intel i5 3570K 3.4GHz (3.9GHz turbo) Ivy Bridge.
GPU: GTX560. (upgradeable to GTX570 (~+150USD) or HD7850 2GB (~+100USD)).
Motherboard: Asus P8777-V LX (SATA6, USB3).
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Hyper-X ram (Kingston).
Cabinet: Coolermaster Elite430
Misc:
- 750W.
- 500GB HDD (7200RPM (WD)).
- 6 USP ports (2.0 / 3.0).
- DVD burner / reader.
- 8CH soundcard.
- gigabit netcard (1000Mbit).
- 2xDVI, 1xMINI HDMI.
- Original CPU cooler.
Computer 2:
Price: 979.49 USD / 806.27 EUR
CPU: Intel i5 3570K 3.4GHz (3.9GHz turbo) Ivy Bridge.
GPU: Geforce GTX570 1280MB DDR5 (DVI, HDMI).
Motherboard: Asus H61.
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Hyper-X ram (Kingston).
Cabinet: ATX cabinet (Coolermaster Elite)
Misc:
- 700W.
- 500GB HDD (7200RPM (WD5000AAKX)).
- 6 USP ports (2.0).
- DVD burner / reader.
- 8CH soundcard.
- gigabit netcard (1000Mbit).
- 2xDVI, 1xMINI HDMI
- Original CPU cooler.
Computer 3:
Price: 979.49 USD / 806.27 EUR
CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.1Ghz, 6MB, Boxed w/fan.
GPU: Geforce GTX570 1280MB DDR5 (DVI, HDMI).
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155 m-ATX, B75, DDR3, 1xG3-PCIe-x16, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, VGA, DVI, UEFI
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240
Cabinet: Cooler Master Elite 430 Midi Tower Black fan: 1x 120mm Front, Blue LEDs, mATX, ATX, 2x USB, 1x Audio
Misc:
- Cooler Master GX Lite 600W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, Standard, 1x 4+4 CPU, 1x Floppy, 2x Molex, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA.
- Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB 2.5" OEM SATA 6Gb/s (SATA3.0) 520MB/320MB/s read/write
(nothing listed about DVD drive, etc. dno if included :O in price).
Computer 4:
Price: 929.70 USD / 765.28 EUR
CPU: Intel i5 3570K 3.4GHz (3.9GHz turbo) Ivy Bridge.
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX560 1GB GDDR5 S-Edition.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H (Ultra Durable 4)
RAM: 8GB HyperX DDR3-1600 RAM (Kingston).
Cabinet: Vision G-Series Gaming kabinet (std. cabinet).
Misc:
- 700W.
- 500GB HDD (S-ATA3 6Gb/s 7200rpm).
- 6 USP ports (2.0).
- DVD burner / reader.
- 6CH soundcard.
- Realtek gigabit netcard (100/1000 Mb/s).
I was told that building it myself would save money (naturally), so I'd like to ask about that as well.
1. A raw estimate of how much is saved compared to buying it assembled (10-20-30% etc).
2. Is it hard / diffult assembling the various components.
3. How does warranty work out?
4. Any caveeats that I should be aware of before venturing into such a thing.
5. Other stuff.
Assuming a budget in the range of 1000 USD (~820 EUR) and that I want a balanced computer, what would I then be looking at component wise? Or alternatively, looking at the PC's I've posted above the price of building something in that range.
TY :-)!Last edit: 2012-08-03 07:45:07 |
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| poundcakes Norway. August 03 2012 08:04. Posts 239 | Profile # |
| Retail computers are notorious for using terrible power supplies which is one of the most important parts since a faulty one can destroy your entire computer. I wouldn't say it's particularly hard putting it together. There's plenty of video guides on the web plus with the instructions available from the components you should be fine, it's mostly like assembling really expensive lego. Staying grounded is the most important thing to remember when handling sensitive electronics. |
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 JingleHell United States. August 03 2012 08:05. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 08:04 poundcakes wrote:
Staying grounded is the most important thing to remember when handling sensitive electronics.
I have to contest this. Staying grounded is at most second place. First is RTFM, by a landslide. |
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| seaofsaturn United States. August 03 2012 11:30. Posts 480 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 00:22 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On August 02 2012 20:31 seaofsaturn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello. Hopefully someone has the time to help me out a bit. I am looking to build a PC for gaming(sc2, D3, rts, random indie stuff) and Adobe CS6. Budget is $1000 give or take. I have a monitor: 1920x1200 I may add a second in the near future. Here are the pieces I am looking at so far: Processor: Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Processor microcenter $190 Mobo: MSI Z77MA-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS newegg $115 Memory: Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) newegg $45 Graphics: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 newegg $240 HD: (just gonna get the SSD for now and get a data drive a little later) SanDisk Extreme SDSSDX-120G-G25 120GB SATA 6.0Gb/s microcenter $100 So far it's about $700 so I am well under budget, but I don't really know what I am doing, so here are my concerns: - Is it looking pretty balanced so far or did I pick something stupid? Specifically the motherboard I just kinda guessed.
- I am gonna be running Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator, and multiple browsers at the same time (for testing stuff). Is it worth it to get 16GB of RAM?
- What's a good power supply that won't blow up?
- Case: I just have a random fear that I am gonna buy everything and then it won't fit because I bought the wrong size. I want something with a simple, sleek design, don't need LEDs everywhere. Any suggestions or just the dimensions of the size of case I need would be very helpful.
- Do I need an adapter to install that SSD?
- Don't think I have the need to overclock, so I guess I don't need extra cooling?
Thanks to everyone who answers in this thread, you've already been a great help.
If you are not overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor and a H77 motherboard. K suffix processors and Z77 boards are for overclocking so you are throwing money away if you won't be doing so. You can always add more memory later so it's not a big deal if you start with 2x4gb but ya if you are running all that at once, it's probably worth it to get 16gb. Corsair 550D, Fractal Design Define R3, Antec P280 are cases that are simple, sleek, and sound dampening. Rosewill Capstone 450 for the power supply, a very good unit at an awesome price. Older cases won't have the 2.5" bracket to let you mount the SSD so if you are purchasing an older case and a SSD that doesn't provide an adapter (Crucial M4), yes you would need an adapter if you don't want to tape it to your case or leave it dangling from the cables. Newer cases such as the Corsair 550D and P280 have SSD brackets so there is no need for an adapter. GTX 560 Ti is old. A 7850 would be better.
Thanks dude. I really like the Corsair 550d so I am gonna go with that, found a 7850 with HDMI ($230).
Here's my updated motherboard and processor.
GIGABYTE GA-H77-DS3H LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $90
Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W $200 with promo code
So with a wireless card, power supply and case I will be just under $1000, awesome.
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| SFGIANTS91 United States. August 03 2012 12:24. Posts 51 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
500 to 700 dollars
What is your resolution?
1600x900
What are you using it for?
Starcraft 2, BF3, internet, etc.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I am a student so probably 2 to 4 years
When do you plan on building it?
this month
Do you plan on overclocking?
i do not plan on over clocking
Do you need an Operating System?
i need one but i plan on buying windows seperately
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, just the one video card.
Where are you buying your parts from?
New Egg
EXTRAS:
my monitor i am purchasing is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009256
acer 20 inch wide screen 110$
1600x900
i am considering this mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540
69$
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
and i am curious because im playing only 1 maybe 2 games is it necessary to get an ivy bridge or is an I5 sandy bridge sufficient? i was looking at the following CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115089
179$
Intel Core i5-2310 Sandy Bridge 2.9GHz (3.2GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52310
I am puzzled by the video card, i have been told to go radeon but im not sure what is sufficient for my limited gaming and resolution.
thanks in advance!
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| Medrea August 03 2012 16:41. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
Built this badboy. Look at my pro shop skills.
+ Show Spoiler +
My protoype box is getting funny to look at lol.
Nothing like a bent piece of metal to make your L bracket out of.Last edit: 2012-08-03 16:42:41 |
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| Vic.nQQ Bulgaria. August 03 2012 17:34. Posts 85 | Profile Blog # |
Hey guys, I am looking to get a budget PC mainly for streaming LoL / SC2; gaming is a secondary objective, as long as I can run the latest games at low / medium with decent frame rate I am fine.
What is your budget?
Technically I am looking to spend $850-$875, but my country has a 20% VAT, so that would put me at $700-$730 range
What is your resolution?
1680x1050 is the monitor that I will be playing on. I plan to have a 2nd monitor with either the same or lower resolution, but it will be used purely for tasks such as displaying chat or showing the media player (so I will be 'gaming / streaming' only on the 1680x1050 one)
What are you using it for?
Well, I guess I answered that above, but for the sake of it - I will be using the machine to stream low requirement games such as LoL / SC2 at preferably 1080p (or something between 720p and 1080p considering that I have a different aspect ratio). Low-end gaming is a secondary goal and is not important
What is your upgrade cycle?
I plan to use this computer until the end of university, so 2-3 years without major upgrades. I can possibly add small features like an SDD or more RAM over time.
When do you plan on building it?
Pretty much within a week
Do you plan on overclocking?
The real question is - will I need it? I have a couple of sample builds that I have been tinkering pretty much the whole day yesterday, so please give me your advice on that.
Do you need an Operating System?
I get free win7 via MSDN, so no.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Considering that streaming is not affected by the GPU, the answer is no.
Where are you buying your parts from?
A local vendor. The pricing is mostly similar to what you'd find in all European stores, as long as you are not looking at discounted stuff
My latest brainstorming:
MB: ASROCK Z77 Pro4-M ($90.40)
CPU: INTEL CORE i5-3570K ($234.10)
CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Evo ($30.83)
GPU: SAPPHIRE 1024M HD6850 DDR 5 PCI-E /BULK/ ($143.90)
RAM: KINGSTON 2x4GB DDR III 1600 XMP ($52.00)
HDD: WD 1024GB 64MB SATA III Blue ($82.50)
PSU: FORTRON FSP500-60APN, 500W ($46.50)
Case: KME CX-5859 ($16.00)
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Total cost: $696.23 ($835.57 with VAT)
I DO NOT need Keyboard / Mouse / Headset / Monitor / Headphones / Speakers
This configuration is supposedly going to allow me to overclock the processor. The case is really random, honestly the cheapest one I could possibly find (supports both ATX and mATX), but in the end I felt like case is the only place where I can make a real cut in the cost. From the reviews I have seen, the Hyper 212 Evo allows for easy OC up to 4.7 ghz without even breaking into the 70 C, so it seemed like a good option.
So let's go with the questions:
1) MB: Should I care weather the MB is microATX or standard ATX considering what I am looking for / going for? mATX mobos simply seem cheaper and I am not likely to be using the extra expansion slots and if I ever end up getting a good GPU it would probably be wiser for me to buy 1 instead of using 2 (cost-wise).
2) CPU: Do I really need to overclock for streaming HQ? I'd be able to cut 70$ by going for a 3470 i5 and dropping the CPU cooler. With the MB I have chosen (it has no-k OC support) I should even be able to up the clock speeds of it by a few hundred. The other question also goes - do I need an i7 for streaming HQ LoL / SC2 at stable 60 FPS?
3) GPU: Considering that I don't really need a strong video card for LoL/sc2 I have decided on one that seems to be on the cheaper side while still alowing me to play all the games. I spent quite a lot of time reading up on benchmarks and reviews and I seem to like this one best, while I would have to cut something else in order to improve it. No real questions here, but I am open to suggestions.
4) Airflow - the case doesn't come with any fans; should I be looking to add any and if yes, how many (from the pictures I think that the case has slots for: 1x 120mm rear, 1x 120mm side and unknown size front)
Any help will be greatly appreciated (and rewarded with end result pics if you guys want )
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| Rachnar France. August 03 2012 18:15. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 16:41 Medrea wrote:Built this badboy. Look at my pro shop skills. + Show Spoiler +My protoype box is getting funny to look at lol. Nothing like a bent piece of metal to make your L bracket out of.
7870 with i guess 6870/6950 and what is the last? |
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| Medrea August 03 2012 18:20. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
7970 , 5770 , 5830 all slammed together.
Because I can. |
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| Rachnar France. August 03 2012 18:36. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
K, so i'm completly blind, i guess not sleeping all night doesn't help.
Nice setup |
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| knightwulf Canada. August 04 2012 00:37. Posts 163 | Profile Blog # |
Hi all,
I just finished university and want to reward myself with my first gift spent on me in 5 years. I do not know much about all the parts needed for building a computer .
- Budget: 1200-1500$
- Country: Canada, I can order online or purchase in person in Toronto, ON
- Resolution: 1920 x 1080 xs 2 monitors led 2ms response time
- Purpose: Gaming with Sc2 (and possible future games) and watching streams, I want to be able to play past 12 min games without my comp lagging like mad... I would love to be able to spilt my units in battles not A move and hope for the best as everything freezes.
- upgrade cycle: I am willing to update whenever needed... but i would like to have a great setup for the next 2 years without problem.
- buy time: I can buy today or whenever, I would like to have all the parts ordered by aug 31st
- Over clocking: I am not sure the purpose of it. I just don't want my comp to lag while playing sc2 on ultra settings (right now lag on min)
- OS: I have windows 7
- as for overkill? it is OK and appreciated I have 1500$ to spend and would like to 'spare no expense'
Do not have:
Case, motherboard, gpu, cpu, graphics card, ssd, ram, all other anachronisms i do not know what i need.
Have:
2 Monitors, steel series gaming headset, death adder mouse, steel series mechanical keyboard, Goliath mouse pad.
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| SRBNikola Serbia. August 04 2012 00:52. Posts 182 | Profile Blog # |
| Hey just came by to say that i bought BitFenix shinobi windowed black case, and i want to recommend it for everyone in price range of 50$ only problem is you dont get 3 pin converter for some power supplies so you need to get them on your own( its cheap), comes with 2 fans with 3 pins! |
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| skyR Canada. August 04 2012 01:04. Posts 11181 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 00:37 knightwulf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi all,
I just finished university and want to reward myself with my first gift spent on me in 5 years. I do not know much about all the parts needed for building a computer .
- Budget: 1200-1500$
- Country: Canada, I can order online or purchase in person in Toronto, ON
- Resolution: 1920 x 1080 xs 2 monitors led 2ms response time
- Purpose: Gaming with Sc2 (and possible future games) and watching streams, I want to be able to play past 12 min games without my comp lagging like mad... I would love to be able to spilt my units in battles not A move and hope for the best as everything freezes.
- upgrade cycle: I am willing to update whenever needed... but i would like to have a great setup for the next 2 years without problem.
- buy time: I can buy today or whenever, I would like to have all the parts ordered by aug 31st
- Over clocking: I am not sure the purpose of it. I just don't want my comp to lag while playing sc2 on ultra settings (right now lag on min)
- OS: I have windows 7
- as for overkill? it is OK and appreciated I have 1500$ to spend and would like to 'spare no expense'
Do not have:
Case, motherboard, gpu, cpu, graphics card, ssd, ram, all other anachronisms i do not know what i need.
Have:
2 Monitors, steel series gaming headset, death adder mouse, steel series mechanical keyboard, Goliath mouse pad.
Knightwulf
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| Pusekatten Norway. August 04 2012 01:07. Posts 231 | Profile # |
| JKM are you buying it from komplett or some other place? And would you be so kind to pm me the links to the different computers? |
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