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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | Jemah United States. August 22 2012 05:34. Posts 74 | Profile # |
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On August 22 2012 05:30 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:48 Jemah wrote:
A very simple question: I have a Gateway LX6810-01 model computer which I bought in 2009; is it possible to switch out some parts and stream SC2 in low quality at 1280x800 resolution with at least 60 or more FPS, or do I need to build a brand new computer?
Streaming is processor-limited, so you'd need to upgrade the processor. But that would mean upgrading the motherboard and the RAM. So while it's possible to do the computer equivalent of a heart-lung-transplant, it's not very economical and it's bext to go for a completely new system (salvaging hard disk and DVD drive).
My RAM cards are not reusable? I have an 8GB which I think is sufficient enough for SC2 / streaming is it not? Would just switching out the processor/ GPU do the trick as long as they work with my MOBO?Last edit: 2012-08-22 06:09:05 |
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| poundcakes Norway. August 22 2012 05:53. Posts 239 | Profile # |
| The RAM from that computer is DDR2, if you're buying current generation motherboards they only support DDR3 RAM. |
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| Jemah United States. August 22 2012 05:56. Posts 74 | Profile # |
| Okay, thanks poundcakes. I was just being stubborn, I guess. Sorry! Along with the HD/DVD drive, is the PSU still reusable or no? Last edit: 2012-08-22 05:56:47 |
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| Wabbit United States. August 22 2012 05:59. Posts 1007 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 05:34 Jemah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2012 05:30 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:48 Jemah wrote:
A very simple question: I have a Gateway LX6810-01 model computer which I bought in 2009; is it possible to switch out some parts and stream SC2 in low quality at 1280x800 resolution with at least 60 or more FPS, or do I need to build a brand new computer?
Streaming is processor-limited, so you'd need to upgrade the processor. But that would mean upgrading the motherboard and the RAM. So while it's possible to do the computer equivalent of a heart-lung-transplant, it's not very economical and it's bext to go for a completely new system (salvaging hard disk and DVD drive).
My RAM cards are not reusable? I have an 8GB which I think is sufficient enough for SC2 / streaming is it not? Would just switching out the processor/ GPU do the trick as long as they work with my MOBO?
Unfortunately no, because it's DDR2. Everything uses DDR3 now.
Theoretically, your PC should be able to stream (checked your PC spec sheets, the CPU is a C2Q Q8200), albeit probably 480p at best and only if you have an exceedingly good upload speed (I would say at least ~1.5Mb/sec). In game performance will probably suck, and the stream will be pretty mediocre at best.
You can't just upgrade the CPU because there are no worthwhile upgrades for socket LGA 775. Unless you somehow miraculously were able to find a Q95xx/Q96xx for like $50. That would perform ~15-25% better than your current CPU, but still ~30% or more worse than a brand new ~$180 CPU (Core i5's).
Video card only affects what video settings you can use in game. Streaming is all about the CPU, as are minimum frame rates in SC2 for whenever there are large numbers of units. That's what makes playing SC2+streaming so difficult. |
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| Jemah United States. August 22 2012 06:08. Posts 74 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 05:59 Wabbit wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2012 05:34 Jemah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2012 05:30 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:48 Jemah wrote:
A very simple question: I have a Gateway LX6810-01 model computer which I bought in 2009; is it possible to switch out some parts and stream SC2 in low quality at 1280x800 resolution with at least 60 or more FPS, or do I need to build a brand new computer?
Streaming is processor-limited, so you'd need to upgrade the processor. But that would mean upgrading the motherboard and the RAM. So while it's possible to do the computer equivalent of a heart-lung-transplant, it's not very economical and it's bext to go for a completely new system (salvaging hard disk and DVD drive).
My RAM cards are not reusable? I have an 8GB which I think is sufficient enough for SC2 / streaming is it not? Would just switching out the processor/ GPU do the trick as long as they work with my MOBO?
Unfortunately no, because it's DDR2. Everything uses DDR3 now. Theoretically, your PC should be able to stream (checked your PC spec sheets, the CPU is a C2Q Q8200), albeit probably 480p at best and only if you have an exceedingly good upload speed (I would say at least ~1.5Mb/sec). In game performance will probably suck, and the stream will be pretty mediocre at best. You can't just upgrade the CPU because there are no worthwhile upgrades for socket LGA 775. Unless you somehow miraculously were able to find a Q95xx/Q96xx for like $50. That would perform ~15-25% better than your current CPU, but still ~30% or more worse than a brand new ~$180 CPU (Core i5's). Video card only affects what video settings you can use in game. Streaming is all about the CPU, as are minimum frame rates in SC2 for whenever there are large numbers of units. That's what makes playing SC2+streaming so difficult.
Thank you for this explanation! I will begin finding parts for a new build.Last edit: 2012-08-22 06:09:58 |
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| Kiromaki Canada. August 22 2012 07:03. Posts 16 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 04:11 Ata wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:18 Kiromaki wrote:
Hello, I'm looking to build a pc and upgrade my old one. I've had my recent one for 4 years and its time for an upgrade!
For my budget, I'm looking at spending around 700-900$. I already have a video card from my old pc which is the nvidia gtx 560 ti 2gb. Other than that, I'll need everything else, including a case, ram etc. I have Windows 7 and I plan to buy a new monitor which isn't in the budget, but you can add it in the recommendation.
I want to run dual monitors with this PC, and my current monitor runs at 1600 resolution.
I plan to build this asap meaning as soon as I get a good recommendation, I'll be ordering the parts, so a quick reply would be great. I may plan to run SLI with 2 graphics cards later on, but not at this time, and I also don't plan to overclock it.
Lastly, I'm using this computer for gaming only. Guild wars 2, league, any new game that comes out etc. I'm buying my parts from tiger direct. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. If you have any more questions just ask.
Why tiger direct? Can you purchase from NCIX?
I can, I just said tiger cause i'd probably go to the one I live near and buy the parts from it. But I can order from them online, anything is fine. I just need a good recommendation build for my budget and everything, and I hope someone can recommend me a build |
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| XenoJesus United States. August 22 2012 09:25. Posts 71 | Profile # |
Yo d00ds,
Friend of mine is trying to replace his laptop that died with a desktop.
What is your budget?
$600.
What is your resolution?
1280x720
What are you using it for?
Mostly a laptop replacement. The laptop was able to run CS:S. It's for my friend and he said he'll do some gaming, but nothing too serious.
What is your upgrade cycle?
1-2 years.
When do you plan on building it?
By the end of the month.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope.
Do you need an Operating System?
Don't think so.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nah.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg.
thanks d00ds! |
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| Jemah United States. August 22 2012 10:39. Posts 74 | Profile # |
So with a help of my friend, I put together this:
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Basically, I want a build for streaming SC2 in low quality/resolution as long as I get good FPS and smooth gameplay. What do you guys think of this build? Will it do the job? Would you recommend replacing any parts with something else? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!Last edit: 2012-08-22 10:39:41 |
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| Ata Canada. August 22 2012 10:44. Posts 268 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 07:03 Kiromaki wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:11 Ata wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:18 Kiromaki wrote:
Hello, I'm looking to build a pc and upgrade my old one. I've had my recent one for 4 years and its time for an upgrade!
For my budget, I'm looking at spending around 700-900$. I already have a video card from my old pc which is the nvidia gtx 560 ti 2gb. Other than that, I'll need everything else, including a case, ram etc. I have Windows 7 and I plan to buy a new monitor which isn't in the budget, but you can add it in the recommendation.
I want to run dual monitors with this PC, and my current monitor runs at 1600 resolution.
I plan to build this asap meaning as soon as I get a good recommendation, I'll be ordering the parts, so a quick reply would be great. I may plan to run SLI with 2 graphics cards later on, but not at this time, and I also don't plan to overclock it.
Lastly, I'm using this computer for gaming only. Guild wars 2, league, any new game that comes out etc. I'm buying my parts from tiger direct. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. If you have any more questions just ask.
Why tiger direct? Can you purchase from NCIX?
I can, I just said tiger cause i'd probably go to the one I live near and buy the parts from it. But I can order from them online, anything is fine. I just need a good recommendation build for my budget and everything, and I hope someone can recommend me a build
If I were you, I would ask again on Wend. night, thats when NCIX put up their weekly sales. You missed on the good deals (sold out) and there arnt any nice average deals. |
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| MisterFred United States. August 22 2012 12:12. Posts 1821 | Profile # |
On August 21 2012 22:39 SoniCShiftY wrote:What is your budget?£800 GBP - $1250 USD at current exchange rates + Show Spoiler +
What is your resolution?
1920*1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming - Would like it to be able to run Dota 2, CS:GO on high or more settings with a good FPS in multiplayer.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2+ years generally. Will sometimes upgrade gfx card / ram but MB etc 2 years +
When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible
Do you plan on overclocking?
No
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, Windows 7 64bit home edition would be fine, not too fussed about windows 8 coming.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Have a Nvidia Gefore gts450 I'd like to use to run a second monitor, not for a second game but more of web browsing or streams playing etc.
Where are you buying your parts from?
aria.co.uk
overclockers.co.uk
dabs.co.uk
ebuyer.co.uk
microdirect.co.uk
Notes
As mentioned, am looking to run all recent games on High settings or more with very good fps in multiplayer modes.
Would like 1 new gfx card in the build and would also like it to fit my old Nvidia Gefore gts450 which is PCI-e to run an old 2nd monitor 1600*900. Guess this effects the PSU etc.
Overclocking I'd rather not as it decreases the lifespan of components and with a high upgrade cycle I dont think its worth it.
The budget is max, it doesnt have to reach that of course. If there is a rig for less that runs at the settings I require then by all means let me know. Or on the other hand if it doesnt for that budget do let me know how much more I would have to spend to make it work.
Thanks for your help
Regards
James
It was a little hard to decide how to budget for your needs. On the one hand, the games you listed (Dota 2, CS:GO)have very low system requirements to run on maximum settings. You could do so pretty easily with a computer a one or even two hundred pounds cheaper than what I'm putting below. On the other hand, you said all recent games with good fps in multiplayer modes. That changes things drastically, as then you have games like BF3 which are not only very hard to run graphically, their larger multiplayer maps really benefit from a good solid, quad-core processor, not allowing skimping on any major components. Anyway, here's what I ended up with. I first put together a basic build, saw it fit your budget, then realized I forgot windows 7, so I downgraded the case & graphics card. The crossed-out items are the better (quieter in terms of case, more powerful in terms of graphics card) I originally had selected. Their replacements are a perfectly good budget case & a still-powerful graphics card.
Core components: 472 pounds
i5-3550, Asus mATX B75 mobo, 8gb 1333mhz ram, 660ti graphics card, 7870 graphics card.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/nda-=-29-april-2012-intel-core-i5-3550-s2011-retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-xms-ddr3-pc3-10666-(1333)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-15v
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-asus-radeon-hd-7870-directcu-ii-28nm-4840mhz-gddr5-gpu-1010mhz-1280-cores-dl-dvi-i-hdmi-2x-mini-
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-msi-gtx-660-ti-power-edition-oc-28nm-6008mhz-gddr5-gpu-1019mhz-boost-1097mhz-cores-1344-2x-dl-dv
Supporting components: 231 pounds
Fractal Design R3 sound-dampening case Antec One case, BeQuiet! 430w PSU (yes this is more than enough wattage), Samsung 830 128gb SSD, Seagate 1TB HDD, DVD-burner.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/fractal-design-define-r3-usb-30-black-pearl-mid-tower-case-new-cable-routing-noise-absorbing-w-o-psu
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-one-black-mid-tower-performance-case-with-usb-30-w-o-psu
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/430w-be-quiet!-pure-power-l7-80plus-120mm-quiet-fan-atx-psu
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/128gb-samsung-830-series-ssd-basic-kit-sata-iii-read-520mb-s-write-320mb-s
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-barracuda-720014-sata-6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-cache-8ms-ncq-oem
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/samsung-writemaster-sh-s222bb-bebe-22x-dvdr-12x-dvdr-dvdplusrw-x8-rw-x6-sata-black-oem
Windows 7: 78 pounds
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-sp1-operating-system-single-oem
Total: 852 pounds 781 pounds.
Now I just looked at scan.co.uk, because it's the retailer whose interface I know the best in your region and they're usually pretty decent on prices. Feel free to look around at other retailers if you want. Also, I don't know what their shipping costs will be, but all prices include tax.
Best ways to increase budget: include the crossed out items instead of their replacements
Best ways to reduce budget:
downgrade the GPU, all the way to a 6870 or gtx 560 is reasonable if you don't mind medium graphics settings for games like BF3.
downgrade the CPU, an i3-21XX will be good for the vast majority of games, only a few exceptions like BF3
eliminate the SSD |
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| Medrea August 22 2012 18:40. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
Got my XFX 7970GE in today.
Heats up to 80C at idle temperatures (no fan blockage or anything). Instantly spikes to well past 100C if I put it under any kind of load and then shuts off.
Looks like its RMA time. |
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 Womwomwom August 22 2012 18:44. Posts 5517 | Profile Blog # |
| Probably. Its also probably because of XFX. I'd never buy from them. There are just too many horror stories about their aftermarket coolers and warranty service to be just a few noisy customers. Last edit: 2012-08-22 18:45:31 |
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| Medrea August 22 2012 18:59. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
Yeah Im refunding my old XFX card as well for a similar problem, it gets hot, but THAT card is still quite operational. Unlike this one, which is just sad.
By the way thats 80C idle while I run the fans at 75 percent.
EDIT: My relationship with XFX.
Once bought a 9800GT. After about a year it had artifacting (VRAM was busted). They replaced it. Later on I found bitcoin.
Bought a 7970. Card is operational but it overheats (by itself its very much ok)
Bought a 7970GE. Card is borked. Not sure what happened to be honest. Must be really poor thermal paste application.Last edit: 2012-08-22 20:57:28 |
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| Xiniun August 23 2012 06:38. Posts 14 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
800£
What is your resolution?
1920x1080.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, and maybe some low-mid quality streaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
Maybe 3-4 years?
When do you plan on building it?
In the upcoming one or two weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
no
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes maybe in a year or so.
Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.pricerunner.com/
I would like an SSD harddrive if that is managable, because I've got an external harddrive which I save all the heavy data on 
Thanks beforehand!
EDIT: I will be running windows 7 if that makes any difference.Last edit: 2012-08-23 21:40:51 |
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| Kiromaki Canada. August 23 2012 08:13. Posts 16 | Profile # |
I got a friend to recommend a build for me, can someone give their opinion on the system?
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770S BX806237i73770S Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.10GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 65W, Fan, Retail CPU I69-3770S BX806237i73770S $309.97
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77 Express, 2667MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready MoBo M452-8420 Z77A-G45 $134.97
Power Supply: OCZ OCZ-ZS750W ZS Series Power Supply - 750W, 80 Plus Bronze, 135mm Fan, Active PFC, Single +12V Rail PSU O261-0702 OCZ-ZS750W $103.99
Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 16GB Desktop Memory Module - 1600MHz, 4x4096MB, PC12800, DDR3, Non-ECC, Unbuffered RAM C13-5706 CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 $99.99
Program Drive: Western Digital WD2500AAKX Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 250GB, 3.5", SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 16MB System Drive
YYI2-35250P WD2500AAKX $67.99
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 1TB, 3.5", SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 32MB Program Drive TSD-1000EALX WD10EALX $89.97
Case: Ultra XBlaster Mid-Tower V2 Case - ATX, MicroATX, USB 2.0, Audio, 6x 3.5" Bays, 4x 5.25" Bays, 7x PCI Slots, Lifetime Warranty with Registration CASE U12-41570 U12-41570 $34.99
DVD: Lite-On IHAS124-04 Internal DVD Writer - DVD+R 24X, DVD-R 24X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, DVD+R DL 8X, SATA (OEM) DVD L12-1312 OEM IHAS124-04 $17.97
Fan: Kingwin 120mm Long Life Bearing Case Fan FAN K450-4014 CF-12LB $6.99
Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 560ti 2GB (already have this card)
These are from tiger direct.
How is this build? My budget was 700-900, and I don't plan on upgrading in a few years minimum.
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| skyR Canada. August 23 2012 08:19. Posts 11181 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 08:13 Kiromaki wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I got a friend to recommend a build for me, can someone give their opinion on the system?
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770S BX806237i73770S Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.10GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 65W, Fan, Retail CPU I69-3770S BX806237i73770S $309.97
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77 Express, 2667MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready MoBo M452-8420 Z77A-G45 $134.97
Power Supply: OCZ OCZ-ZS750W ZS Series Power Supply - 750W, 80 Plus Bronze, 135mm Fan, Active PFC, Single +12V Rail PSU O261-0702 OCZ-ZS750W $103.99
Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 16GB Desktop Memory Module - 1600MHz, 4x4096MB, PC12800, DDR3, Non-ECC, Unbuffered RAM C13-5706 CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 $99.99
Program Drive: Western Digital WD2500AAKX Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 250GB, 3.5", SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 16MB System Drive
YYI2-35250P WD2500AAKX $67.99
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 1TB, 3.5", SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 32MB Program Drive TSD-1000EALX WD10EALX $89.97
Case: Ultra XBlaster Mid-Tower V2 Case - ATX, MicroATX, USB 2.0, Audio, 6x 3.5" Bays, 4x 5.25" Bays, 7x PCI Slots, Lifetime Warranty with Registration CASE U12-41570 U12-41570 $34.99
DVD: Lite-On IHAS124-04 Internal DVD Writer - DVD+R 24X, DVD-R 24X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, DVD+R DL 8X, SATA (OEM) DVD L12-1312 OEM IHAS124-04 $17.97
Fan: Kingwin 120mm Long Life Bearing Case Fan FAN K450-4014 CF-12LB $6.99
Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 560ti 2GB (already have this card)
These are from tiger direct.
How is this build? My budget was 700-900, and I don't plan on upgrading in a few years minimum.
Build is terrible.
Don't waste your money on an S suffix procoessor. You can just get a regular 3770 and underclock / volt yourself if you want to.
Are you going to be overclocking or not? Z77 is for overclocking and a K suffix processor is needed to overclock. If you aren't overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor with a H77 board.
750w unit is overkill, OCZ ZS isn't that great of a purchase.
Don't k now why you need 16gb of memory. At $100, this is overpriced as well.
Why are you getting a 250gb HDD?? If you want a program drive, get an SSD...
Why are you getting an extra fan?
Shitty case. |
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| Ata Canada. August 23 2012 08:27. Posts 268 | Profile # |
| Answer the questions in OP and let the magic happen, you could always decide for yourself (with research), which build is better. |
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| Myrmidon United States. August 23 2012 08:32. Posts 8494 | Profile Blog # |
Just to be clear, what's a good build or not depends a lot on what you use the computer for, what your priorities and plans are. If we don't know those things, then it's impossible to evaluate whether or not the build is meeting those needs.
That said, many parts of the build don't particularly make sense for any purpose (even less for what the average person that comes here needs or wants, seeing that this is a gaming forum), so even without any side information, it's safe to say that the build has deficiencies.Last edit: 2012-08-23 08:32:22 |
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| Kiromaki Canada. August 23 2012 08:46. Posts 16 | Profile # |
Yeah I wasn't sure if the build was good or not, but looks like it wasn't. I'll fill this out and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction with a build.
What is your budget?
I plan to spend around 700-900$. I need everything, including a case. The only thing I'll be putting in the system that I already have is my graphics card, which is the EVGA gtx 560 ti 2GB.
What is your resolution?
Right now I'm running 1680x1050, but I plan on using this monitor as my second one, and I'm going to purchase a monitor with 1920x1080 resolution. You can recommend me one, but its not a part of the budget.
What are you using it for?
I'll be using it for gaming only. I plan to play games such as guild wars, bf3 when the premium edition comes out, and pretty much want to be able to play pc games smoothly as they are released.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'd like it to last 2-3 years or so.
When do you plan on building it?
I plan on building it as soon as possible. If all goes well and I find a good build, I'd be buying the parts asap.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't plan on overclocking it.
Do you need an Operating System?
No, I have windows 7 ultimate.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I do plan on adding a second graphics card, but not now.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am plan to buy my parts from tigerdirect, because its close to where I live, but I'm flexible and I can also buy them online from any other canadian computer part distributor. I'm looking for the best deal for my buck.
Would appreciate a recommendation. |
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