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| KOFgokuon United States. July 24 2010 22:50. Posts 11353 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2010 19:16 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Hey, I am not too much of an expert when it comes to computers so it would be great if someone of you could check this list and tell me if that makes sense or if I should replace some components. Thank you very much :-)
Cpu: i5-750
Mainboard: ASUS P7P55D (If you recommend another one, it should have 2 PS/2)
GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD5770
RAM: DDR Corsair 2x2GB 1333 (I read that DDR3 is not really better than DDR2 for most applications however the price is nearly the same)
HDD: 1000GB SAMSUNG HD103SI
SSD HDD: 64GB Kingston Technology 64GB SSDNOW V-SERIES V+ (putting Windows and Starcraft on it)
What kind of power supply would I need for that setup?
You can't even use DDR2 with that motherboard, so you HAVE to buy DDR3 ram
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| haduken Australia. July 24 2010 22:59. Posts 6901 | Profile Blog # |
For people buying laptops, I would recommend you to take a different approach.
The whole purpose of a laptop is its mobility. If you shopping on grunt then I feel that you should save your money and go for a desktop.
For me, the weight, build quality and warranty of a laptop are more important than say the size of the hard drive or graphic card.Last edit: 2010-07-24 22:59:27 |
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| ckw United States. July 24 2010 23:24. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog # | |
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| FragKrag United States. July 25 2010 01:01. Posts 11081 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2010 19:16 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Hey, I am not too much of an expert when it comes to computers so it would be great if someone of you could check this list and tell me if that makes sense or if I should replace some components. Thank you very much :-)
Cpu: i5-750
Mainboard: ASUS P7P55D (If you recommend another one, it should have 2 PS/2)
GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD5770
RAM: DDR Corsair 2x2GB 1333 (I read that DDR3 is not really better than DDR2 for most applications however the price is nearly the same)
HDD: 1000GB SAMSUNG HD103SI
SSD HDD: 64GB Kingston Technology 64GB SSDNOW V-SERIES V+ (putting Windows and Starcraft on it)
What kind of power supply would I need for that setup?
You really have no choice but to use DDR3. 4GB of DDR3 1333MHz shouldn't be that expensive anyways.
A 500W PSU should be fine for your build. The SSD NOW V-SERIES uses the old JMicron controller that was known for stuttering. Though they fixed it by adding cache, the performance is still nothing special. I would go for a 60GB OCZ Agility 2/Corsair Force/GSkill Phoenix/Mushkin Callisto/Patriot Inferno (whichever is cheaper because they use the same controller) |
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| skyR Canada. July 25 2010 01:32. Posts 11358 | Profile # |
The HP Envy is definitely lot better than most laptops I've seen for $1.2k.
I think you should definitely upgrade the screen resolution to 1920x1080 if you are going to buy it though =pLast edit: 2010-07-25 01:40:16 |
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| DeltruS Canada. July 25 2010 01:43. Posts 2101 | Profile Blog # | |
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| FragKrag United States. July 25 2010 01:59. Posts 11081 | Profile Blog # | |
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| KOFgokuon United States. July 25 2010 02:21. Posts 11353 | Profile Blog # | |
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| FragKrag United States. July 25 2010 02:36. Posts 11081 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200
please don't judge cards based on 3dmark points |
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 IntoTheWow is awesome. July 25 2010 02:42. Posts 31041 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200
3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware 
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| ckw United States. July 25 2010 03:55. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2010 01:32 skyR wrote:The HP Envy is definitely lot better than most laptops I've seen for $1.2k. I think you should definitely upgrade the screen resolution to 1920x1080 if you are going to buy it though =p
Sweet, thats what I thought when I saw this thing on "GrooveShark" as an advertisement. It's advertised as a music computer which is perfect for my job and the graphics card is one of the best I have seen on a sub 1,500$ lap-top. I will definitely buy this in a few weeks.. Thanks for the approval, only shame is that it is going to take 2 weeks for them to build/ship it to me... 
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| Craton United States. July 25 2010 04:07. Posts 10360 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:
What FragKrag said.
Yes. It's important that people take the time out to learn the difference between synthetic benchmarks and real-world benchmarks and performance (and that's not even mentioning the differences in architecture). |
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| DeltruS Canada. July 25 2010 04:11. Posts 2101 | Profile Blog # |
| I changed the case, psu and gpu. Graphics card is now Gtx 460 since I'd rather not have to replace it right away. |
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 Megalisk United States. July 25 2010 04:14. Posts 6095 | Profile Blog # |
| Hey guys if I was spending $800~ on a new computer, would I be able to use the GTX 460 or would I have to downgrade in order to fill all the parts in with my budget? |
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| semantics July 25 2010 04:16. Posts 8605 | Profile Blog # |
| I can def see a GTX 460 with like a 955 or something like that for that price, maybe even with an os. |
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| Megalisk United States. July 25 2010 04:17. Posts 6095 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2010 04:16 semantics wrote:
I can def see a GTX 460 with like a 955 or something like that for that price, maybe even with an os.
Yeah I'm gonna be getting Windows 7 at my uni for a much lower price than retail, so that may help a little. |
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| Myrmidon United States. July 25 2010 04:21. Posts 8553 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2010 03:55 ckw wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 01:32 skyR wrote:The HP Envy is definitely lot better than most laptops I've seen for $1.2k. I think you should definitely upgrade the screen resolution to 1920x1080 if you are going to buy it though =p
Sweet, thats what I thought when I saw this thing on "GrooveShark" as an advertisement. It's advertised as a music computer which is perfect for my job and the graphics card is one of the best I have seen on a sub 1,500$ lap-top. I will definitely buy this in a few weeks.. Thanks for the approval, only shame is that it is going to take 2 weeks for them to build/ship it to me...
Out of curiosity, what sound processing and music work are you going to be doing? Does it involve live recording? I'm kind of confused what would qualify the computer to be a "music computer" other than the fast CPU (and high RAM I guess). That laptop doesn't have a PC card slot, Expresscard slot, or optical out, as far as I can tell. Granted, any kind of external interfacing you'd do through a USB sound card? Audio stack performance is mostly about the OS, drivers, and configuration--not the computer hardware, if my thinking is correct. |
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| waffling1 July 25 2010 04:39. Posts 580 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200
3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware What FragKrag said.
even with large sample sizes?
then how do u go about doing it the right way?
when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another?
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| Megalisk United States. July 25 2010 04:48. Posts 6095 | Profile Blog # |
Ooo you are a gentleman and a scholar indeed!
Thanks yo! |
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