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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | Myrmidon United States. January 23 2012 07:36. Posts 8554 | Profile Blog # |
Their expertise is not as good in hardware, particularly these days with GloFo spun off, so their innovation has to be with the arrangement of x86 and GPU cores. Anyway, it's not like you can't innovate in multiple realms at once. A reimagining of architecture design is mostly independent of manufacturing process advancements.
Multi-compute may be a very old concept, but in theory it's a lot better, and it's probably where things are headed eventually. So if you design towards a future ideal rather than what's practical now, then that's forward-thinking in my books.
I don't know, maybe "forward-thinking" has too much of a positive connotation relative to the meaning I was trying to convey, so that's my bad. |
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| jacosajh January 23 2012 07:38. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
| Lol that reminds me of an EE who wired one of his remodeled rooms. Turns out wiring circuit boards is absolutely different. Inspection failed horribly for safety reasons. |
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| Myrmidon United States. January 23 2012 07:40. Posts 8554 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Medrea January 23 2012 07:42. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
On January 23 2012 07:36 Myrmidon wrote:
Their expertise is not as good in hardware, particularly these days with GloFo spun off, so their innovation has to be with the arrangement of x86 and GPU cores. Anyway, it's not like you can't innovate in multiple realms at once. A reimagining of architecture design is mostly independent of manufacturing process advancements.
Multi-compute may be a very old concept, but in theory it's a lot better, and it's probably where things are headed eventually. So if you design towards a future ideal rather than what's practical now, then that's forward-thinking in my books.
I don't know, maybe "forward-thinking" has too much of a positive connotation relative to the meaning I was trying to convey, so that's my bad.
Oh I see what you are driving at. We're talking two different layers of the future of modern computing then.
On January 23 2012 07:38 jacosajh wrote:
Lol that reminds me of an EE who wired one of his remodeled rooms. Turns out wiring circuit boards is absolutely different. Inspection failed horribly for safety reasons.
What a dumbass.
Well yeah. I mean, the ability to bullshit at such technological levels is crazy. Bottom-liners arent gonna know the difference.
I am proud to say that IEEE members hold to the code rather well however. Software Engineers seemingly break their subsection at every corner though. Im not sure why an Electrical Engineer is arguing about AMD being better because it has more cores, however.Last edit: 2012-01-23 07:54:44 |
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 Womwomwom January 23 2012 10:57. Posts 5557 | Profile Blog # |
I don't think Bulldozer does badly in seriously multi-threaded tasks (its better than the i7 2600k if I remember correctly). I don't think anyone using it for professional use would even bother with overclocking or even care about overclocking headroom so Sandy Bridge's overclock potential doesn't really mean anything for the target market.
If you need a billion cores to smash through something, Bulldozer is actually very good. Anything else, Intel is obviously better but the "more cores = myth" isn't exactly true since it obviously is the reason why Bulldozer is competent at what it is designed for (the significantly higher power draw is a worry but that's another issue). I hoped they'd be able to achieve higher stock clocks, so single threaded performance wouldn't suffer as much, but welp AMD and GloFo never really meet the projected targets. Last edit: 2012-01-23 11:06:46 |
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| Myrmidon United States. January 23 2012 11:05. Posts 8554 | Profile Blog # |
| Bulldozer's also a lot larger than an i7-2600k, like by 30% (but smaller than Phenom II X6, so an improvement there), so it can't be any cheaper to make anyway. Also consider the fact that the i7-2600k has a substantial integrated graphics component that just gets switched off for all these comparative benchmarks. On the flip side, Bulldozer has considerably more I/O on board, even if it's not all enabled for the desktop versions. |
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| jacosajh January 23 2012 11:38. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
As a businessman, I understand the whole marketing / sales thing. But there's just something about Bulldozer that, if I were the marketing manager / VP, it would feel terribly wrong.
Then again, I've never been good at sales because I can't convince people to buy something (hard-earned cash or not) I know to be inferior. Even if I am getting something out of it.Last edit: 2012-01-23 11:38:55 |
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| Womwomwom January 23 2012 12:00. Posts 5557 | Profile Blog # |
Obviously AMD thinks that too since they pretty much wiped their whole marketing and PR force off the face of the planet.
Marketing is an alien concept for most companies so its a good thing AMD killed off their dead weight. To be honest, its actually not very difficult if you have an extremely strong product to show off...and what you do is exactly show off the product in real life situations. Most, however, don't and rely on word of mouth to sell products (Dell Ultrasharps, Eizo/NEC monitors though to be fair, these don't need ads to sell) or stupid advertisements that appeal to people who already buy their products (those horrible, horrible Samsung Galaxy SII ads, AMD RETURN OF THE FX ads). Last edit: 2012-01-23 12:07:54 |
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| jacosajh January 23 2012 12:11. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
Well, part of marketing is reinforcing the brand image; not always necessarily getting new customers all the time. Which is why AMD did that whole i7 980x vs FX-8150 at ~1/3rd the cost video. We see how very powerful and effective it is because people obviously believe it.
It has to be reinforced with tangible results (eventually) though, so it only holds up temporarily.
Like Toyota had all of those defects in recent years. If Toyota continued that, it'd be a matter of time (maybe long) before the image of reliability associated with Toyota is shattered.
Edit: I never actually did see those videos anywhere but on YouTube -_- I would've thought they would be in more places.Last edit: 2012-01-23 12:12:53 |
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| TT1 Canada. January 23 2012 13:36. Posts 5683 | Profile Blog # |
making a post for major whos in korea atm, he needs a comp
What is your budget?
600$ but he mostly just wants to be able to stream on a good quality, say 720p'ish? the cheaper the better ofc
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
gaming + streaming for long hours
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
now
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no
Where are you buying your parts from?
wherever that ships to korea, ideally he would like to buy all the parts from 1 site just to simplify thingsLast edit: 2012-01-23 14:01:08 |
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| Myrmidon United States. January 23 2012 13:56. Posts 8554 | Profile Blog # |
It's hard to find parts in Korea I think, and even if there weren't that issue, you're not going to be able to stream SC2 at 720p with $500 worth of hardware (with the $100 left going to buy the OS), unless maybe on medium or lower settings.
Actually I'm not even sure if people have reported satisfactory places to purchase parts in Korea. |
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| MajOr Mexico. January 23 2012 14:02. Posts 229 | Profile Blog # |
On January 23 2012 13:56 Myrmidon wrote:
It's hard to find parts in Korea I think, and even if there weren't that issue, you're not going to be able to stream SC2 at 720p with $500 worth of hardware (with the $100 left going to buy the OS), unless maybe on medium or lower settings.
Actually I'm not even sure if people have reported satisfactory places to purchase parts in Korea.
i can be more budget i dont know if if matters but i play on mediums setttings on star 2 and i can order online 2 it dosent have to be a store in korea specifically please help me im so chobo at this  |
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| TT1 Canada. January 23 2012 14:13. Posts 5683 | Profile Blog # |
On January 23 2012 13:56 Myrmidon wrote:
It's hard to find parts in Korea I think, and even if there weren't that issue, you're not going to be able to stream SC2 at 720p with $500 worth of hardware (with the $100 left going to buy the OS), unless maybe on medium or lower settings.
Actually I'm not even sure if people have reported satisfactory places to purchase parts in Korea.
at the very least i think having a list of parts so he can have them as reference would be extremely helpful cus he doesnt know anything about putting a comp together
edit: oops didnt see his responseLast edit: 2012-01-23 14:27:13 |
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| Myrmidon United States. January 23 2012 14:31. Posts 8554 | Profile Blog # |
Core i5-2400 (or i5-2500, i5-2320, i5-2310, i5-2300)
Any socket LGA 1155 motherboard -- NOT socket 1156
Any 4GB DDR3 RAM or more -- NOT DDR2
Any SATA hard drive, preferably a 7200 rpm model -- NOT IDE; SATA2 or SATA3 is irrelevant
Any graphics card roughly HD 6570 or better -- see here for rough idea
Any SATA optical drive
Case
Power supply -- must be ATX form factor for typical cases
Windows
Scroll back in this thread for examples of builds, except you don't need a graphics card as good just to play on low or medium.
Like I said, I don't know what online even ships to Korea. Sorry. |
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| MisterFred United States. January 23 2012 14:56. Posts 1846 | Profile # |
random google search brought me this:
http://www.travelwireasia.com/1539/destination-techno-mart-buying-a-computer-in-seoul/
The blog is a few years old, but from what it sounds, it appears that if you bring a translator to techno mart or Yongsan and adhere to the parts list above, an engineer will build a computer for you on the spot (useful if you don't know how to build one yourself).
As long as you make sure you get one of the 5 processors identified by Myrmidon above (and NOT, say, an i5-xxx with a 3-digit number), you should be able to pretty much pick the cheapest options for motherboard, graphics card that meets the above standard, case, hard drive of sufficient size and 7200 rpm... essentially the cheapest of everything but processor and probably power supply. A non-overclocked i5-2xxx with a run of the mill instead of hot-rod graphics card shouldn't need any special cooling setup, a normal case should do. Review the last 5-10 pages and you should be able to compile a list of decent power supply brands, I suppose.
Note that I have no actual knowledge of buying anything in South Korea (at least, not from the last 2 decades), so this is a guess to use as best you can. If try the method above, you should probably also remember to make a special request to have windows 7 installed with english... er... spanish... as the native language.
Edit: For additional graphics card consideration, use the card hierarchy in the list above and note that a 6770 should be able to do high and I think ultra graphics for SC2, so that definitely should be the top end of the range if you're running up against the budget. Since the stores you might shop at if you don't order on line will have lists of available parts (probably with gaps), you should bring multiple accepted options with you in your notes.Last edit: 2012-01-23 15:02:54 |
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| MajOr Mexico. January 23 2012 15:00. Posts 229 | Profile Blog # |
On January 23 2012 14:56 MisterFred wrote:random google search brought me this: http://www.travelwireasia.com/1539/destination-techno-mart-buying-a-computer-in-seoul/The blog is a few years old, but from what it sounds, it appears that if you bring a translator to techno mart or Yongsan and adhere to the list above, an engineer will build a computer for you on the spot (useful if you don't know how to build one yourself). As long as you make sure you get one of the 5 processors identified by Myrmidon above (and NOT, say, an i5-xxx with a 3-digit number), you should be able to pretty much pick the cheapest options for motherboard, graphics card, case, hard drive of sufficient size and 7200 rpm... essentially the cheapest of everything but processor and probably power supply. Review the last 5-10 pages and you should be able to compile a list of decent power supply brands, I suppose. Note that I have no actual knowledge of buying anything in South Korea (at least, not from the last 2 decades), so this is a guess to use as best you can. If try the method above, you should probably also remember to make a special request to have windows 7 installed with english... er... spanish... as the native language.
im really really bad with computers like GARBAGe im just gonna go with artosis to techno mart to buy everything it would help alot if someone could help me with exactly what i ahve to put like EXActly so artosis just translates for me T.T please please |
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| Boblhead United States. January 23 2012 15:08. Posts 2561 | Profile # |
On January 23 2012 15:00 GosI[Terran] wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:56 MisterFred wrote:random google search brought me this: http://www.travelwireasia.com/1539/destination-techno-mart-buying-a-computer-in-seoul/The blog is a few years old, but from what it sounds, it appears that if you bring a translator to techno mart or Yongsan and adhere to the list above, an engineer will build a computer for you on the spot (useful if you don't know how to build one yourself). As long as you make sure you get one of the 5 processors identified by Myrmidon above (and NOT, say, an i5-xxx with a 3-digit number), you should be able to pretty much pick the cheapest options for motherboard, graphics card, case, hard drive of sufficient size and 7200 rpm... essentially the cheapest of everything but processor and probably power supply. Review the last 5-10 pages and you should be able to compile a list of decent power supply brands, I suppose. Note that I have no actual knowledge of buying anything in South Korea (at least, not from the last 2 decades), so this is a guess to use as best you can. If try the method above, you should probably also remember to make a special request to have windows 7 installed with english... er... spanish... as the native language.
im really really bad with computers like GARBAGe im just gonna go with artosis to techno mart to buy everything it would help alot if someone could help me with exactly what i ahve to put like EXActly so artosis just translates for me T.T please please
I would even go as far as saying you could probably buy a prebuilt like the ones you see @ a best buy or some other store. But a major company, HP, Sony, etc. As long as the processor is decent a 720p stream on any i5 2300 and up will be possible. You may not get the best ram or motherboard, but if your not overclocking I would say it would be easier. especially with the language barrier. So just tell artosis your looking for something with an i5 processor 2nd generation, plus a good thing about getting a prebuilt because they usually have 2-3 year part warranties and the only thing really lacking is the graphics card, So like Myr said you want to get at least an ATI 6570 or up.
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| MajOr Mexico. January 23 2012 15:11. Posts 229 | Profile Blog # |
On January 23 2012 15:08 Boblhead wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:00 GosI[Terran] wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:56 MisterFred wrote:random google search brought me this: http://www.travelwireasia.com/1539/destination-techno-mart-buying-a-computer-in-seoul/The blog is a few years old, but from what it sounds, it appears that if you bring a translator to techno mart or Yongsan and adhere to the list above, an engineer will build a computer for you on the spot (useful if you don't know how to build one yourself). As long as you make sure you get one of the 5 processors identified by Myrmidon above (and NOT, say, an i5-xxx with a 3-digit number), you should be able to pretty much pick the cheapest options for motherboard, graphics card, case, hard drive of sufficient size and 7200 rpm... essentially the cheapest of everything but processor and probably power supply. Review the last 5-10 pages and you should be able to compile a list of decent power supply brands, I suppose. Note that I have no actual knowledge of buying anything in South Korea (at least, not from the last 2 decades), so this is a guess to use as best you can. If try the method above, you should probably also remember to make a special request to have windows 7 installed with english... er... spanish... as the native language.
im really really bad with computers like GARBAGe im just gonna go with artosis to techno mart to buy everything it would help alot if someone could help me with exactly what i ahve to put like EXActly so artosis just translates for me T.T please please
I would even go as far as saying you could probably buy a prebuilt like the ones you see @ a best buy or some other store. But a major company, HP, Sony, etc. As long as the processor is decent a 720p stream on any i5 2300 and up will be possible. You may not get the best ram or motherboard, but if your not overclocking I would say it would be easier. especially with the language barrier. So just tell artosis your looking for something with an i5 processor 2nd generation, plus a good thing about getting a prebuilt because they usually have 2-3 year part warranties and the only thing really lacking is the graphics card, So like Myr said you want to get at least an ATI 6570 or up.
i appreciate ur words of kindness but i still dont undestearnd anyhthing u just said if u could give me literally a list of what i need to buy i would do that just a list of everything with name of what i have to buy T.T im so bad sorry;Last edit: 2012-01-23 15:13:09 |
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| skyR Canada. January 23 2012 15:14. Posts 11361 | Profile # |
| Uh prebuilts such as HP, etc definitely do not carry a three year warranty... |
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| StalinRusH United States. January 23 2012 15:15. Posts 733 | Profile Blog # |
I'm needing a new wireless router and network card that supports it. I would like to spend around 50$ each or under if possible but willing to go more if its truly worth it. I'm a big fan of newegg but idc if the deals better. Something n rated or more (mine is old as dirt).
If you need more info that i cant currently think of that you would need ill post the info. |
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