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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.  Josh_rakoons United Kingdom. February 22 2012 19:39. Posts 1157 | Profile # |
On February 22 2012 11:30 iKill[ShocK] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +560 ti 448 cores good buy at its price point?
edit: i do want to max out every game @ 1920x1080 because it pleases my e-peen.
On February 22 2012 19:00 skyR wrote:
Maxing out every game involves doing SLI / CrossfireX. And even than.. good luck.
So a Radeon 7970 cannot run BF3 on maxed at 1920x1080? That doesnt sound right o.oLast edit: 2012-02-22 19:41:37 |
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| JollYRoGeR Sweden. February 22 2012 23:25. Posts 292 | Profile Blog # |
Hiya, I need to buy a new laptop for work. I'm gonna use it at home for watching movies, listening to music and hopefully some starcraft 2. At work I only use light software.
At the moment I have a Lenovo T520 with a i7-2720QM 2,20GHz with 8gb ram and NVIDIA NVS 4200M. When I bought it I thought it was pretty good, but apparantly my sc2 lags in big fights and when facing zergs who creepspread(they all do..). And I haven't played in a few months because of it.
What computer should I buy? I'd prefer if I could connect it to external screens and stuff through a docking station.
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| Rollin Australia. February 22 2012 23:37. Posts 1202 | Profile # |
On February 22 2012 19:39 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:30 iKill[ShocK] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +560 ti 448 cores good buy at its price point?
edit: i do want to max out every game @ 1920x1080 because it pleases my e-peen.
Show nested quote +Maxing out every game involves doing SLI / CrossfireX. And even than.. good luck.
So a Radeon 7970 cannot run BF3 on maxed at 1920x1080? That doesnt sound right o.o
A radeon 7970 CAN max bf3 on ultra with msaa at 1080p at over 60 fps avg easily. But if you spend 500+ on the gpu alone, you would generally expect better than a shitty single 1080p monitor, more like 3x 1080 monitors or a 1600p one. Still, bf3 isn't even the most demanding game on the market atm, try supersampling (is that what it's called?) on The Witcher 2, and that will probably be below 60 avg on a 7970.
Skyr's suggestion was a generalisation, if you want a really really strong setup, then crossfire/sli is the way to go, and some current games will need it to be maxed.
EDIT: Oh now I see why you said at 1080p, I could only see skyr's statement, not shock's. My statement about the witcher still stands. Still most people are retarded and <75% of the semi nerdy people in my engineering course at uni I raise the issue with have no problems playing fps's at 30fps rofl, so shock could roll a 6870 or something without his epeen being affected...Last edit: 2012-02-22 23:42:11 |
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| Medrea February 23 2012 02:04. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
True maxing out involves a lot of multisampling and anisotropic filtering. After awhile they start to give less and less visual impact while costing more and more overhead.
Teamliquid considers running a game maxed out to be running a game before these go overboard. So when we say "yeah a 6870 can run that at max" we are talking about textures, most shadows, 60 FPS, and so forth.Last edit: 2012-02-23 02:07:46 |
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| skyR Canada. February 23 2012 03:37. Posts 11354 | Profile # |
| 7970 can't max out every game at 1080p. True story. Unless you enjoy dipping to single digit FPS in Witcher 2 and Metro 2033. Even in Starcraft II, you'll dip to single digits if you try hard enough. |
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| BlackJack United States. February 23 2012 03:42. Posts 6691 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2012 10:57 skyR wrote:
What do you mean by compatible.. all you do is plug it in and it'll work. If you want USB3 transfer speeds than you need to buy a USB3 add-on card.
Oh. I've read that some computers are too old to work properly with a USB add-on card so that you never reach 3.0 speeds. I guess this is a rather easy upgrade, even though I've never even opened a computer case before I should probably be able to figure it out. |
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| skyR Canada. February 23 2012 04:01. Posts 11354 | Profile # |
| Yes that would be true if you're going to be using it with a computer from five years ago with a PCI-E 1.0 x1 slot. |
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| TheFrenchman Canada. February 23 2012 04:13. Posts 10 | Profile # |
Hi TL!
I'm currently building up my new computer but I can't choose my motherboard since there's too many options. I would like to have something around 150$, for an i5-2500k, a asus or gigabyte gtx 560 ti, 8gb of ram, ssd for os.
I don't want to pay for an overkill motherboard since I plan to do some mild overcloaking ( The 2500k was cheaper than the 2500, that's why I grabbed this one). I don't play to SLI so it's not really important.
Another thing is that they don't really have any P67 motherboards so I'm kinda forced to stick with Z68
I prefer to buy in a shop near me, because I don't have a credit card yet and I need the computer for next week-end, so I don't want to pay for extra sphipping.
So, my possible options would be :
Asus P8Z68-V LE 139,99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=040679
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 134,99 after MIR
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=041471
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 154,99 after MIR
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=039519
EVGA Z68 SLI 166,99 after MIR
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=041096
I know the evga is SLI and I said I didn't plan to SLI but anyway... looked at some review and they were positive about it.
So thanks TL and sorry for the mistakes, english ain't my native language!
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| skyR Canada. February 23 2012 04:23. Posts 11354 | Profile # | |
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| Wabbit United States. February 23 2012 04:26. Posts 1011 | Profile # |
@TheFrenchman
FYI, only the P8Z68-V LE can't do SLI, all the others can.
I'd go for the ASUS if you want front-panel USB3 connection for your case. The ASRock has e-SATA instead and is probably a better overclocker, but you don't care about high overclocking anyway. I don't think there are any particular issues plaguing either of these two boards as far as I know.
No need for the latter 2.
EDIT: Or the cheaper options as skyR suggested.Last edit: 2012-02-23 04:27:05 |
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| TheFrenchman Canada. February 23 2012 04:41. Posts 10 | Profile # |
Thanks guys for the reply!
@skyR, the location is Laval
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| oMgPonies Canada. February 23 2012 05:12. Posts 29 | Profile # |
What is your budget?
$1000 - $1500 Canadian
What is your resolution?
I already have a 1920x1080 monitor (also have a mouse and keyboard
What are you using it for?
Gaming and personal computer, but gaming will be the most taxing
What is your upgrade cycle?
Cycle will be slightly longer. 2+ years at least
When do you plan on building it?
TOMORROW 
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know enough about it, and will likely never do it
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes. I have Windows 7 now and will be getting it again barring any crazy updates
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't think i need them for my gaming needs. so no
Where are you buying your parts from?
Toronto, TigerDirect and CanadaComputing Parts
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| skyR Canada. February 23 2012 05:16. Posts 11354 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 05:12 oMgPonies wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
$1000 - $1500 Canadian
What is your resolution?
I already have a 1920x1080 monitor (also have a mouse and keyboard
What are you using it for?
Gaming and personal computer, but gaming will be the most taxing
What is your upgrade cycle?
Cycle will be slightly longer. 2+ years at least
When do you plan on building it?
I will not be building this computer until at least next year, but I expect that i can buy some pieces such as the case, any cooling device etc and keep them on hand.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know enough about it, and will likely never do it
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes. I have Windows 7 now and will be getting it again barring any crazy updates
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't think i need them for my gaming needs. so no
Where are you buying your parts from?
Toronto, TigerDirect and CanadaComputing Parts
Why even ask for advice now if you aren't building until next year... Prices change, budget change, and new components are released so it's pretty pointless to plan a year in advance. |
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| oMgPonies Canada. February 23 2012 05:21. Posts 29 | Profile # |
Edited
But really, if i get a build now, i can research the parts, and make adjustments at a later date if upgrades are out.
I've never built one before, I'm looking for a starting point. |
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| Caseyclysm United States. February 23 2012 05:35. Posts 104 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 05:21 oMgPonies wrote:
Edited
But really, if i get a build now, i can research the parts, and make adjustments at a later date if upgrades are out.
I've never built one before, I'm looking for a starting point.
adjustments is an understatement. basically, you'll need to use completely different parts. |
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| skyR Canada. February 23 2012 05:44. Posts 11354 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 05:21 oMgPonies wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Edited
But really, if i get a build now, i can research the parts, and make adjustments at a later date if upgrades are out.
I've never built one before, I'm looking for a starting point.
If this is your first time building than you don't actually have the experience to make adjustments at a later date since you don't know pricing of components and the components would basically be brand new to you.
Since you aren't overclocking, the only thing you can really decide on is which case you will be getting. Your budget is pretty gigantic for someone who isn't overclocking, doesn't need a monitor, and already have Windows 7. So the nicer cases would be the Fractal Design Define R3, Antec P280, and Corsair 550D (not released yet). The former two are around $110 while the latter is around $160.
You can do research on the power supply but it's practically impossible to narrow it down to just a few options (unless you want the really expensive fully modular units or 80PLUS Plat units) since there are dozens of good units and pricing changes weekly. Antec Neo Eco, Antec Truepower New, Antec Earthwatts, Antec High Current Gamer, XFX Core Edition, Seasonic S12II, Seasonic M12II, PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III, OCZ ZS, OCZ ZX, and so on. Not to mention Antec is refreshing the Earthwatts series, Coolermaster is releasing Silent Pro M2, and Seasonic is releasing a new G series soon.
Next year, there will be Haswell and a full lineup of GCN and Kepler. So researching about the current Sandybridge, Ivybridge (not released yet) and compatible LGA1155 motherboards is pretty pointless since Haswell will be using brand new LGA1150 motherboards. You can't research Kepler yet and researching current two year old Fermi cards is pointless. Some of GCN is released but pricing will definitely change by next year. |
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| FabledIntegral United States. February 23 2012 06:08. Posts 8399 | Profile Blog # |
On February 23 2012 05:21 oMgPonies wrote:
Edited
But really, if i get a build now, i can research the parts, and make adjustments at a later date if upgrades are out.
I've never built one before, I'm looking for a starting point.
You'll just waste your time, none of the parts will be relevant at all by next year. |
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| Shauni February 23 2012 06:34. Posts 3837 | Profile Blog # |
| is it important to get a chassis with the psu in top if you're buying a passive psu? I can't find much info on the net about this... |
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| Medrea February 23 2012 08:41. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 05:21 oMgPonies wrote:
Edited
But really, if i get a build now, i can research the parts, and make adjustments at a later date if upgrades are out.
I've never built one before, I'm looking for a starting point.
If you are learning by observation then I invite you to subscribe/follow this thread since we talk about a lot of computer stuff. Then you can get educated enough to build your own computer, pricing and everything.Last edit: 2012-02-23 08:44:26 |
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| Myrmidon United States. February 23 2012 08:52. Posts 8553 | Profile Blog # |
On February 23 2012 06:34 Shauni wrote:
is it important to get a chassis with the psu in top if you're buying a passive psu? I can't find much info on the net about this...
Seems like top-mounted with no venting on top would be worse for the power supply, bottom-mounted would be worse for the video card, and top-mounted with venting on top would be ideal. If it's mounted at the bottom, you will have some heat rising into your video card area. Granted, intensive usage of 200W from the wall at 90% efficiency means no more than 20W heat output anyway. This is just my uninformed opinion.
So options with top-mounted power supply with venting on top include Antec Solo II, Antec NSK3480, Silverstone TJ08-E, Silverstone PS07 I think. I don't know of others from memory.Last edit: 2012-02-23 08:52:49 |
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