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| zhurai United States. December 09 2010 18:45. Posts 5561 | Profile Blog # |
On December 08 2010 19:10 BasilPesto wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 04:47 acker wrote:
On another note, Visa just suspended operations with Wikileaks.
Ironically, it's entirely possible to use Visa and Mastercard to donate to the KKK and its branch parties.
Really? How ridiculous.
Yes it's true.
Visa AND Mastercard were both outlined (apparently) in the embassy cables for doing some *pretty bad things* or so, thus they cut off operations with WikiLeaks as well
And...of course that lead to them getting DDoS'ed by 4chan/Anonymous/whatever's Operation Payback/whatever the fuking name of the operation was. |
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| VIB Brazil. December 11 2010 10:28. Posts 3567 | Profile Blog # |
Something interesting new today from the wikileaks' cables:
"U.S. drugmaker Pfizer hired investigators to find evidence of corruption against Nigeria's attorney general to convince him to drop legal action against the company over a drug trial involving children
Nigeria's Kano state sued the world's largest drugmaker in May 2007 for $2 billion over testing of the meningitis drug Trovan. State authorities said the tests killed 11 children and left dozens disabled.
Pfizer and Kano's state government signed a $75 million settlement on July 30."
- http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B93DF20101210 |
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| NotGood- United States. December 11 2010 10:40. Posts 121 | Profile # |
On December 11 2010 10:28 VIB wrote:Something interesting new today from the wikileaks' cables: "U.S. drugmaker Pfizer hired investigators to find evidence of corruption against Nigeria's attorney general to convince him to drop legal action against the company over a drug trial involving children Nigeria's Kano state sued the world's largest drugmaker in May 2007 for $2 billion over testing of the meningitis drug Trovan. State authorities said the tests killed 11 children and left dozens disabled. Pfizer and Kano's state government signed a $75 million settlement on July 30." - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B93DF20101210
Jesus did they not test the drugs before giving them to the children? |
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| Ooshmagoosh United States. December 11 2010 10:47. Posts 415 | Profile # |
On December 11 2010 10:40 NotGood- wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:28 VIB wrote:Something interesting new today from the wikileaks' cables: "U.S. drugmaker Pfizer hired investigators to find evidence of corruption against Nigeria's attorney general to convince him to drop legal action against the company over a drug trial involving children Nigeria's Kano state sued the world's largest drugmaker in May 2007 for $2 billion over testing of the meningitis drug Trovan. State authorities said the tests killed 11 children and left dozens disabled. Pfizer and Kano's state government signed a $75 million settlement on July 30." - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B93DF20101210
Jesus did they not test the drugs before giving them to the children?
I read an article about corruption in the FDA a long time ago, where scientists that tested new drugs were being pressured by the higher-ups into not disclosing certain facts in their reports...
Sorry, I don't remember WHERE I read this article, and I don't really have a link...yeah, I know that sounds pretty obnoxious to make a huge claim and then not support it, but...ugh |
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| VIB Brazil. December 11 2010 10:49. Posts 3567 | Profile Blog # |
On December 11 2010 10:40 NotGood- wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:28 VIB wrote:Something interesting new today from the wikileaks' cables: "U.S. drugmaker Pfizer hired investigators to find evidence of corruption against Nigeria's attorney general to convince him to drop legal action against the company over a drug trial involving children Nigeria's Kano state sued the world's largest drugmaker in May 2007 for $2 billion over testing of the meningitis drug Trovan. State authorities said the tests killed 11 children and left dozens disabled. Pfizer and Kano's state government signed a $75 million settlement on July 30." - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B93DF20101210
Jesus did they not test the drugs before giving them to the children?
I probably shouldn't be joking, but it's better than crying, right? >< |
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| Railxp Hong Kong. December 11 2010 11:03. Posts 1309 | Profile Blog # |
| that shit sounds like its straight out of an anime or sci-fi action thriller. Ghost in the Shell SAC shit right there. |
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| Krigwin December 11 2010 12:05. Posts 1130 | Profile Blog # |
I can't find any major media outlet reporting on this yet, but there's another interesting cable that's starting to get some news. I'll try to summarize it:
The story of Khalid El-Masri is fairly well-known. He was a German civilian with an unfortunate name (Khalid Al-Masri is an Al Qaeda agent with ties to the 9/11 attack) who was vacationing in Macedonia when he was kidnapped by CIA agents, who rendition'd his ass over to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he was held for roughly 6 months.
During his capture and imprisonment, he was repeatedly beaten, drugged, "interrogated", and even at one point sodomized. He was also subject to some kind of bizarre starvation regimen. This has all been verified through both official and independent investigation. Over weeks of interrogation and verifying this man's identity, eventually the CIA officials at the "salt pit", the secret prison where he was being held, realized he actually was innocent and who he said he was, but they decided not to release him anyways because he knew too much. He was finally released after a direct order from Condoleeza Rice.
Germany declined to take any kind of action against the US for this torture and extraordinary rendition of their own citizen, and all calls to judicial review in the US has been quashed. Arrest warrants for the CIA agents involved were eventually issued by the Audencia Nacional of Spain. All of that is history. But what is new is that, according to this cable, directed to Rice, Germany's lack of action stemmed from a meeting held between the German deputy national security advisor, Rolf Nikel, and a US diplomat, who urged "that the German Government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S." Well, one need only apply a bit of imagination from there.
Info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-elmasri3mar03,0,3766980.story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476_pf.html
And the cable:
http://213.251.145.96/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html |
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| Offhand United States. December 13 2010 05:52. Posts 1724 | Profile # | |
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| KlaCkoN Sweden. December 13 2010 06:01. Posts 1131 | Profile Blog # |
On December 11 2010 12:05 Krigwin wrote:I can't find any major media outlet reporting on this yet, but there's another interesting cable that's starting to get some news. I'll try to summarize it: The story of Khalid El-Masri is fairly well-known. He was a German civilian with an unfortunate name (Khalid Al-Masri is an Al Qaeda agent with ties to the 9/11 attack) who was vacationing in Macedonia when he was kidnapped by CIA agents, who rendition'd his ass over to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he was held for roughly 6 months. During his capture and imprisonment, he was repeatedly beaten, drugged, "interrogated", and even at one point sodomized. He was also subject to some kind of bizarre starvation regimen. This has all been verified through both official and independent investigation. Over weeks of interrogation and verifying this man's identity, eventually the CIA officials at the "salt pit", the secret prison where he was being held, realized he actually was innocent and who he said he was, but they decided not to release him anyways because he knew too much. He was finally released after a direct order from Condoleeza Rice. Germany declined to take any kind of action against the US for this torture and extraordinary rendition of their own citizen, and all calls to judicial review in the US has been quashed. Arrest warrants for the CIA agents involved were eventually issued by the Audencia Nacional of Spain. All of that is history. But what is new is that, according to this cable, directed to Rice, Germany's lack of action stemmed from a meeting held between the German deputy national security advisor, Rolf Nikel, and a US diplomat, who urged "that the German Government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S." Well, one need only apply a bit of imagination from there. Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masrihttp://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-elmasri3mar03,0,3766980.storyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476_pf.htmlAnd the cable: http://213.251.145.96/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
Torturing random civilians in prison camps for months, Stalin would have been proud.
That seriously sounds like that lead in to one of those cliche action movies about a lone hunter looking for vengence. Only that in real life the bad guys always win >.<. |
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| Offhand United States. December 13 2010 06:07. Posts 1724 | Profile # |
On December 13 2010 06:01 KlaCkoN wrote:
That seriously sounds like that lead in to one of those cliche action movies about a lone hunter looking for vengence.
I think between the US government clampdown on freedom of speech, while simultaneously announcing that it will host World Press Freedom Day. Corporations are more or less entirely in control of governmental operations. And the only people doing anything about it are internet hackers.
We literally are in a Shadowrun campaign. |
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| Krigwin December 13 2010 06:13. Posts 1130 | Profile Blog # |
On December 13 2010 06:01 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:05 Krigwin wrote:I can't find any major media outlet reporting on this yet, but there's another interesting cable that's starting to get some news. I'll try to summarize it: The story of Khalid El-Masri is fairly well-known. He was a German civilian with an unfortunate name (Khalid Al-Masri is an Al Qaeda agent with ties to the 9/11 attack) who was vacationing in Macedonia when he was kidnapped by CIA agents, who rendition'd his ass over to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he was held for roughly 6 months. During his capture and imprisonment, he was repeatedly beaten, drugged, "interrogated", and even at one point sodomized. He was also subject to some kind of bizarre starvation regimen. This has all been verified through both official and independent investigation. Over weeks of interrogation and verifying this man's identity, eventually the CIA officials at the "salt pit", the secret prison where he was being held, realized he actually was innocent and who he said he was, but they decided not to release him anyways because he knew too much. He was finally released after a direct order from Condoleeza Rice. Germany declined to take any kind of action against the US for this torture and extraordinary rendition of their own citizen, and all calls to judicial review in the US has been quashed. Arrest warrants for the CIA agents involved were eventually issued by the Audencia Nacional of Spain. All of that is history. But what is new is that, according to this cable, directed to Rice, Germany's lack of action stemmed from a meeting held between the German deputy national security advisor, Rolf Nikel, and a US diplomat, who urged "that the German Government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S." Well, one need only apply a bit of imagination from there. Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masrihttp://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-elmasri3mar03,0,3766980.storyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476_pf.htmlAnd the cable: http://213.251.145.96/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html
What the fuck? What the fuck? Torturing random civilians in prison camps for months, Stalin would have been proud. That seriously sounds like that lead in to one of those cliche action movies about a lone hunter looking for vengence. Only that in real life the bad guys always win >.<.
To be fair, he wasn't random, he had an incredibly unfortunate name. Kidnapping, imprisoning, and torturing a guy for 6 months because you mixed up his name, hey, that's a mistake that can happen to anyone!
+ Show Spoiler +No but really if I was German I would be incredibly pissed off. |
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| wherebugsgo United States. December 13 2010 06:40. Posts 7938 | Profile Blog # |
On December 09 2010 18:41 LaLLsc2 wrote:Does anyone know why the only person wikileaks is following is http://twitter.com/tweetbackup ? This is interesting to me...
Tweet backup does what it says. Clearly wikileaks has taken the precautions necessary to maintain its twitter records because you can export backups from tweetbackup to your hard drive. Helpful in case twitter closes their account, no? |
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| Sabu113 United States. December 13 2010 06:45. Posts 6253 | Profile Blog # |
On December 11 2010 11:03 Railxp wrote:
that shit sounds like its straight out of an anime or sci-fi action thriller. Ghost in the Shell SAC shit right there.
Which is why there is likely more to the story than what you're reading. It's just as plausible that Nigeria wants some sort of cut for lettin Pfizer into the market or somehing else as Pfizer is made up of evil corporate beasts.
There is some ill thought out bandwagon America hate going on. VIB being a case in point. Last edit: 2010-12-13 06:51:40 |
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| VIB Brazil. December 13 2010 07:06. Posts 3567 | Profile Blog # |
On December 13 2010 06:45 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 11:03 Railxp wrote:
that shit sounds like its straight out of an anime or sci-fi action thriller. Ghost in the Shell SAC shit right there.
Which is why there is likely more to the story than what you're reading. It's just as plausible that Nigeria wants some sort of cut for lettin Pfizer into the market or somehing else as Pfizer is made up of evil corporate beasts. There is some ill thought out bandwagon America hate going on. VIB being a case in point.
Because the pentagon have confirmed the leaks are true diplomatic cables and you could download it yourself to check what it's written on it. So you can actually choose in which way you are wrong. |
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| Sabu113 United States. December 13 2010 07:37. Posts 6253 | Profile Blog # |
No. What I am saying is that you're extrapolating quite a bit from limited information.
You want to find something to bash the US with. From your previous posts, it seems as if you have a lovely caricature of the US government. |
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| Railxp Hong Kong. December 13 2010 07:49. Posts 1309 | Profile Blog # |
| its also possible that pfizer's drug is perfectly A OK but just because of some misguided FDA guideline they cant use it in USA, so they have to go through all the nigerian jazz just to bring it to the US. |
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| VIB Brazil. December 13 2010 08:45. Posts 3567 | Profile Blog # |
On December 13 2010 07:37 Sabu113 wrote:
No. What I am saying is that you're extrapolating quite a bit from limited information.
You want to find something to bash the US with. From your previous posts, it seems as if you have a lovely caricature of the US government.
I still don't get it. I mentioned Pfizer bribed the Nigerian government officials to stop a suit for killing children then and you accused me of bashing the US government.
So help me understand. Do you think Pfizer is part of the US government or do you think the Nigerian government is part of the US government? |
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 bkrow Australia. December 13 2010 08:57. Posts 8386 | Profile Blog # |
On December 09 2010 18:45 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 19:10 BasilPesto wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:47 acker wrote:
On another note, Visa just suspended operations with Wikileaks.
Ironically, it's entirely possible to use Visa and Mastercard to donate to the KKK and its branch parties.
Really? How ridiculous.
Yes it's true. Visa AND Mastercard were both outlined (apparently) in the embassy cables for doing some *pretty bad things* or so, thus they cut off operations with WikiLeaks as well And...of course that lead to them getting DDoS'ed by 4chan/Anonymous/whatever's Operation Payback/whatever the fuking name of the operation was.
Supporters of Wikileaks brought down paypal, Visa and Mastercard during last week by flooding there servers with millions of requests.. I thought it was pretty awesome  |
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| eaT_Mi_Lquid Germany. December 13 2010 09:09. Posts 470 | Profile Blog # |
Amazon prohibited Wikileaks to run their website on their servers.
And today, Amazon.de, Amazon.uk were brought offline too O.o !!
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| Sabu113 United States. December 13 2010 09:12. Posts 6253 | Profile Blog # |
Throughout this thread you've had an anti-American bias in your posts. I would cite either your arguments about the Afghan war or your bullheadedness about Guantanamo detainees. It takes an ideologue to remove all the gray from those examples.
Now referring specifically to that post, you're implying that an evil American corporation is murdering Africans. The situation is much too murky to make that claim based off of one sole source.
Also stop obfuscating. |
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