| nMn United States. August 05 2010 19:25. Posts 144 | Profile # |
| How far of a teleport are we talking? Lightyears? I guess it doesn't really matter. I would probably do it eventually just to see if I would retain my consciousness of myself. It would really further research of the human brain. |
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 .risingdragoon United States. August 05 2010 19:29. Posts 3021 | Profile # |
Why ever disintegrate the original you? Just scan yourself and create a double far away. If the 2 were to meet later we'll figure out how to "merge" the two.
Anyway this is a pretty nerdy topic. |
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| Thratur Canada. August 05 2010 19:39. Posts 908 | Profile Blog # |
I've thought about this and then I realized that what makes your consciousness is only your short term memory.
So I die every time I go to sleep, faint or get drugged before an operation.
I would do it no problem just like I go to sleep every night knowing my consciousness will vanish once again. |
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| georgir Bulgaria. August 05 2010 19:39. Posts 237 | Profile # |
I'd use it no problem. I don't believe in a "mind" at all, except as a function of the body, but the new body will be identical to the old one, so it will work the same way and definitely be "me".
I'd even want to make a couple copies of myself instead of just one... I won't care for trivial stuff like who is the "real" me - both will be.
If it could destroy and recreate you, why wouldn't it theoretically be able to just make copies without destroying the original? Duplicating people, money, everything.... imagine the world with such tech. Though if it is using some quantum teleportation effect, destroying the original might be a necessity in order to measure its properties and be able to recreate them on the other end.
Hey, one more tought - who's to say that the universe doesn't get destroyed and recreated in a new state every instant? You might be dieing and being re-created an infinite amount of times already and you don't even realize it 
Now more seriously - if there are no observable differences between the original and copy, then by Occam's razor there are no differences at all. They are the same thing. |
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| hefty Denmark. August 05 2010 19:51. Posts 489 | Profile # |
On August 05 2010 18:52 Coagulation wrote:
so basically if you did this you would die.. regardless of the "cloned" you that comes out the other side.. you would cease to exist.
By which definition? What 'you' cease to exist?
OP states that both mind and body is copied. In that case I would argue that you have just been reassembled elsewhere.
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| Navane Netherlands. August 05 2010 19:57. Posts 2405 | Profile Blog # |
| The important question is: if you would die anyway because the earth would cease to exist, would you let yourself teleport out, even if it means you will be forced to have sex with yourself? (the machine will make like 5 copies of you which will have to participate in an orgy with each other) Would you? |
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| SCC-Faust United States. August 05 2010 19:57. Posts 2337 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2010 19:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
...okay, are you asking whether i would let myself die just so a copy of me whose conciousness i don't share can go somewhere else real quick?
fuck no, i'll take the bus.
if my conciousness is transferred through and i just feel like i teleported, then fuck yeah! atoms is just atoms.
This is exactly my thoughts on it.
I was like.. if I die... why would it matter if a copy of me existed? |
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| BrogMaN United States. August 05 2010 19:58. Posts 108 | Profile # |
On August 05 2010 18:54 Uriel_SVK wrote:
First I would do it without destruction, and I would ask me if I am still me, or I am not me. If I am still me than i would kill me so there is only one me.
But if there would be two me... this leads me to an interesting question... if i would have sex with my other me, would it be gay sex or masturbation?
LOL. If you go through the back door then ya, it's homosexual because even if it's with yourself it still means you like taking it in the butt from a dude.
On the other hand(lol) if you just mutually masturbate yourselves(?) then I wouldn't call that gay because you're just pleasuring yourself. IDK man, it's a fine line. Especially if you go 69 on yourself. That may be pushing the limit.
Personally I wouldn't mind jacking myself off. I do it all the time anyway right? Some people may be too insecure with themselves though. |
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| foxmeep Australia. August 05 2010 19:59. Posts 1613 | Profile # |
On August 05 2010 19:58 BrogMaN wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 18:54 Uriel_SVK wrote:
First I would do it without destruction, and I would ask me if I am still me, or I am not me. If I am still me than i would kill me so there is only one me.
But if there would be two me... this leads me to an interesting question... if i would have sex with my other me, would it be gay sex or masturbation?
LOL. If you go through the back door then ya, it's homosexual because even if it's with yourself it still means you like taking it in the butt from a dude. On the other hand(lol) if you just mutually masturbate yourselves(?) then I wouldn't call that gay because you're just pleasuring yourself. IDK man, it's a fine line. Especially if you go 69 on yourself. That may be pushing the limit. Personally I wouldn't mind jacking myself off. I do it all the time anyway right? Some people may be too insecure with themselves though.
what the fuck. |
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| hellokitty[hk] United States. August 05 2010 20:00. Posts 591 | Profile # |
How much is your time worth, at a given time?
What if you were running late for school (lol, maybe not so much)? Work? A date?
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| endy China. August 05 2010 20:00. Posts 6108 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2010 19:57 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 19:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
...okay, are you asking whether i would let myself die just so a copy of me whose conciousness i don't share can go somewhere else real quick?
fuck no, i'll take the bus.
if my conciousness is transferred through and i just feel like i teleported, then fuck yeah! atoms is just atoms.
This is exactly my thoughts on it. I was like.. if I die... why would it matter if a copy of me existed?
Because it's like in the prestige, since it's an exact copy of yourself, with the exact state of mind, when you go out of the destination machine, you don't even realize you are a copy, so basically you didn't die. Because the copy doesn't feel he is a copy, he just stepped in the machine, teleported, and stepped out.
Imo, it's very similar to the quantum suicide. I don't know why it hasn't been mentionned yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
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| CharlieMurphy United States. August 05 2010 20:01. Posts 22893 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2010 19:59 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 19:58 BrogMaN wrote:
On August 05 2010 18:54 Uriel_SVK wrote:
First I would do it without destruction, and I would ask me if I am still me, or I am not me. If I am still me than i would kill me so there is only one me.
But if there would be two me... this leads me to an interesting question... if i would have sex with my other me, would it be gay sex or masturbation?
LOL. If you go through the back door then ya, it's homosexual because even if it's with yourself it still means you like taking it in the butt from a dude. On the other hand(lol) if you just mutually masturbate yourselves(?) then I wouldn't call that gay because you're just pleasuring yourself. IDK man, it's a fine line. Especially if you go 69 on yourself. That may be pushing the limit. Personally I wouldn't mind jacking myself off. I do it all the time anyway right? Some people may be too insecure with themselves though.
what the fuck.
hahahahaha
These kind of teleporters are always the ones in SCI FI that have the problems. Like 'The Fly' or like in star trek where people get trapped in some unknown place and have X amount of time before they dematerialize indefinitely.
I'd say no for daily use, unless it was 100% necessary to survive.Last edit: 2010-08-05 20:02:56 |
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 KwarK United Kingdom. August 05 2010 20:01. Posts 20490 | Profile Blog # |
| The particular atoms that make up your body change all the time. Cells die and are replaced constantly, the person you are changes and yet the consciousness still appears to exist in a constant stream. This would be no different, all the atoms that make up your body would be different and all the ones that had previously been in your body would have been destroyed but there's still a you who remembers going into the machine and now finds himself walking out. Still not sure if I'd use it though, simply because the human instinct for self preservation might take over. I'm not sure if on a subconscious level I'd accept that I don't really die in any meaningful sense. |
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| BluzMan Russian Federation. August 05 2010 20:03. Posts 3582 | Profile Blog # |
| The fun thing with this is that it's impossible to find out whether the person actually dies. |
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| CharlieMurphy United States. August 05 2010 20:07. Posts 22893 | Profile Blog # | |
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| BrogMaN United States. August 05 2010 20:08. Posts 108 | Profile # |
On August 05 2010 19:57 Navane wrote:
The important question is: if you would die anyway because the earth would cease to exist, would you let yourself teleport out, even if it means you will be forced to have sex with yourself? (the machine will make like 5 copies of you which will have to participate in an orgy with each other) Would you?
Hmm... that's a bit tougher. I'm going to have to say yes. Although I'm not too keen on myself getting penetrated...by myself, it's far more important for me to carry out my biological purpose of perpetuating my genes than to throw away that opportunity just because of a few minutes of discomfort/pain. At least it'll be me doing the penetrating, so I'd know I'd go gentle hahaha. Also, if I get 5 copies of myself then that's even more chances to pass on my genes so it'd would be totally worth it in the end.
Thinking about all this stuff is hilarious! hahaha oh man. |
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| KurtistheTurtle United States. August 05 2010 20:11. Posts 1786 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2010 19:39 Thratur wrote:
I've thought about this and then I realized that what makes your consciousness is only your short term memory.
So I die every time I go to sleep, faint or get drugged before an operation.
I would do it no problem just like I go to sleep every night knowing my consciousness will vanish once again.
your subconscious is a huge, huge statistical engine which takes all the data you receive, figures out whats important and makes decisions in your best interest for you. it's shaped by your experiences, training, reading, schooling, everything you do.
what makes part of your consciousness is your short-term memory
@op: no. I wouldn't do this. I kind of see it as the same as suicide |
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| BrogMaN United States. August 05 2010 20:12. Posts 108 | Profile # |
On August 05 2010 20:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 19:59 foxmeep wrote:
On August 05 2010 19:58 BrogMaN wrote:
On August 05 2010 18:54 Uriel_SVK wrote:
First I would do it without destruction, and I would ask me if I am still me, or I am not me. If I am still me than i would kill me so there is only one me.
But if there would be two me... this leads me to an interesting question... if i would have sex with my other me, would it be gay sex or masturbation?
LOL. If you go through the back door then ya, it's homosexual because even if it's with yourself it still means you like taking it in the butt from a dude. On the other hand(lol) if you just mutually masturbate yourselves(?) then I wouldn't call that gay because you're just pleasuring yourself. IDK man, it's a fine line. Especially if you go 69 on yourself. That may be pushing the limit. Personally I wouldn't mind jacking myself off. I do it all the time anyway right? Some people may be too insecure with themselves though.
what the fuck.
hahahahaha
Thanks CharlieMurphy. I knew you would approve. |
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| sikyon Canada. August 05 2010 20:12. Posts 1045 | Profile # |
Can anyone define death? I wouldn't consider this dying. At every moment, my entire body from my skin to my brain is changing and growing. I could argue that the person I am right now is a different person from the person I was 2 seconds ago - he has died because he no longer and will never exist.
If you don't believe in an immortal soul, this machine should not trouble you at all because it is no different than what happens every day. If you do believe in an immortal soul, it still shouldn't trouble you because you should believe that your soul will follow your body. It would take a very specific kind of belief to disallow such a machine. |
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| Thratur Canada. August 05 2010 20:17. Posts 908 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2010 20:11 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 19:39 Thratur wrote:
I've thought about this and then I realized that what makes your consciousness is only your short term memory.
So I die every time I go to sleep, faint or get drugged before an operation.
I would do it no problem just like I go to sleep every night knowing my consciousness will vanish once again.
your subconscious is a huge, huge statistical engine which takes all the data you receive, figures out whats important and makes decisions in your best interest for you. it's shaped by your experiences, training, reading, schooling, everything you do. what makes part of your consciousness is your short-term memory @op: no. I wouldn't do this. I kind of see it as the same as suicide
You're right. Short-term memory wasn't the best word, but at least it was close to what I wanted to say. Same thing anyway. What I mean is that your consciousness comes from the actual state of your brain and the feeling of continuity from the past 5 minutes and nothing more.
However I would not include experience, training, reading etc in consciousness. They affect your decisions and personality, etc, but I define consciousness as the feeling of existence someone may have. It is not affected by his experience as it has no relevant characteristics.Last edit: 2010-08-05 20:23:20 |
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